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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:28 AM
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Wounded deer attacks hunter who shot him
SEDALIA, Mo. — A Sedalia hunter bagged a big buck on the second day of firearms season, but the kill caused him a lot of pain.

Forty-nine-year-old Randy Goodman said he thought two well-placed shots with his .270-caliber rifle had killed the buck on Nov. 19. Goodman said the deer looked dead to him, but seconds later the nine-point, 240-pound animal came to life.

The buck rose up, knocked Goodman down and attacked him with his antlers in what the veteran hunter called "15 seconds of hell." The deer ran a short distance and went down, and died after Goodman fired two more shots.

Soon Goodman started feeling dizzy and noticed his vest was soaked in blood.

So he reached his truck and drove to a hospital, where he received seven staples in his scalp and was treated for a slight concussion and bruises.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/02/wounded-deer-attacks-hunter-who-shot-him/

:rofl: Poetic justice. And no, I'm not anti-hunting.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:29 AM
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1. I support the right to arm bears
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:33 AM
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5. You've been put on the Theatdown.
As if bears weren't dangerous enough on their own.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:29 AM
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2. Well, it is more fair for the deer this way.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:46 PM
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59. No, fair would be if the hunter...
...could only use weapons that he fashioned by his own hand and wits and not standing on the knowledge and expertise of others.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:32 AM
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3. I'm not a huge fan of hunting but my opinion might change
if the animals could shoot back.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:33 AM
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4. Deer are dangerous animals and must be controlled
But good on that buck for getting in a few good licks. There will be many good stories told over venison meals.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:34 AM
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10. I'd like to think you left out your sarcasm thingie...
? "Deer are dangerous animals and must be controlled"
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:41 AM
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11. It's only half sarcasm - Many motorists die every year when they hit deer on our highways
Also, excessive hunting of predators like wolves and mountain lions has caused deer overpopulation in many areas.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:44 AM
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12. True... that...
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:56 AM
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17. Well, we're the ones with the cars, paving the highways, and excessively hunting their predators
Not as if the deer told us to build the cars, and build more highways into their habitat. They might like the hunting of their predators, but maybe they didn't read the fine print on that particular contract.
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DonEBrook Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:44 PM
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47. Not hunting. Destruction of predator habitat is the reason.
Wolves won't live in your back yard like deer will.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:57 PM
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49. Excessive, destructive and rampant "development"
has displaced the wild ones around here and they have nowhere to go. We feed the deer in our backyard, and the bears come by and tear up the compost bin looking for apples.

Its all for greed, because there are better ways of building. But what they do is take a quarter section and strip it bare of trees and bulldoze it right down to the riverside. Bang up cheap shacks nearly on top of each other then plant some sad shrubbery out of pots. They've destroyed any semblance of habitat for the animals and birds. The older places like ours with natural bush around are all that's left for them.

That the destruction is now winding down as the developers lose their shirts is the best thing to come out of this economic mess.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 09:54 PM
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63. It seems from your post that humans are dangerous animals and must be controlled
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:30 AM
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23. I'm sure that the deer, along with the rest of the natural world, feels
the same way about humanity.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:38 AM
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26. However, having killed most of the alpha predators
the deer population would grow to the point of starvation. Since thier predators have been killed off, that role falls to humans.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:39 PM
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45. Who still do it remarkably inefficiently. nt
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:21 PM
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50. in cases such as this
I would agree.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:33 AM
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6. As much as I...
...support hunting and gun rights....This is just fucking funny!!!

