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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:13 AM
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My mom just blamed me being gay on my easy-bake oven.
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 05:14 AM by ccharles000
My mom just said the reason I am gay is the easy bake I had when I was a kid. I loved that toy but I don't think it made me gay. Last month it was my dad I wonder what she will blame next. She is not a bad person just stuck in her ways.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:23 AM
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1. You want to freak her out?
Tell her the number one thing that makes people gay is heterosexual parents!

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:25 AM
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3. lol
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:36 AM
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29. overbearing mothers ...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:26 PM
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40. and then thank her for BUYING you the oven
I'm pretty sure YOU didn't buy it for yourself :rofl:

Mom's half-baked food for thought, eh?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:24 AM
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2. Did she mean the cooking or the contaminants in the food?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:27 AM
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5. I believe she thinks it was a girls toy
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:37 AM
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9. Hey check this out
Bobby Flay had one as a lad, too. I remember reading or hearing it once so I googled it real quick and found it:

http://www.superchefblog.com/2005/01/passing-of-mr-easy-bake-oven.html

Oh and I was just joshing about the contaminants, I remember my sister and I playing with hers and the mix it came with looked--and tasted a little--like it came from a WWII stockpile or shelter, lol.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:25 AM
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4. She doesn't 'understand,'
and is trying.

Peace to you.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:30 AM
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6. Lawdy.
Tell her it was the Vogue and Architectural Digest magazines she left lying around the house. :eyes:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:31 AM
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7. Damn.. what were you baking in that little thing?
:rofl:
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:33 AM
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8. I pretty much cut off contact with my father...
...Over this issue. I can't be bother to grovel for his understanding. I suppose some would call me cold, but I do not define 'family' through ties of blood.
My small group of friend and my mother's pretty much what I consider my real family.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:38 AM
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10. So, Hasbro has been behind teh Gay Agenda all along.
It must have been the pink frosting they included. DAMN YOU E-Z BAKE!!!!
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:40 AM
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11. Tell her that she is right...
and it is all her fault. What the hell was she thinking?

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:44 AM
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12. I can't do that
she would have a nervous breakdown
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:51 AM
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14. Just joshin'
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 05:52 AM by Luminous Animal
My daughter's friend lived with us for a summer when he was 14 because his mom couldn't come to grips with his sexuality. I'm on your side but I'm on her side too because I know that you love each other.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:24 PM
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76. tell her you like who you are and what you are
and ask her if she would want that to change? :shrug:

(my advice should be taken with a grain of salt)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:48 AM
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13. BTW charles, I made a bit of a joke in this thread but please know
That my thoughts are with you. I can't fathom what you must be going through when there is a lack of understanding from loved ones. Well I can, on a different level, my parents probably wonder why I turned out the way I did too (crazy, pagan, prone to excess).
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:52 AM
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16. thanks
:hug:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:51 AM
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15. Hey, tell her it is her "fault."
But, it really is not a "fault," because you are happy being gay (I assume you are). Just say: Thanks mom! They weren't Levi's or Dungarees or Wranglers, but thanks again for the great GENES. ;)

My mom couldn't figure it out, despite having gay and lesbian friends and the fact I stood up in the back of the car at 7yo and belted out "I am Woman!". :P She just thought I would be "theatrical."
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:41 PM
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43. "i am woman?" that is such a CUTE story--and funny. "theatrical!"
lol. very cute story.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:54 AM
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17. You mean the one that BOTH my son's want?
and no, it doesnt freak me out, heck I took cooking classes (Home Ec.) in Jr. high and High school.
Nothing like going to school and EATING for free!

My boys are 7 and soon to be 11 and I'll love them NO MATTER WHAT, and they know that.

I just love those little boogers...

Sign me

A Happy Dad.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:03 AM
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18. Honestly ccharles, you should bake her a really nice cake for Christmas.
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 06:10 AM by ColbertWatcher
Or her birthday.

Seriously.

