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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:43 PM
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Well this is a sure sign that we will absolutely nothing done in Congress....
Repukes will use every trick in the book, like filibusters, because they know our leadership has absolutely ZERO backbone. They're basically rewarding Lieberman for attacking our candidate. GUH.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:44 PM
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1. Oh yawn.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:01 AM
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15. And so yawns the fan of a woman willing to let criminals walk.
NT!

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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:47 PM
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2. we knew years ago they had no backbone
for the most part they are pussys...that's why we've lost so

many elections...Thank God for Obama...jmo...
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:00 PM
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5. But why is that? What is wrong with Dems that makes them so weak? nt
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:03 PM
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6. Weakness hides their strength. Why fight against legislation you want?
Play possum, posture yourself politically, and get yourself re-elected.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:24 PM
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7. Not sure I catch your drift--to what end?
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 07:30 PM by lib_wit_it
If you're saying they actually support the Republican agenda, then why aren't they Rs?


Edit for typos--I don't do well with a laptop keyboard...
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:40 PM
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8. Because, depending on how the pendulum swings...
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 07:41 PM by Oregone
They will capture 50% of the votes by not being Republicans, or rather, by being the "opposition". Sometimes being in office, and being the one with the friends and favors, is all that matters some of these people. Some, of course, but there are exceptions.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:06 PM
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9. I so don't want to believe that. My eyes again and again and AGAIN tell me otherwise.
Should I believe my lying eyes?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:12 PM
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10. It doesn't matter what you believe
Your purpose to to labor, and generate capital and energy. You are a human battery with the defect of emotions. I hate to be brutally honest, but its some knowledge I picked up while living with someone who is now in the Bush Admin (this is what "they" think about you). Thats one of the reasons I said goodbye to the whole charade.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:17 PM
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11. I appreciate brutal honesty. I am usually the one in your shoes in this type of exchange.
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 08:19 PM by tom_paine
Refreshing to stand in the other set of shoes from time to time.

Thanks. :hi:

It may be as you say. Oh my yes, it most certainly may...
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:02 AM
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12. OK, I'm as cynical as the next guy, so it's not that I'm rejecting what you say, it's just that
I still am not sure what, exactly, you're saying. Can you be more specific?

I'm just now finishing the Shock Doctrine, and, though nothing there shocked me (as I'd suspected the general idea, thought the specifics were demoralizing), I'm left thinking it's all hopeless. It's the fucking middle ages all over again. The wealthy fucks control it all and the hole's too deep for even Obama, with all his righteous hopiness and changiness, to dig us out of.



Oh, but you'd be saying he's, um, I don't know. Tell me more.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 09:37 AM
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13. Im stating that their political platform is based more on hedging their bets and playing an role...
of "opposition", rather than what they believe in (if they believe in anything). Its all a charade in many ways, and the two sides play into each other's hands in cycles while they game everyone that votes for them. The stagecraft was excellently played out when the Democrats seized power in 2006 and the Republicans handed them the gift of a rumored war in Iran and a "surge". Why was this a gift? Because quickly the population forgot about ending the Iraq war, and the Democrats could shift focus to oppose this escalation (but opposing escalation wasn't all they were supposed to do). While the Republicans were able to deliver for their base in minority, the Democrats saved face on campaign rhetoric scored points on their end (and the status quo remained).

Just look at some of the planks of the conservative platform...How much of that really happens in "true form" when they had absolute control of the legislative and executive (more than normal this go around)? And the Democrats...let's take UHC for example: its been a push since Truman and its still not here (when every other industrialized nation and some second world nations have it, which leads me to believe it will never be here). Have you ever considered once a party actually accomplishes what they campaign on, that they will have little else to get elected on? Hell, that was one of the Republican's downfalls this election. They accomplished too much. It rings hollow for McCain to promise even more tax cuts, deregulation and war. We have enough for now, so anyone who is positioned as "opposition" will have a large boost.

These "issues" are just emotional tools used to win the hearts of that adoring electorate. But in reality, when you look at the socio-economic conditions, we are ever bit a slave to the capitalistic system, to our masters in Washington, as we ever were (if not more so now, with no savings and massive consumer debts that ensures virtual indentured servitude for life). But while we slave for this life sentence (being handled bread and circus (iPods) to keep us happy), they fortunately appease half the population each election cycle (the liberal half this time), which pacifies the masses.

From one day to the next, on November 4th, you would think everything changed. People are happier and more optimistic, who were not before (and vice versa). Has anything changed yet? Will anything essentially? I will wait and see...

The two parties seem to be more focused at pacifying the masses they represent to beat back violent manifestations of the public opinion. Despite what "the powers that be" really believe in, and what policies they really want to implement to build more wealth and power, they divide up in groups aimed at keeping their peon slaves happy with artificial stage politics.

There will be no guillotine. The revolution will not be a regularly scheduled infomercial played on pre-purchased network airspace. We have our X-boxes. Our shiny toys. Our George Bushes. Our Barack Obamas. While we toil for life with a staggering disproportional amount of wealth to cover our debts and to pay for our food and health care into old age, we remain content, if not ecstatic. For an objective man, there is nothing to be happy about.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:01 AM
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14. Wow. Thanks for the reply. That's a lot to take in, but I think I understand. My
life is kinda shit right now, but as angry as I am about the political situation in the US and the world, I'm still not willing to risk the little I have to become a revolutionary. I guess I'm as bad as the politicians.

Oh great, now I'm really depressed.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:47 PM
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3. So start a campaign to change the leadership
We need to get rid of both Pelosi and Reed. Even as an avowed liberal I find her annoying and Reed is the most boring person I have seen. We need new leadership in this Congress to get things done. Where is Russ Feingold?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 06:50 PM
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4. Your concern is duly noted... eom
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:03 AM
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16. Way to dismiss a legitimate concern, ace.
NT!

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