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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:14 AM
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20 years and no mold, what are they putting in the food at McDonalds?
I met a lady the other other who works as a health consultant.
She has a 20 year old Big Mac in her office. The sandwich has No mold, it looks like a fresh burger.

I find that terrifying that McD's food and all processed foods do not MOLD every

It's like putting non-biodegradable food in your body.

I stopped eating McD's years ago.

Anyway I just had to post this, because it really freaked me out.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:16 AM
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1. I guess my first question is "Why does someone have a 20 yr old Big Mac in their office?"
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 01:18 AM by BrklynLiberal
I have not eaten in McD or Burger King in over 30 years. I would be very afraid to find out what they really use in their food.


I know that at one time one of those companies got into trouble because they were using animal fat to give extra flavor to their french fries. There were people who did not eat animal products, who made the stupid assumption that french fries would be vegetarian. I believe they sued.


And anyone who had seen "Super Size ME" and even walks into one of those stores is insane.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:20 AM
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2. she keeps it to scare the hell out of people so they will stay out of the fast food joints
I go this image of a dump in my body filled with non-biodegradable food
yuck yuck yuck
toxic

Of course it doesn't help that they are growing genatically altered "natural food"

I wish would we could get back to the old way of growing food, the natural way
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:21 AM
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3. She should contribute it to a museum or something so the public
can see it and realize how horrid it is..
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:13 PM
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86. I keep 20 year old carrots and zuchinis in office.
Several of my coworkers tell me they haven't eaten any vegetables since seeing this wretched sight. I guess I scared them straight.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:17 AM
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9. The beef fries are from McDonalds.
They pre-flavored the fries with beef so they could say they cooked in vegetable oil while keeping the flavor the same. It caused quite a stink at the time among Hindus and other vegetarians.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0520-02.htm
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:22 AM
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13. It was a terrible thing to do...totally deceptive.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:37 AM
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15. I can't even stand to go into a McDonald's now.
My wife jokes that I think there's beef in the coke and they pump beef into the air. I'm not quite that paranoid, but you certainly are inundated with a disgusting beefy aroma if you come anywhere within 100 feet of one of their buildings.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:28 PM
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90. I know...Just the smell wafting out of a McDonalds makes me sick.
I haven't set foot in one for years and years.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:13 AM
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25. They blanched them with lard. Nasty nasty!
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123infinity Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:38 AM
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45. It was deceptive but it wasn't dangerous.
I don't eat their food but that's because I just don't find it (or any other fast food) appetizing.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:45 PM
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64. Not dangerous...unless you have an allergy. But it was totally immoral,
especially for those who are either vegetarian by choice or do not eat beef/meat for religious reasons.
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123infinity Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:56 PM
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93. An allergy to meat? Forgive me for thinking that sounds like really stupid.
:eyes:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:53 PM
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78. I have to wonder what the heck a Hindu or vegetarian would be doing in a McD's at all
:shrug:

Full disclosure statement: In the early '80s I lived a block away from a Hare Krishna temple. When McD's had hamburgers on sale for five for a dollar, I would buy a couple bucks' worth and hand them out to Krishna kids.
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Mollis Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:05 AM
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18. lol
Well, when I watched "Supersize Me" it made me want french fries...but when I read "Fast Food Nation" I vowed to never ever eat fast food again. Too much details.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:15 AM
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26. See the movie. On HBO now. Great!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:02 AM
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33. Actually, what happened with the fries is
McDonald's switched from frying them in beef tallow to frying them in vegetable oil. One would normally assume that made them vegetarian. But no, McDonald's put BEEF FAT INSIDE the fry. Because food label laws in this country are useless, they didn't have to list it as a an ingredient, it simply said "natural flavor."
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ColoradoMagician Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:24 AM
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48. Well, it sure didn't help the taste
I remember when they switched to the vegi oil. It made their fries taste horrible. If they are doing the beef fat inside the fries, it doesn't help the taste at all. They are horrible tasting.

