What the Hell is going on with Levi's commercials?

[EnviroBat]

If I ever saw one of their latest ad executives in public, I'd punch a dent in their face. The only "message" I'm seeing from these ad's are,

"C'mon kids, take your pants off. Wherever, whenever, just get naked and screw..."

I think one of the ones I saw recently was these two little "super-models" break into someones apartment and start going at each other. To me, that's a first-class invitation to a skinny kid ass kicking. What the fuck are these assholes trying to convey to young, dumb, impressionable sheeple these days? Fer Chrissake! I'm not that old, or P.C., and even I find these commercials offensive. "Live Unbuttoned"? Button your fucking pants, or I'll put my foot in you ass!

rant off...

[arcadian]

1. Fuck yeah

:shrug:

[derby378]

2. You're not supposed to think that, silly consumer...

You're supposed to watch the daring club girl unbutton her jeans and go "Mmmm, panties..." as you realize just how daring she and her boyfriend are as they break into the house of a cop. Oooh, aren't they just so precocious?

I think I'll place another order to Union Jeans, instead. Damn good jeans - made in the USA by union labor.

[EnviroBat]

12. See there? You get it.

:applause:

[derby378]

23. Thanks!

There's also Diamond Cut Jeans, which are perfect for some body types and still headquartered in Texas. Only problem is that all the actual sewing is now done in Mexico.

[endarkenment]

3. What? Sex sells? Are you kidding me?

If you don't like the ads don't buy the products. I find almost all commercials offensive, but it usually isn't the crazy over the top ads that piss me off.

[okieinpain]

4. sex sales. n/t.

[TroglodyteScholar]

212. ...?

[LeftHander]

5. Maybe the idea is if we are a little less uptight....

about sex....maybe people would be happier.

Oh and kids these days will drop trow at at the...drop of a hat.

[okieinpain]

8. I'm not uptight about sex, but I don't need to have it thrown in my

face while I'm waiting for my tv show to come back on.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. You're freaking out over televised jeans commercials.

Sounds pretty uptight to me.

[derby378]

17. Bill Hicks summed it up quite nicely in this monologue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiMw1Q65d4

[Cults4Bush]

202. I miss him at least once a week :)

"Suck Satans Cooooock!"... even has me giggling as I type it.

[okieinpain]

24. no not really, i have a choice in weather to watch something racy

or not but it's not the same with commercials. they just pop on and take a crap in your home then disappear. I don't get a choice in which ones I want to watch.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. "I don't get a choice in which ones I want to watch."

Sure you do, it's called the "off button."

[DutchLiberal]

63. Dutch tv has commercials to order prostitutes by phone...

So quit complaining!

And yes, this is a true story. On commercial tv stations (which doesn't mean it's pay-tv), after about 11 PM, commercials pop up with images of nude girls whom you can call to have sex! Some of them are called "home shopping".

Now THAT is annoying. And you complain about a jeans commercial?

[nolabels]

88. Everything in context, don't you know

Heck, sometimes even just some syrupy woman country music singer can drive you up a wall if you end up having to listen to it enough.
Forcing your crew to tie you to the mast as the ship passes through the sea of sirens is more than just metaphoric :shrug:

[ProfessorGAC]

98. Yeah That Overstock Commercial Makes Me Jump For The Remote

Crappy song sung sappily in a commercial that takes 30 when it could have taken 10.

Now that i've sat through it, i can't switch it fast enough now.
The Professor

[conscious evolution]

159. Italy has the same thing

Late night... uh... 'info'mercials.

Sure beats Girls Gone Wild commercials every five minutes.

[Deja Q]

46. Peer pressure sells too. If you were with your peers, you were popular.

Which explains why a gaggle of 17 old girls made a pact to get pregnant together, how two teenage girls, would want to get knocked up, and so on.

Sex is one thing. Context is another. and I will not ignore stereotypes and their impact on peer pressure either. While we're being "liberal", forget mentioning relevant contexts and we end up with anarchy. We claim to care about others, but the usual gibber of throwing out condoms DOES help enforce "as long as I wear this, it doesn't matter and neither does the other person and their feelings".

And I will not apologize.

[EnviroBat]

48. Right on!

:hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Thanks for the wonderful example.