DU has a Cooking & Baking forum (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=236) and there are so many knowledgeable people there, they could help you find the right recipe and walk you through everything you'd need to know to make it perfect!

(EDITED TO ADD...)

Here is a link to a recipe for a Bacardi Rum Cake (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8243304&mesg_id=8243458) posted for a Thanksgiving recipe thread.

If that looks too complicated, make sugar cookies, using Christmas shapes (http://kitchengifts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=KCI&Category_Code=Christmas) and red and green sprinkles.

Oh! You know what would be really cool! If you guys made a gingerbread house together!

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:14 AM
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91. Wouldn't it take a Hell of a long time to bake an entire gingerbread house
...in an Easy Bake oven? :shrug:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:02 AM
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94. LOL! Not with the Easy Bake! LOL! With a real oven! n/t
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:09 AM
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19. It wasn't the oven it was the cinnamon bun recipe. That turned my sister into a lesbian

for a year and a bad cook for life.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:11 AM
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20. San dan donia!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:13 AM
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21. I cooked supper for the wife last night... with a real oven!
Tell your mom she's now rattled my heterosexual identity to the core.:scared:

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:46 PM
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65. Yeah...But what did you cook?
Risotto?

Capers?

Couscous?

:scared:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:30 AM
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22. I reeeeally wanted one of those
and I'm straight, but not narrow, as the saying goes.

It was all about having cake anytime I wanted. :-)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:42 AM
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23. I would just tell her "God made me gay." n/t
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:18 AM
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24. You should avoid anything with "easy" in the title
Lest ye be led down the path of iniquity.

I didn't have an Easy-Bake, but I did have a Spirograph. Does that mean anything?

(If it makes you feel any better, my parents blamed my sister's lesbian status on Title IX....)
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:34 PM
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41. You're twisted? n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:31 AM
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25. Actually, the more older brothers you have, the more likely you are to be gay.
It's the "fault" of your mom's exhausted, testosterone-depleted womb.

That, and the fact that she never bought you a dirtbike.

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:33 AM
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26. I only have a little sister
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:39 AM
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27. It can't be that. I'm gay and I didn't get one
even thought I ASKED. Maybe your mom has it the other way around. You loved your easy bake oven because you are gay.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:24 PM
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39. ME TOO!
Still gay, without the Easy Bake exerience. Sigh.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 07:56 AM
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28. Oh good lord
I'm sorry you are dealing with a mother in denial, Charles. That sucks.


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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 04:51 PM
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31. thanks
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 04:52 PM by ccharles000
:hug:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:41 AM
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30. Well then, ours must've been defective.
I used to LOVE playing with that thing.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 04:53 PM
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32. Tell your Mom that my son had an Easy Bake Oven
when he was little and he's not gay. Case closed.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:00 PM
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49. Another theory shot to hell.
Back to the drawing board.

:rofl:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 04:55 PM
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33. Well...parents have to go through their own process. By the time we come out, we've
known we were gay for a while, and have typically gone through our own process. Parents need some time too. Even Cher needed time.

But mostly I'm jealous that you had an easy bake oven.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 04:56 PM
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34. If only she had bought it for you in another color but pink! ;-) nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 04:56 PM
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35. Does she think all male chefs are gay?
:rofl:

Cooking is woman's work! :rofl:

In a similar vein, one of my teachers in elementary school was telling us about male superiority (this was before the PC days) and explained that even things women did were done best by men - the top chefs were men, etc. Designers (sewing) and I guess Dr. Spock when it came to raising children.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:26 PM
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46. My ex-partner was a chef
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 02:11 AM
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87. Yikes!
Off-topic, but when I see the term "woman's work" I thank the powers that my mom said this one thing to me at the right age...around 10 or 11 or 12, when she was teaching me how to cook and do my own laundry.

She said, "Son, any man who believes in 'woman's work' is a momma's boy."