They couldn't even make it tasty while they were deceiving. What a bunch of schmucks.
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votetastic Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:33 AM
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36. Those were mostly Hindis - who are vegetarian for religious reasons
and it wasn't a "stupid assumption". McDonald's had intentionally misled customers, when in fact they were using beef flavoring (not animal fat). Obviously they wouldn't have won the case if it was a "stupid assumption", right?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:48 PM
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65. "stupid assumption" was meant as sarcastic. Most people would assume that FFs were vegetarian.
I worked with a Sikh who used to get the McD FF for lunch all the time. He was mortified when he found out about the meat aspect of them.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:25 AM
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4. ewwww....shouldn't somebody be analyzing this thing? ick...
I ate mickey d's yesterday...can't resist when I'm pms'ng...now I feel really sick. I know that stuff isn't good for you but now I've got visions of what is in my body!
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:15 AM
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7. i used to only do fries,
but even those are not like they used to be. switched to wendy's or culvers. mmm, french fries perfect for PMS.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:19 AM
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10. okay..you got me! I'm headed to culvers tomorrow...and then the
gym! LOL
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:32 AM
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42. MMmmm Culvers!
Culvers beats any other chain fast food all to hell, IMO. And McDonalds, cripes, their food has become almost tasteless. I won't go there anymore.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:45 AM
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56. its easy to make natural fries at home without a deep fryer


cut your potato into fries; put a little depth of oil in pan 1/4 inch?; mod. high heat; put in fries and turn them frequently until done and browned. season, eat.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:27 AM
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5. The bonus video part of Supersize Me had that with McD's fries.
Although, they were able to get all of the sandwiches from there to spoil, eventually.

But the fresh homemade burger from the mom & pop joint down the street started decomposing after about 3 days and was so horrendous a couple weeks later they had to dump it.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:55 PM
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80. IIRC, the McD fries stayed the same nt
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:09 AM
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6. this thread is making me want a hamburger and I'm a vegetarian
Imustbehungry
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:18 AM
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27. Morningstar Farms makes some great veggie burgers.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:50 PM
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66. They have a wonderful Portobello Mushrom burger!!!!
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:32 PM
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91. I like their Grillers Prime
and I'm an omnivore!
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:28 AM
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30. VfP, if you do get a hamburger, don't get it at McD's -
there are some fairly good burgers available from even fast food places, but MacDonalds is not one of those places.
I am a burger fan, but have not had a McDonalds burger in this millenium, and don't plan to have one.

mark
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:15 AM
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8. I invite you to test it at home & see what happens. I, for one, don't believe it.
I've seen (& smelt) the old fast-food my bother tosses on the floor of his truck.

No way does it "look just like a fresh burger" after 20 years.

Moisture loss & dessication, for starters.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:20 AM
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28. It LOOKS like a fresh burger, but it's PETRIFIED.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:28 AM
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31. a petrified burger doesn't look fresh.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:48 PM
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76. Not with lettuce and tomato- they wilt.
But a regular 89 cent McD's burger ( ketchup, mustard, pickle and onion only) when petrified does a damn good job of impersonating a fresh burger.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:56 PM
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82. Instead of a "Mama Burger"..it's a "Mummy-Burger"
anyone else remember A&W burgers? :evilgrin:
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:41 AM
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46. did it have mold on it?
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 09:42 AM by Heather MC
My kids tend to put food in umm strange places. I have found them months later, and when it's a fast food burger, I don't feed my kids fast food, my DH on the other hand does now and then.

anyway, I've found half eaten burger under the seat, and they are hard but no mold,
It never occurred to me it could last forever like that

It's like they pump the food with embalming fluid
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:44 PM
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73. Sorry but I don't believe you! Whoever told you this is off
their meds. There is NO WAY a 20 year old hamburger "looks fresh".
It was funny though!
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:53 PM
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79. Leave a McDonald's regular burger wrapped up and on the front seat...
... for about a year. Sunlight helps, too. Believe me, it's a revelation. Who you gonna believe, your logic or your own lying eyes?