"Which explains why a gaggle of 17 old girls made a pact to get pregnant together"

It turned out the whole thing was not true. Several girls happened to get pregnant, they promised each other moral support in their pregnancies. Crazy, whacko principal hatched a story about a "pact" and all the knee jerk prudes ran away with the story.

[PeaceNikki]

60. That "pact" was proven to be bullshit.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008013885_pact24.html

[Quantess]

123. Are you saying you don't like condom hand-outs?

Interesting. I never thought I'd see that viewpoint on DU.

[Kalyke]

179. No - he's saying that he's for some education about sex and feelings

and responsibility along with the hand-outs.

[LeftHander]

11. no one forcing you to watch TV....

turn the damn thing off...and take off your pants.

lol

[okieinpain]

21. now see I have a choice in the shows I watch, I don't complain

about the sex in true blood, or the violence in the shield because I'm fully warned that those things are to be expected. so see if there are kids in the room I do not watch those things. but commercials are a crap shoot.

[Chulanowa]

139. Do what I do

Stick to the movie channels :)

Well... when I ever watch TV, that is. between work, youtube, my DVD collection, and a spare drive full of movies, the TV doesn't get much use except for background noise when pandora radio is down...

[Captain Hilts]

222. There is an appropriate time and place for everything. And Levi's has violated this.

I agree with you.

[DutchLiberal]

57. That's a fucking good idea!

[d_b]

6. no pics?

x(

[uppityperson]

7. Note to self, when breaking & entering, when mugging, wear Levi's since the victim will

gaze at you in rapturous lust. "I don't know officer, all I could see was her ass in those Levi's".

[blondeatlast]

9. While I'm not anti-TV (watch if you want to, doesn't bug me at all)

I have seen that one and it did piss me off.

Apparently encouraging anti-social behavior is Madison Avenue's kul noo mktg 2L 2 b w/ hipsters. I've seen a few commercials that really bug me as the mom of an 11 year old boy--even while he's watching programs I approve of.

[EnviroBat]

15. I think that's what get me about these ad's

We're all "Up in arms" about teen pregnancy, yet many of the kids in these ad's are pretty much just that. Kids. The recent one I saw where the "kids" were taking their clothes off to go swimming, (read fornicating), appear to be no more than 16. I know it goes on, and as a parent there's not much you can do to prevent it. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. But I don't need fucking Levi's pushing the issue.

[orleans]

40. any ads online? on youtube? can you post a link? n/t

[EnviroBat]

43. Here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk5sBagFzB4

[orleans]

75. wow--where are you seeing these commercials? i guess i don't watch

the right stations.

i certainly wouldn't want a young child seeing it. too provocative.

[Quantess]

124. Young children might not "get it".

The kids you wouldn't want seeing it are the ones who are just starting to understand.

[Control-Z]

146. And that one is mild

in comparison to the one the OP is talking about.

[Hannah Bell]

97. child porn.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

134. LOL

"child porn"

:rofl:

[Common Sense Party]

233. I saw that one once. It's crap.

The few times we watch TV, I turn the sound down and I often switch over to another station so my kids won't see the constant barrage of messages. It's not just the sex, it's also the "you're a loser if you don't have one of these!" ads.

[EnviroBat]

45. Oh, and here's the really annoying one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S83u8eQ6acA&feature=related

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. My god!

I can see her bare elbows!

[orleans]

74. omg! where the hell did you see this?

yep--i'm a bit surprised/shocked/taken aback/

[Frank Cannon]

90. They usually show it during "Romper Room" and "Davey and Goliath"

It's an outrage, I tell you.

[orleans]

211. romper room? is that show still on? i waited for YEARS for that bitch

to SAY MY NAME!

[Frank Cannon]

223. Me too. I used to wave my arms desperately at the TV...

in hopes that I could catch her attention. She never did say my name.

I'm thinking that whole thing was a scam.

[orleans]

225. a total scam! someone should crack it wide open and expose

romper room for what it *really* was. something tells me a lot of what has gone on over the past several years would pale by comparison.





"magic mirror" my ass! ("romper bomper stomper boo")

[Frank Cannon]

226. It's just one way the corporate media conditions us to swallow horseshit

Once you have the little yard apes convinced that the nice lady can see them through the television screen, it's just a short step to having them believe in WMDs in Iraq and the credibility of "no-bid" contracts.