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:01 PM
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36. you want I should kick her easy bake ass, ccharles?
she sounds like she surely needs it
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:13 PM
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47. She really is a good person.
She is just really religious
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 09:57 PM
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48. even good people need straightening out sometimes
:hi:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 02:20 AM
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88. Her easy bake ass.
:spray:

Ah, hilarious.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:05 PM
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37. I wanted one to eat the cakes.
Hungry≠Gay.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:10 PM
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38. 99% of all gay people have one thing in common
they were born to heterosexuals. Thats the #1 thing GLBT persons have in common.

There is a great book by Chastity Bono, Family Outing, that I got my parents when I came out - check it out and pass it on to your Mom if it will help:

Amazon.com Review
Family Outing is two books in one: a memoir of Chastity Bono's experience coming out as a lesbian to her famous parents and a look at the difficulties and triumphs that are part of every uncloseted homosexual's family life, with narratives drawn from interviews with members of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). Sometimes the two projects work against each other, but for the most part, Bono is right in assuming that her story reflects something larger in the culture and that others' stories, in turn, bear on her own experience. Readers skimming for intimate details about the mother-daughter conflict between Cher and Chastity won't be disappointed by Bono's sensitively written account. For a long time, Cher overlooked the troubling evidence of her daughter's emerging sexual identity: "Instead, she focused on superficial issues that bothered her: my short hair, my mannish clothes, my weight." Their relationship deteriorated, and it was Sonny to whom Chastity eventually confided; ironically, the father who offered immediate, warm acceptance of his daughter's lesbianism would later sponsor the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act in the House of Representatives. --Regina Marler

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Outing-Chastity-Bono/dp/0316102334
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:35 PM
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42. I'm Sorry
Happy holidays!

I loved my Easy-Bake oven.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:43 PM
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44. easy bake=gay. i have to remember that one.
"last month it was my dad"

omg.

she needs to sit down on this roller coaster and just enjoy the ride. tell her everything is fine--and it will continue to be all good.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 06:21 PM
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45. I will have to ask my nephew if he ever got one, although I doubt it.
His father cooks a lot at home, though....Hmmmm.
(Creole, too)

mark
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:03 PM
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50. Tell her that you have a friend named Yardwork who also had an Easy-Bake oven and it didn't
keep her from becoming a lesbian. Not even the pink frosting!

Not even the three years of Home Ec I was forced to take instead of shop, which I wanted to take and wasn't allowed, kept me from becoming a lesbian.

Despite the fact that I can sew a skirt and bake pink cakes, I am still a lesbian.

But now I wonder if my Incredible Edibles made me lesbian.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:44 PM
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63. You sound....
intriguing to this bisexual woman....
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:12 PM
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51. The evil 'Easy Bake Oven Homosexual Agenda,' huh?
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 10:12 PM by Seldona
I'm surprised O'Reilly isn't all over this.

Just kidding man. :rofl:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:26 PM
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57. Bake your way to gay? n/t
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:04 AM
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90. There is a slogan guaranteed to make a few heads pop.
heh
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:03 AM
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95. Maybe on DU, not too sure about anyone else! n/t
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:12 PM
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52. Damn. I never did get one of those for my son and he turned out gay anyway.
:rofl:

I'm sorry ccharles000 that your mom is stuck on this. I hope she comes around.

Our oldest son came out to us when he was in 10th grade (6 years ago). Apparently
it was a real struggle for him, but it wasn't a surprise to me. After all, I am his mother.
It's made no difference to us at all.

I don't think either his Dad or I "made" him gay--unless you consider the blending of our genes
as responsible. It's just the way he is. And all we have to do as parents is love him for who he is.

I do hope your mom comes around.

:hug:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:16 PM
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53. Sorry you have to deal with that. Tell her you have an anonymous internet friend who
dressed her child in pink for formative yrs, yet he turned out hetero, alas.

Seems all she caused was your life. And she should be happy and proud about that.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:21 PM
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54. We gave our son a Fischer-Price kitchen and a Tonka dump truck one Christmas.
It happened to be the Christmas my fundie in-laws visited us for the holiday. After all the kids were in bed we started laying out the "Santa" gifts. When we dragged out the big Fischer-Price kitchen, they were mortified.