I will never cry for a hunter that is wounded by his prey. Only seems fair that they should win sometimes.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:33 AM
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7. What to say... what to say...
ok, I'll say nothing...
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:34 AM
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8. I came close to being gored by a deer once, dam near shot him
I was out walking with two of our dogs several years ago and was coming up a very steep hill in the woods. The dogs had run off and found a deer and were chashing him. It was a buck with a full rack and he was running in that hopping motion of theirs straight up the hill and straight at me. His head was down and I am sure he had no idea I was standing there but he was going to hit me antlers first. I had a pistol (.45 auto as I recall) and had it out but did not shoot and at the very last second the deer missed me by just inches and bound past. It really got my attention. I don't think the deer ever did actually see me.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:30 AM
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22. they hop like kangaroos
I was out birding with an Australian one day, and we saw a deer hopping away from us. The Aussie commented, "he jumps just like a kangaroo!" I thought it was a cool comment, and I wonder where the two species diverged in their ancestral tree, millions of years ago.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:37 PM
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54. What time of the year was it?
If it was in the fall, during the rut, male deer can be extremely dangerous. Need to keep an open eye for them, and stay out of their way. If they think you are intruding on their territory they will mess you up.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:34 AM
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9. "15 seconds of hell"
no picnic for the deer either. :-(
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:46 AM
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13. It was him or me!
:rofl:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:49 AM
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14. Let me tell you my story, how it is I am not a killer of anything anymore
as a kid it was necessary to hunt and kill to live but not so in my world today or when this incidence happened. Anyways this was some 30 or more years ago. I was tooling along in my truck on my way back from crappie fishing in a way out of the way place. For some reason I have a pellet rifle with me and it was pumped up and loaded so I decided to stick it out the window and fire the shot and about the time I was going to pull the trigger I seen a big redhead woodpecker land on a tree so I just pointed at him and shot. Well I only wounded him and he started trashing around causing a big commotion so I decided that since it was a cold and wet day that he would only die anyway so I stop, get out of my truck, reload the gun and go to 'finish the job' of killing him. Well the bird must have sensed what I was up to because he even with a wounded wing ran and hid from me, so here I go looking for the bird that I've just shot and made miserable and he was no where to be found. I finally give up and turn to go back to the truck, head down because I'm feeling pretty bad about that time and all of a sudden up out of a clump of leaves and brush there on the forest floor comes the wounded bird, gets in my face squawking like I'm never heard a woodpecker squawk before, letting me know that he was very unhappy with me. I fought him out of my face went to my truck got in and left, scratched and with a badly bruised psych. I had nightmares for a long time after that one. That was the last and will be the last living thing I have or will ever shoot with a gun. It was a moment so surreal that I still can see it unfold in my minds eye as I type this now. Now I feel sad just thinking about it as I should. Yes karma is a bitch

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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:53 AM
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16. Thanks for your story.
wow
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:31 AM
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24. What a horrible story.
I think your decision to give up hunting is the best thing that could come from that.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:14 PM
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30. Put up a bird feeder, or add one if you already have some up.
I went through a similar situation when I was alot younger. Feeding birds through winter is my way of trying to make amends for what I did.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:21 PM
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33. It was a life changing moment for me
Up to that point in time I didn't give it much thought but now I even worry about the bugs I kill on my windshield. :-(
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:25 PM
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52. That's a great story
Thanks. :D
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:52 AM
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15. So...the hunter becomes the hunted!
Come on, somebody had to say it. :P
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:57 AM
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18. But unfortunately, the deer lost in the end. That's too bad.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:34 AM
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25. True
I was reading the article hoping that he managed to get away. :(
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:19 PM
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32. Well, if he was wounded by the bullet he eventually would have died a slow, agonizing death
so it's probably good he didn't manage to get away at the end.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:04 AM
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19. I had a doe challenge my car once, as I was coming down the driveway.
She had her babies with her. I think I mostly just surprised her.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:24 PM
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34. I've had does with children make threatening moves toward me if I got
too close. They stamp their hooves and make a hissing sound like a cat.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:19 AM
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20. lol..."when animals FIGHT BACK"
You know, we humans think we are SOOOOOO superior, but we are just naked apes with weapons. If left to our own devices, the pumas, bears, coyotes, even the bunnies would have their way with us!
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:03 PM
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58. They do not get their way. We are the chief predator on
the planet. That naked bipedal nake ape became the alfa predator because we could make weapons.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:22 AM
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21. That makes the score this hunting season: Hunters 3,456,123.... Deer 1

It's getting closer.