PS I take all my meds as I have MS, probably from having eaten fast food.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 05:59 PM
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96. Probably! I just learned that my brand new dishes I bought
PROBABLY contain LEAD. arrrrrrrrrgh
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:20 AM
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11. This sounds kind of like the twinkie myth.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:05 PM
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68. Yep...even Disney is still pushing the Twinkie legend...
In Wall-E, the cockroach left on earth survives on ancient Twinkies.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:56 PM
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81. It's rumored that Ernie Bean winter clothes are insulated with Twinkies.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:25 PM
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98. Look up the episode of Anthony Bourdaine
where he visits the guy who made an apartment out of an old twinky factory. He left a pipe in place with the filling and they all tasted it. It was still edible.

I worked at KFC in my college days and those chocolate cakes we had were kept in boxes in the store room. They only had those click shut plastic containers and those cakes would stay moist and "fresh" for a good six weeks.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:21 AM
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12. The lady is spinning a yarn.
There is no way a 20 year old hamburger patty "looks like a fresh burger".
Or, you are wildly exaggerating how it looked. The thing would at least be leathery and dried.

But I agree that McDonalds should be strenuously avoided.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:40 AM
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16. I don't know...
<i>"The thing would at least be leathery and dried."</i>

Have you <i>seen</i> a McDonald's burger? How could you tell the difference?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:45 PM
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74. More than likely after 20 years you wouldn't even be able to
recognize it as a "burger"
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:04 PM
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83. I imagine it would have shrunk to the size of a quarter,
dark gray or black, hard as a rock, and dusty. No matter how many preservatives or chemicals are in it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 05:58 PM
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95. Exactly.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:35 AM
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14. I call bullshit. There's no need for a fast food joint to use preservatives.
Think about it-- McDonald's is ALL ABOUT high turnover of their product. Get it to the restaurants, get it prepared, get it into the customers' hands in as little time as possible. Except for the frozen ingredients, everything they sell only spends a few days or a week in their supply chain. Pumping preservatives into food that's going to be used or frozen before it can spoil is not economically sound. There's a lot to find fault with at McDonald's, but I have a hard time believing this one.

As for the burger you saw, I'd say it was dried quickly (in a low-temp oven, perhaps) and/or treated with something to prevent mold.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:11 AM
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24. Believe it. Read my post, this thread.
And personally, I have nothing against fast-food places.

Just don't eat at many any more. Matter of choice, you know?
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:31 PM
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71. I read your post. You made a dried hamburger. Still not proof of preservatives use. nt
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:06 PM
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84. You are right. No preservatives, except in the ketchup, mustard, and buns. No preservatives ...
...in the meat itself. What it is is PETRIFIED i.e all the moisture is gone and it's hard as a rock. No mold. Still looks like a fresh burger as long as you don't hold it right up to your eyes. Please try it or use your imagination. If I was lying about this, I wouldn't bother posting this.

Read the ingredient list on a bottle of Heinz ketchup, which is the brand McD's uses. The vinegar acts as the preservative. Mold won't grow in vinegar because it is too acidic. That's why ketchup at home seems to keep forever. Same with the mustard.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:25 AM
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103. if you throw bread out for the birds in dry weather, it doesn't mold either.
not enough moisture.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:45 AM
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17. You do not want to know...
:D




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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:34 PM
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99. Swamp Rat you ROCK, I am cured. Now everytime I see the golden Arches I will barf, Which
should have me lose a ton of weight
I have 3 McD's within a mile of each other on the same damn street near me.
How dumb is that
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:42 PM
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100. Yes. Associate the taste of a Big Mac with John McCain's stinky mouth and shriveled tongue.
:D

:* :puke:

It works with any fast 'food'. :D




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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:30 AM
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19. pfffttt...
woo woo scary.

isn't this the same "scary" bullshit we always make fun of republicans for spreading?


go buy a big mac and keep it for a week or a month.

trust me, it will look (or smell) anything but "fresh"...