"That's for your son?! That's a GIRL'S toy!"

We explained that, at 4 or 5 years old, he loved helping Mom in the kitchen. He still made guns out of straws or napkins, like all boys. And he definitely had the "truck gene." Which is why we also gave him one of those giant yellow Tonka trucks. But they would hear none of it. We were very possibly going to damage our son for life, they told us.

I finally stopped it by saying "What's the worst that can happen? He learns how to cook his own meals and be self-sufficient?" They harrumphed and we all went to bed.

The next morning, the first thing our son went for was...the Tonka truck. Then immediately to the kitchen set. He loved them both and played with them both all the time.

Today, he's 22 and happily married to a lovely girl. I guess he didn't catch Teh Gay from his kitchen. But my fundie relatives are still fundies.

.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:23 PM
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55. I love to cook.
Which is good because my wife hates to. If a love of cooking made one gay, I'd be on the gay team at Top Chef.

David
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:26 PM
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56. I didn't have my own but I sure used to play like hell with my cousins
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 10:26 PM by NNN0LHI
We used to cook all kinds of stuff. I still cook a cake in the big oven occasionally when my wife doesn't feel like doing it.

I am 53 and I don't think I am gay and don't know it? That sounds like something I would be aware of by now I would think.

No offense but your mother sounds like she may have experimented around with LSD in her forming years to come up with off the wall stuff like that. She sounds like a kook. But you sound just fine to me. So I wouldn't worry.

Don
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:33 PM
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58. She did pot when she was a teen
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:50 PM
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67. my dad grew pot in astronomical amounts. That had nothing to do
with his sexuality. I promise you. As a toddler I drooled on Eda LeShan and Margaret Mead, et al... they would have known if there was a connection.

Sounds like something else is bugging you.. you okay?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:57 PM
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71. The person asked if my mom ever did LSD and I told him about her using pot.
I am fine thanks :hug:
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:42 PM
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80. good to hear it. Parents can be troublesome - and lovely. : )
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:40 PM
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59. I had an easy bake oven, I learned taxidermy in 6th grade, played with
barbies, and inherited a 30.06 and a .45 revolver at age eleven. I had a big game license and ran barefoot through 4 star restaurants in Paris at age 5. Am I gay? How would you know? Am I male or female? Again... that's my point. None of these things identify me in any way...

An easy bake oven does not a personality make... not by a long shot.

My dad was gay... but he never had an easy bake oven. I think you're okay and I think your mom is looking for a simple explanation for something that she doesn't understand and feels guilt about. She needn't feel guilt, that's the most important aspect of this...
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:41 PM
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60. Hmmm... so I should be a lesbian for playing with GI Joe?
I'm not... and I did.

Silly comparison, but sometimes we reach for straws (and light bulbs).

:hug: Hope your Mom figures it out soon.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:43 PM
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61. I wish I had a gay son.
Why are all these women so unappreciative of having a gay son? I think it would be awesome. I got the next best thing--a straight daughter, but still.

Are you young enough to be my adoptive son? I'm 38. Tell me you're 18, that'll work! Oh and it definitely wasn't because of any easy bake oven because my very straight brother played with all that shit, including all my Barbies.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:52 PM
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68. I am 18
:hug:
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:57 PM
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70. Oh YAY!
Well, son, let's look at pictures of guys and talk about who's cute. Would that be too weird? Because I'm seriously in love with Ewan McGregor. :hug:

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:03 PM
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72. Ewan is cute but I really like Gale Harold.
He was in Queer as Folk

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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:10 PM
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75. I have to agree with you there.
Mostly because of his eyes, nose, and lips. I cannot resist a nose like that.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:43 PM
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62. Oh Lordy
I had one, but I'm female. I had a truck though. How come I'm not gay?

Hope your Mom loves you anyway, even if she's trying to find reasons for your being gay. (A little deep down self blame probably, maybe?)

I'd tell her it's equally productive to figure out why your eyes are the color they are.