;-)
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:42 AM
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29. I dont think you can really
cound that as a win for the deer.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:39 AM
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27. Good for the Deer!!! Hunters suck!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:34 PM
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43. How do you figure?
:wtf:
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DonEBrook Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:41 PM
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46. So did you kill that t-bone with your own bare hands, ironman?
:eyes:
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:39 AM
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28. I have always cheered for the underdog and...
...that is why I could never go hunting with my dad and brothers. Hell, I even had tears in my eyes as King Kong died. I think it is only fair that this guy got attacked.

Check out this video. It could have looked something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ousGdSSMzWI&feature=related
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:16 PM
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31. Good! At least that deer went down fighting and didn't make it easy for that hunter.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:40 PM
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73. Why is it good that a person was hurt?
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:29 PM
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35. We just had our first report of a hunter killed here in Ohio this year
for gun season. The dumbass fell out of his tree-stand. I think this is an unfair advantage for the hunters to park their asses up in a tree and wait for some unsuspecting animal to wander close. I can't help wonder if he was up there having a few too many Budweiser's...
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:32 PM
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36. Bambo: Second Blood
Too bad it didn't get away.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:35 PM
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40. ROFL
Almost lost my coffee. You're lucky lol.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:55 PM
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62. That.Is.FUNNY.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:34 PM
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37. While I don't take any joy in a person being hurt...
Nah, I'll just leave it there.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:34 PM
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38. good for the deer
He "thought" 2 well placed shots...what a moron. :eyes:

ONE well placed shot is what it takes to kill a deer properly. My Dad drilled this into my skull at a young age. He told me "you're not here to torture deer, you're here to bag meat, if you don't know 100% that your shot is going to immediately kill the deer, then you DON'T TAKE THE SHOT, PERIOD!!"

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:51 PM
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57. Your dad taught you right...
you should aim to drop that deer immediately. Not only is it more humane, but if it manages to run a bit its adrenaline gets pumping through its system, affecting meat taste.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:34 PM
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39. Go Deer!
Sorry but, fair is fair.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:40 PM
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41. good grief
he shot the thing 2 more times as it was running away? He's lucky he didn't pass out before he got to his truck. A sport is an activity where opposing sides follow the same rules. The deer didn't have a gun but at least he left before killing the guy. You guys
need a hobby.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:48 PM
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42. Maybe this is another deer defending Islam from attack, like the death of Emperor Basil I
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 12:49 PM by happyslug
Basil I of the Roman Republic (The name the country used itself, but referred to by Historians as the Byzantine Empire) was planning to attack the Moslems that held Palestine and Egypt at the time of his death. Basil I died from injuries when he had killed a deer, but then the deer attacked him, caught the Emperor's belt in the Deer's antlers and was dragged about 16 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_I

At the time of Basil I (867-889 AD) the Arabs were in rapid decline. The Arab Islamic Empire had peaked in size in 750 AD and in power around 700 AD and had been in decline ever since. By the time of Basil's rule the Arabs would have been easy pickings. The problem for Basil was while the Arabs in the Middle East were in rapid decline, the Moslems in North Africa and Spain were at the height of their power, attacking Sicily and Southern Italy (both part of the Byzantine Empire). At the same time, Armenia was the biggest threat in the east (And ended up invading the empire and Basil having to defeat them). A third problem was the decline of the Franks. The Franks were still powerful but this was the time of the division of Charlemagne Empire into the three Kingdoms, which made it open to attacks from the sea from North African and Spain. The biggest problem for Basil I was he was an upstart (i.e. he had killed his way to the Throne) and his son and heir hated him (The Son, Leo was a product of Basil's wife who at the time of his conception was the mistress of the Emperor Basil I had killed). Basil I had a stable empire at the time of his death and seems to have plans to conquest Palestine and Egypt. His death was suspicious, but timely (Basil I also thought it was a plot to kill him, ordering the aide who saved him from the deer killed as having trying to kill Basil I).