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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:00 AM
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20. El Toro Poopoo!
There is NO WAY a "20 year old Big Mac" sitting in someone's office looks like a fresh burger. Think this one through.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 05:47 AM
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21. Wha da ya think it would bring on Ebay?
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 05:53 AM
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22. What about their "milkshakes"?
One time a neighbor had stopped by my home and accidently left their McDonald's milkshake on my back porch. They had only taken a few sips of it.

A couple of days later, I saw the drink container and opened it up. It still looked frosty and icy, but was warm.

I left it there a few more days just to see. Still looked the same.

After a month, it still looked the exactly as the day they bought it. It looked like a food prop as if it were made of some sort of plastic.

Now if you had made a milkshake at home and left it outside for a few hours or days, it would be runny and eventually would start to curdle.

It made me wonder what was it really. Thankfully I haven't eaten at McDonalds in at least 20+ years.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:26 AM
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29. We called these "shakes" glop-glop back in the day.
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 06:27 AM by obiwan
You could take off the top, put in a straw, and hold the "shake" upside down and nothing would fall out- not even the straw!

Today's Frosty at Wendy's is the same thing, only colder and thicker.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:09 AM
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23. I left a McD burger in the front seat of a car I no longer drove.
A year later, I found it. No mold, just PETRIFIED.

So hard you could drive nails with it.

I don't eat at McDonald's any more.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:56 AM
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32. I think McDonalds is pure evil, but this doesn't pass the "she turned me into a newt!" test
The trick is reproducing the experiment without roaches and flies and rats running off with the food, which requires 1) a glass jar (see: Francesco Redi), 2) a dessicated hamburger other than a Big Mac (as the lettuce and secret sauce alone will render it a moist undulating pukefest in days). So here's how it's done:
she's said elsewhere that the burger she uses in her talks has been dried to keep it from decay. <...>

from the origial article ( http://bestwellnessconsultant.com/2008/09/23/1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-karen-hanrahan-best-of-mother-earth.aspx ) there is a pic of the tupperware container the burger has been kept in. this could have prevented insects & stuff getting at it. <...>

Yeah, its just a hamburger, not a big mac, and that packaging is new. <...>

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/big-mac-lasts-l.html

IF the hamburger really is 12 years old, it's not a "lack of nutritional value" that prevented it from decomposing; as other commenters have pointed out, it's the fact that you let it dry out in an airtight environment. A completely preservative-free organic burger would look the same after 12 years if stored in similar conditions. This is a cheap gimmick--you'd do better to be honest and well-informed with the information you provide rather than relying on scare tactics and pseudoscience to try to "teach" your audience about health and wellness. Shame on you. <...>

Yep, I agree. The mold sets in quite quickly. Ever watched the experiment that was part of Morgan Spurlock's "SuperSize Me"? Those burgers were moldy in 2 weeks, and fully rotted at 10 weeks.

See yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSHaZIOk9nY

http://bestwellnessconsultant.com/2008/09/23/1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-karen-hanrahan-best-of-mother-earth.aspx
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:13 AM
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39. Thanks for digging a bit deeper...
the OP didn't pass the smell test, and I'm glad you've pointed out why.

:applause:

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:34 AM
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51. Great post.
The OP didn't sound right. The bread alone would have had mold very quickly left in a natural environment.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:18 AM
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34. I love hearing these stories
because they make me never want to put that crap in my system again.

8 months without McDonalds!

Yeah me!


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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:29 AM
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35. I'm a Five Guys Burger and Fries guy.
Yum!
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:37 AM
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52. Damn you!
Now I want one and they aren't in my city.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:50 PM
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77. What about this guy?
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:39 AM
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37. Is it in a vacuum container?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:05 AM
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38. That may say more about the environment in her office than the burger.
Is her office in a FEMA Trailer?