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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:45 PM
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64. ROFL
My mom thinks my cousin is a lesbian because my aunt breastfed her. She told me that in an attempt to get me to not breastfeed my daughter. People are crazy.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:46 PM
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66. WHA?
Ok NOW I've officially heard it ALL.

Didn't work on my breastfed daughter who is now a teenager and very much likes boys.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 10:52 PM
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69. "Hasbro recalled the Easy-Bake Oven today after it was proved to cause male homosexuality."
"The Easy-Bake will be replaced with a similar toy, known as the Macho-Army-Man-Mess-Hall Oven, which will come with an airsoft pellet gun, just in case them terrorists invade the mess hall while you're making that there manly food."
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:07 PM
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73. ok....
that is f-ing brilliant!!!!!!!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:40 PM
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79. Awww thanks!
:P
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:08 PM
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74. I played with so called boy toys, never was interested in girl toys.
I am not gay.

I know several women who are gay and they played with dolls.

So there.

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:29 PM
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77. Tell her that the reason that you are gay is because of the simple fact that men are hot.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 02:40 AM
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89. Yes they are
:P
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:30 PM
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78. my step grandmother said tight underwear causes it
:eyes:

and she also said smoking keeps the cancer down so if you stop smoking... :crazy:(i can't bear to go on, she's an idiot).
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:44 PM
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81. then have her explain this....
my sis played with dolls
I couldn't stand them
my sis loved to play dress up
I played with my slot car set
my sis loves make up
i often go without
my sis is gay
I'm straight

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:05 AM
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82. Cake is the #1 tool of Satan.
Damn you, cake, with your airy sweetness and treacherous frosting! Damn you!! :evilgrin:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:03 AM
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96. The cake is a lie. n/t
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:38 AM
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83. I'm sorry.
:hug:

When I was little I begged for a racing car set....my mom had a fit, said it was a "boy's toy" but my dad said "let her have it if she wants it." I also had a toy police car, now that I think about it.

I bought my 3 year old son a stovetop set because he loves to help in the kitchen and pretending to cook is one of his favorite things to do. (I think he'd love a full-blown kitchen but those are kind of expensive.) And again, my mom had a fit. Which I don't understand because both my father and husband are awesome cooks! :crazy:


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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:42 AM
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84. That, and the Barbie dolls you played with when she wasn't looking.
It would've worked even faster if Ken had been anatomically correct.
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:47 AM
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85.  I had an Easy Bake Oven, and I'm not gay
. . . . so thar goes that theory . . . . it did, however, give me an aversion to learning how to bake. The thought of having to throw together a batch of cookies gives me nightmares.

And MUFFINS ~!

Don't EVEN go there!

My mom thinks I am a failure 'cuz I didn't get married and have kids.

It's always SUMTHIN'!



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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:58 AM
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86. Give her this research that I have gathered for you. And good luck.
Link: http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#choice

American Psychological Association:

Based in Washington, DC, the American Psychological Association (APA) is a scientific and professional organization that represents psychology in the United States. With 148,000 members, APA is the largest association of psychologists worldwide. It is difficult to be considered a reputable psychologist in the United States without being a member of the American Psychological Association.

Official views of The American Psychological Association, its affiliates, and reputable science:

Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?
No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.
However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.
What About So-Called "Conversion Therapies"?
Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients' sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports however show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of the claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective which condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented. For example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported overtime as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.
The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association's Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology's opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client's right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation has a right to expect that such therapy would take place in a professionally neutral environment absent of any social bias.
Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.
Can Lesbians, Gay Men, and Bisexuals Be Good Parents?
Yes. Studies comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or her children's.
Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.