Byzantine-Moslem wars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine-Arab_Wars_(780%E2%80%931180)

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:36 PM
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44. Deer are notorious tweakers. He was probably high.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 04:52 PM
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48. This makes me so happy
Sad about the deer, but I love that the hunter experienced 15 seconds of hell. Wonder if he'll continue hunting....probably will...with a vengeance.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:38 PM
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71. Why would a person being hurt make you happy? n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:23 PM
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51. Pity the deer didn't have his own
.270 caliber rifle. Then we would have had real fun. :rofl:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:29 PM
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53. Karma. nt
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:54 PM
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61. Ya beat me to it.......
my post was going to be "Karma, ain't it a bitch?"
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:08 AM
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66. :)
:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:47 PM
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55. too bad he didn't kill the cowardly bastard
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:39 PM
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72. What makes the person who got hurt a "cowardly bastard?" n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 06:50 PM
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56. Seems like every deer season there's a new story of a hunter getting surprised
by a deer he thought was dead...until...AAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH...
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:52 PM
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60. When I was say, 8 years old..
I was wandering through the woods near this beach house my family had just built right on Chesepeake bay. I stumbled upon a clearing where I discovered a herd (?) of deer relaxing in the sun. First of all, it was one of the most awe inspiring sight my eight year old eyes had ever seen. Then I realized I was standing within twenty feet of a bunch of wild animals that could surely end my life if they had so desired.
I admired their beauty for a few seconds, then ran home to tell my family what had occurred. :rofl:


Now, if I had brought a gun with me and tried to kill them all, i'd say they would have been pretty damn justified in trying to rip my guts out. no sympathy at all for this hunter.
Takes a real man to shoot a defenseless animal for sport.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:04 PM
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64. Someone Can Choose To Be For Or Against Hunting. NO ONE Should Choose To Be For Seeing A Human
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 10:06 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
being hurt.

Those cheering because a hunter got hurt are disgraceful in my opinion. Just because someone is against hunting doesn't mean they should be cold enough to condone the suffering of a human being. No sane justification for that.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:15 PM
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65. Thank you for bringing some common sense in here.
Too bad the man didn't get a clean single shot to put the dear down. In case you people dont know, a buck can easily gore a human to death.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:26 AM
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67. The deer was justified in its actions
The human was trying to kill it. The deer gave him 15 minutes of hell and left him alone. Then the hunter killed him anyway.
Why is it acceptable to derive joy out of animal suffering, but not acceptable to have a chuckle when an animal defends itself?
Nothing wrong with being content when justice is served.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:34 AM
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68. Oh poor human
I'm not against hunting because I eat meat but I have no sympathy for someone that gets attacked by the animal he or she is hunting. Now the deer died and you're concerned about the laughing because a human was attacked by the animal he was attacking? He is no more special then that deer, we are all creatures and breathe the same air(some animals are different)
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:40 PM
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77. "He is no more special then that deer"
Are you any more special than those animals you pay someone else to kill for you?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:56 PM
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76. I guess I'm really a bad person then.
The only bull fight I ever went to in my life, I found myself cheering the bull when one of them got the best of the matador. This is a cruel sport and I don't relish watching some one get gored but the bull fighter chose to get into the ring. The bull didn't. The hunter chose to put himself in harm's way by stalking and shooting a creature who just wanted to get laid and live another day like everyone else. That creature only had his strength and antlers to defend himself. The hunter had a high powered rifle. It wasn't a fair match.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:38 AM
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69. What would've happened if the deer had killed the hunter and lived?
Would Mr. Buck hang the unfortunate hunter's blaze orange cap on his favorite rutting tree as a souvenir?
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JimboBillyBubbaBob Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:10 PM
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70. Wow...
I thought the tale would end with the deer wearing a suicide bomb vest and taking out the hunter. I guess we're not there yet.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:42 PM
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74. in this video the deer wins....
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:46 PM
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75. I've always wondered about small caliber hunting rifles.
In my area, (for whatever reason) few hunt with anything smaller than 30-30, and more commonly 30-06.

Four shots is inhumane.
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