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #38
55. I still like McDonald's "milk" shakes...

At least their not as fattening as the real thing.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:17 AM
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40. She has had McCain in her office for 20 years?
How did he get out to make an ass out of himself in the Senate and in his Presidential run?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:25 AM
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41. I bought some hamburger at Wal-Mart once.
I put it in my refrigerator and forgot about it. After about 3 weeks I found it and it was still pink and did not really smell like it had gone bad. I threw it away and never bought meat there again. If the meat you buy is so unwholesome that the little microbes can't eat it then there's no way I'm going to put that crap in my pie hole.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:44 AM
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47. They use carbon monoxide at Wal-Mart
The reason meat containers at Wal-Mart look different than the usual plastic-wrap deal is that they have special containers that let them pump out the air and pump in carbon monoxide. The CO keeps meat looking red even after it's spoiled.
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ipfilter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:53 PM
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63. Wal-Mart meat is disgusting.
Their steaks are more like wax than beef.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:37 AM
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43. Your OP makes a good point and your skeptics are missing the point
You are not claiming that after 20 years the burger is good to eat; you are saying that there seems to be little biological activity on this old burger -- and specifically "no mold."

No one is disputing that there is no mold; only that it is petrified rather than fresh.

I say, even if it is petrified, if it did not biodegrade, there is something very wrong with that product for human consumption.

As for why, I would guess it has to do with the use of trans fats, which a doctor told me recently, are not biodegradable, which is why companies use them.

As for the claim that McD's and other fast food restaurants rely on fast turnover of fresh food -- where's the evidence? A big centralized food corporation, more likely, needs to build inventories as a hedge against price fluctuations and supply constraints. I would guess that they use a FIFO (first in/first out) inventory system that causes stuff to sit in inventory for a very long time.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:42 AM
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54. No. What the skeptics are pointing out
is that if you put ANY hamburger, no matter how healthfully made, in the same conditions, they would last just just as long and look just the same. It petrified. Nothing scary or special about the burger made it do that.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:37 PM
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61. I seriously doubt that, nor was that the point being made
because some of the skeptics wrote about hamburgers rotting in cars. If so that's a contradiction of the point you're making. Cooked meat left out at room temperature does not "petrify"; it rots.

If it doesn't rot, it's not something I want to be eating.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:53 PM
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67. It rots, Hamden, due to actions of microorganisms.
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 02:54 PM by Bornaginhooligan
If kept in a dry, sterile environment, meat will "petrify."

Are you familiar with cured meats? Pepperoni? Salami? That doesn't rot at room temperature. Why? The curing process makes it effectively sterile.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:07 PM
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69. You cannot make a sterile environment just by putting a burger in your office
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 03:14 PM by HamdenRice
Cured meats, by contrast, are not sterile: they are cured, which means that to a certain extent they "rotted" in a controlled way. That's why salami has that wonderful stinky smell.

The rotting is controlled by excessive fats in the case of certain dry sausages (like my hypothesis about the transfats om the burger, except transfats are nearly poisonous over the long term), and salts (both sodium chloride and salt peter, which prevent bacterial growth). Even with curing, when artisanal hams are taken down from the smoke house, moreover, they are covered with mold.

The conditions described in the OP -- a burger in an office -- are nothing like the careful curing process of hams and cured meats. My grandparents were extremely old fashioned farmers in the 1960s (actually African American hillbillies from the Virginia Piedmont who were throwbacks to the 1800s) so I'm familiar with how ham is cured -- cured by covering in covering in salt for a month, then cured by covering in sugar for a month, then smoked, then hung; hams that did not "cure properly" were discarded as poisonous, so that process is nothing like simply putting a burger in an office.