Author(s):
Burr, Chandler
Source:
Homosexuality and religion: An encyclopedia. Siker, Jeffrey S. (Ed); pp. 26-31. Westport, CT, US: Greenwood Press/Greenwood Publishing Group, 2007. x, 258 pp.
0-313-33088-3 (hardcover)
978-0-313-33088-9 (hardcover)

(Transcribed direction from text) The history of science has been anything but tranquil. In 1859, when Charles Darwin proposed to the world the theory of evolution, the world was repelled. It was aghast that a former Christian cleric would propose it. Most of the preeminent scientists of the day renounced both what Darwin had observed and the conclusions he had drawn from it. Adam Sedgwick, Darwin's old geology teacher and friend, denounced evolution and the biological mechanism of natural selection. Thomas Carlyle called it "a Gospel of dirt." Along with his personal integrity and his motives, Darwin's science was attacked. People rejected Darwin's theory not because the evidence was against him. What troubled the world was a science that dragged human beings down from their position of primacy to the level of the other animal species. What bothered the world was the apparent diminishment of humanity, which was no longer and would never be again, as Darwin would one day rather brutally put it, a separate act of creation. The world has again been disturbed by the science on homosexuality. The first major biological investigation of sexual orientation was published in 1991, neuroanatomical research that jumped from the pages of the periodical Science to the popular media and to public conversation. Within a relatively short time, it was followed by several genetics forays and heightened interest in the hormonal evidence. In early 2005 a team of scientists led by Dr. Brian Mustanski of the University of Illinois at Chicago published their findings in the highly respected biomedical journal Human Genetics. They identified three chromosomal regions linked to sexual orientation in men, mapped on the human genome as 7q36, 8pl2, and 10q26. The various scientists pursuing this biological mystery--neuroanatomists Simon LeVay and Laura Allen, human geneticists Richard Pillard and Michael Bailey, molecular geneticists Dean Hamer, Angela Pattatucci, and Brian Mustanski, and endocrinologists Heino Meyer-Bahlburg and Anka Erhardt--proposed that homosexuals were, in fact, the work of a separate act of creation, in this case biological creation. Gay people, they argued, are biologically distinct human beings from "straight" (heterosexual) people. Where evolution had threatened to bring human beings down from a separate pinnacle to the level of the animals, this latest science on the biology of homosexuality threatened to raise homosexuals up from the level of the subhuman or aberrant and place them on the fully human plan. The implications were and are of tremendous consequence, not only for science, but also for religion. What would it mean for religious views of sexuality and reproduction if there were a subgroup of human beings genetically directed to have nonreproductive sex? The consequences of the scientific studies have resulted in a profound equalizing effect, a leveling of political, social, and even theological hierarchies. The research said that in the important ways heterosexuals and homosexuals were the same, and yet different. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2007 APA, all rights reserved)

From an accredited University website with a .edu url:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/nature-nurture/levay.html

The Proven Difference in Hypothalmic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men:

Simon LeVay The anterior hypothalmus of the brain participates in the regulation of male-typical sexual behavior. The volumes of four cell groups in this region were measured in postmortem tissue from three subject groups: women, men who were presumed to be heterosexual, and homosexual men. No differences were found between the groups in the volumes of INAH 1, 2, or 4. As has been reported previously, INAH 3 was more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the women. It was also, however, more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the homosexual men. This finding indicates that INAH is dimorphic with sexual orientation, at least in men, and suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate.




Kendler, Kenneth S., Thornton, Laura M., Gilman, Stephen E., Kessler, Ronald C., (2000) Sexual orientation in a U.S. national sample of twin and non-twin sibling pairs. American Journal of Psychiatry Vol 157(11), Nov 2000. pp. 1843-1846

From the Abstract: Sexual orientation was assessed by a single item on a self-report questionnaire in a U.S. national sample of twin and non-twin sibling pairs (all Ss aged 25-74 years). Sexual orientation was classified as heterosexual or non-heterosexual (bisexual or homosexual). The authors compared the similarity of sexual orientation in the monozygotic twins to the similarity in the same-sex dizygotic twins, all dizygotic twins, the same-sex dizygotic twins and sibling pairs, and all dizygotic twins and sibling pairs. Biometrical twin analyses were performed. All analyses demonstrated familial resemblance for sexual orientation. Resemblance was greater in the monozygotic twins than in the dizygotic twins or in the dizygotic twins plus non-twin siblings. Familial factors, which are at least partly genetic, influence sexual orientation. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2007 APA, all rights reserved)


Also see:

Bailey and Pillard (1991): occurrence of homosexuality among brothers
• 52% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
• 22% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
• 11% of adoptive brothers of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, “A genetic study of male sexual orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096, December 1991.
Bailey and Pillard (1993): occurrence of homosexuality among sisters
• 48% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual women were likewise homosexual (lesbian)
• 16% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
• 6% of adoptive sisters of homosexual women were likewise homosexual
Bailey, J. M. and D. S. Benishay (1993), “Familial Aggregation of Female Sexual Orientation,” American Journal of Psychiatry 150(2): 272-277.




EXPLANATION OF ABSTRACT/DATA FROM THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY:

Monozygotic twins are twins that are derived from a single fertilized egg that divides into. Monozygotic twins, as a result, are close to being genetically identical. They are often referred to as identical twins.
Dizygotic twins are twins that were derived when two different sperm cells fertilized two different eggs. This creates two twins who are may be closer in genetic identity than mere siblings, but who are not at all genetically identical or significantly more similar.

In all twin studies, a concurrence rate, and a penetration rate is expected for a genetic factor. Penetration rate is almost never 100% for any condition. Here is an example of penetration rate. Schizophrenia is wildly understood and excepted as being a genetic disorder. Identical (Monozygotic) twins, separated at birth, have a 46% penetration rate. This means that if one twin develops schizophrenia then the other twin as a 46% chance of developing schizophrenia. If twins are genetically identical then why is the penetration rate not 100%? The answer is because the penetration rate is never 100% because, while the gene for Schizophrenia exists in both twins, all genes must be biologically activated in order for symptoms to emerge.

Looking at the above, wildly accepted study (which was published in one of the most respected, peer reviewed, and authoritative scientific journals in the world) it is explained that the penetration rate for homosexuality in identical twins is 52%. This is astounding because it is an even hire number than the penetration rate for Schizophrenia, a widely accepted genetic condition.

For autism, another condition that is widely understood to be genetic, the penetration rate for that gene is 60%. While this is slightly more (7%) than that of the homosexual gene, it still does not belittle the 52% number. Also, most journal articles allow for a very slender 1% to 5% (almost never more than 5%) margin of error. For almost all of these studies the p-value (likely hood of any error) is very low. In fact, anything with a p-value of .05 or less is definitively considered to be statistically significant. All of these articles posted (as is the standard for the American Journal of Psychiatry) are p < .05. (P is less than or equal to 5%)
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:21 AM
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92. So if an Easy Bake oven makes you gay, then what happens
when you bake a pineapple upside down cake in a gas powered barbecue grill? :crazy:
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:50 AM
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93. Sooo, all the male chefs in the world are Teh Homogayfaggots?
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 03:54 AM by DRoseDARs
Dude, your mom's brain is broken. If she's still under warranty, get her fixed before she starts yelling, "KHAAAN!!!" and attacks the kitchen appliances. :P

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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:17 AM
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97. Nah!
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 04:17 AM by GrpCaptMandrake
I'm sure it was the fact that all those fashionable clothes Mattel made for the Ken doll fit G.I. Joe, too.

Hell, one day you're an upstanding, god-fearing, furriner-killing death machine without a penis, and the next thing you know you've got the sleeves of a cable knit sweater wrapped around your neck and a tennis racquet in your kung-fu grip, hanging out in the Barbie DreamHouse with a female that has tits but no nipples and doesn't have a vagina. Who WOULDN'T be confused?!

If that kinda stuff won't make a little boy catch Teh Gay, nothin' will!
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peruban Donating Member (888 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:29 AM
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98. The only thing that easy bake oven could have done
Is give you an appreciation for the culinary arts. I'm stunned at lengths people go to explain homosexuality by denying that it's anything but another one of nature's curiosities.
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