Also, Morgan Spurlock did a similar "experiment" in Supersize Me on McD's food with digustingly similar results, and IIRC, he used regular food as a "control" in his humorous experiment and the regular food rotted.

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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:15 PM
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87. Rot requires moisture. Curing removes the necessary moisture.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:38 PM
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72. And you are assuming that a dried burger means anything more than a dried burger.
"As for the claim that McD's and other fast food restaurants rely on fast turnover of fresh food -- where's the evidence? A big centralized food corporation, more likely, needs to build inventories as a hedge against price fluctuations and supply constraints. I would guess that they use a FIFO (first in/first out) inventory system that causes stuff to sit in inventory for a very long time."

Here ya go: http://www.mcdonalds.com.hk/english/products/nutrition2.htm

They bake and deliver the buns fresh daily and the meat does not contain preservatives. If you want to make a ton of money from a false advertising lawsuit, just buy some burgers and have them tested by a credible laboratory for food preservatives.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:47 PM
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75. Do you know how big Hong Kong is compared to the US?
You are citing publicity flak from McD's Hong Kong to "prove" how long McD's in the US holds inventory?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

How complicated do you think your supply chain needs to be to supply Hong Kong?

And how complicated to supply the US?
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:06 PM
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85. The US site says the same thing. 100% beef, no preservatives, bread delivered fresh, or frozen.
If you think they're lying, show some proof of your own.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:13 PM
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97. Look, it's DU. On a variety of topics, this is nothing but an online insane asylum.
This is one of those topics.

Tesha

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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:23 PM
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88. McDonald's is a franchise. That means that although McDonald's has standards, ...
...franchisees will try to get away with anything that will increase their profit. Mc D's gets around this franchisee greed by holding the cooked "core" in warming trays and assembling the "product" at time of purchase. Voila- "Fresh" fast food.The finished product can be claimed to be fresh even if the ingredients are not.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:23 AM
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102. first in first out means if i get supplies on the 1st, 15th & 30th, the ones i receieved on the 1st
get used first. the opposite of "causes stuff to sit in inventory a long time".
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 07:15 AM
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105. I know what FIFO is
The person I was responding to was essentially claiming that McD's does not accumulate inventories at all, because it uses completely fresh ingredients. That would be called a "just in time" inventory system, which I find very improbable for an operation the size of McD's.

FIFO would be the approach taken by any food company to maximize freshness, but it would also mean that it would indeed keep warehouses of product in inventory.

If you are going to believe that McD's has no inventory accumulation at all, you might as well also promote the idea that it's Big Mac is healthy because it consists of an all beef patty special sauce lettuce cheese pickle all on a sesame seed bun, and that, as the cited website says:

"An independent analysis by an university laboratory in Australia shows that McDonald's food can play a valuable part in a balanced diet (one including fruits, fresh vegetables and cereals), contributing proteins, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals for good health."

...

"A sample menu consisting of a McDonald's Big MacTM, French Fries and a Shake, contains important sources of riboflavin, calcium, phosphorus, thiamin, niacin, zinc, magnesium, iodine and iron, as well as vitamins A, B6, B12, C and D, and proteins."

Hey, an independent university laboratory in Australia says so on McD's website, so it must be true!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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123infinity Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:37 AM
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44. The lady was pulling your leg. Assuming you actually believe that goofy story.
:eyes:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:29 AM
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49. Wow, holy nutty paranoia. I got terribly sick once, after eating McDonald's, so I can
ASSURE you that microbes can and do live on their burgers. I also used to work there, in high school, and it's actual food. High in fat, "flavor-engineered", etc.--but still made of the same agricultural commidities as everything else you buy and eat. You people are nucking futz.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:26 PM
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89. And very unhealthy.
Because we don't like eating stuff that can kill us or or make us very sick. Ask Morgan Spurlock.

We are not "nucking futz'. We just are more careful with what we eat.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:32 AM
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50. i only go to mickey d's for breakfast- i LOVES me my sausage egg mcmuffins...
i generally take off the top half of the muffin, slather the sandwich with ketchup, and then put the hashbrowns on top, like it was the other half of the muffin. mmmmm....
for 'dessert', i put grape jelly on the muffin half that's left.

i cannot handle the non-breakfast menu- except maybe for the asian grilled chicken salad.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:40 AM
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53. I grew up before preservatives were in everything and mold was


common. cheese will form mold - just cut that part off. breads, goodies will gather mold - cut it off. etc.

today what gets me is the modified tomatoes. they can sit on your kitchen counter forever and not rot. I won't eat that!
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:47 AM
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57. I think I'm going to throw up
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:48 AM
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58. Mold need moisture and darkness to grow
If it's dried out (I assume it is), you're not going to get any mold on it.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:56 AM
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59. Someone died eating nothing but Poison Palace fare
I think it was a guy in Detroit who ate nothing but McDonald's for all his meals. After about 11 years, he died of malnutrition.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:24 PM
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70. In a famous medical "self experiment" a doctor ate White Castle for weeks and went insane
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 03:24 PM by HamdenRice
There is this genre of crazy medical experiments of doctors doing the experiments on themselves. One such doctor won the Nobel Prize for a self experiment that proved that stomach ulcers were caused not by spicy food or stress, but by a bacterial infection.

Anyway, one doctor did a nutritional self experiment involving eating nothing but White Castle hamburgers for a month or two (I forgot the length of time). Eventually he became mentally ill, as a result of vitamin deficiencies caused by WC's use of steam cooking, which destroyed the B vitamins.

The mental illness was easily reversible by consumption of nutritious food. I had this very funny non fiction book about self experiments in history and this was one of the funnier and less grisly ones.
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123infinity Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:57 PM
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94. Well, that certainly explains Harold and Kumar
:rofl:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 07:19 AM
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106. Worse, the Doc who discovered a B vitamin required his patients to EAT the DOC'S VOMIT !
His theory was that a certain disease of malnutrition he was seeing was caused by the patients' inability to digest certain vitamins because they lacked a certain digestive enzyme that made the vitamin available.

So he put his patients on a strict diet. The Doc would eat, vomit, and feed the vomit to his patients.

The patients recovered and that Doc is credited with groundbreaking vitamin research.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:05 PM
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60. Beyond unlikely
Never mind the mold, both the bread and the cheese would have long since decayed by now.

I call total BS on this one.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:45 PM
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62. I think the lady needs some kind of therapy for keeping a hamburger for 20 years.
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 12:45 PM by cherokeeprogressive
I'd have eaten it while it was still hot. And smiled. Did she get fries with that?

You find it terrifying that Mickey D's food and "all processed foods" (emphasis mine) do not mold every.... every what? The quoted words from your post expose it as just Anti-Processed Food Propaganda.
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quispismanna Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 04:51 PM
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92. Like the Twinkie, processed foods contain hydrogenated oil
and its purpose is never to spoil. The food is toxic and I will not step in one of those types of places, even if they DO offer salads now!
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:11 AM
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101. Well, at least they aren't putting mold in their burgers. That's good.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:20 AM
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104. i find this hard to believe. maybe i'll buy one tomorrow and get back
to you in a month.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 07:40 AM
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107. A friend at my local grocery calls me every once in a while when...
they are throwing away bread and I go pick it up to feed the birds, squirrels and ducks.

I open the bags and try to tear the slices into pieces, but even though it's old bread it just balls up into soft and gummy balls. I've left a couple of loafs (by accident) for an entire month on a shelve in the laundry room and it didn't get hard or even get mold spots on it. It was mostly bunny bread, but other brands she's given me have done the same thing.

I purchased a breadmaker last year, it's the best investment I ever made. It's a cheap way to make your own bread without preservatives and chemicals and the bread is absolutely delicious.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 07:43 AM
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108. Soylent Ronald?
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