[mitchum]

232. My mom had to send in 50 bucks before my name was said...

Miss Ann had her price

[Hekate]

92. Holy shit! What are these people thinking?!

I am truly disgusted at Levi's ad department; other than that, words kind of fail me.

Hekate
no, I'm not your maiden aunt

[Common Sense Party]

234. Someone should lose their job over this garbage. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

96. yuk. creepy.

[Marrah_G]

105. yeah that is over the top- unless it's late in the evening.

[EnviroBat]

106. Yep, I kinda thought so too.

And I'm a complete horn dog. But that commercial makes me think "WTF? Couldn't I be arrested for watching this stuff?"

[Control-Z]

157. My jaw was on the floor

after I first saw this one on TV over the Thanksgiving weekend.

I have a 15 YO daughter who argues about what is appropriate with me. The last thing I need is an ad like this saying it's sexy and cool to lie, break into someone's home, and have sex with a stray homeless guy. (And this is not a statement about the homeless - an issue for which I have great concern.)

[DutchLiberal]

229. Innocent.

[DutchLiberal]

67. Nothing wrong with 16 year olds having sex. What's wrong is...

not educating 16 year olds about condoms, the pill, birth control, aids etc.

[PeaceNikki]

72. Really... "fornicating"?

:rofl:

[mondo joe]

79. I loved fornicating when I was 16.

I liked it rather a lot later too.

Is that a problem?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

82. I love fornincating.

I did when I was 16 and my kids will too, I'm sure. As long as they use protection, I will have no problem with it.

[EnviroBat]

102. Cool.

Do you see a fucking condom ad anywhere in the Levi's commercial? Anywhere? Cause I must have missed it.

Some of you people are fucking ridiculous.

[mondo joe]

103. Did you think contraceptive education was the responsibility of Levi's?

Have you taught your kids anything about it?

[EnviroBat]

109. Do you think promoting sex was the responsibility of Levi's?

Nice try though. But you fail...

[mondo joe]

110. Sex promotes itself. Levi's is just along for the ride. Or did you think teens wouldn't

think to have sex without this commercial?

[conscious evolution]

165. Levis did have a condom ad once.

Back in the mid 90's there was an ad campaign featuring condoms and the watch pocket.Something along the lines of "The watch pocket.Invented in 1800(?).Misused ever since." coupled with an image of a girl putting a condom in the pocket.

[DutchLiberal]

228. It's your duty as a parent to teach them about condoms.

Levi sells pants, not condoms.

Now WHO is being 'fucking ridiculous'?

[LeftHander]

13. best times ever shortly after unbuttoning levis.....

take off your pants and DANCE!!

WOOO HOOOO!!!

lol

[amdezurik]

14. you say that like it's a bad thing...

:P

[EnviroBat]

19. Yeah, it's a bad thing when your 15 y.o. daughter comes home

knocked up. Thank Levi's for that one.

[okieinpain]

27. that and when her peers expect her to behave that way or she's

a square. my 26 year old daughter was complaining about this after visiting the relatives over the holidays. "you better get you a man" blah, blah, blah.....

[sandnsea]

30. lol, no, that would be your fault

For not making sure she has access to birth control when she decides she's ready for sex, whether it's when she's wearing jeans or wearing a prom dress.

[Deja Q]

51. Quite. And as much as everyone wants to blame the parents*, let me edify the dunderheads:

Peer pressure does far more to children where parents, no matter how hard they try, cannot reach.

Unless kids are reminded the difference between what's thrown out in the media and how sex should be dealt with, kids will blindly think the media is the sole reality.

I wish I had the words to better my case, but meanwhile let's all go back to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x246110
Amongst other shallow and brainlessly written videos, pamphlets, product inserts, et cetera, that would otherwise play into stereotypes rather than encouraging breaking them.

Sex should be more than just getting one's jollies off, wearing a doggie balloon or otherwise. Respect for others; do we as Democrats no longer care about each other? Apparently not. The new mantra is "Wham, bam, thanks much and get tested for every disease and critter every 6 months." And then wonder why disease rates and pregnancies (unwanted or irresponsibly obtained) keep going up, D-U-friggin'-H.


And, what the heck, I'll add this:
:popcorn:


* Depending on the parents and how they act around their children, some parents deserve more blame than others. That's a case by case argument, but peer pressure and the media ARE legitimate factors and rarely, if ever, get mentioned.

[PeaceNikki]

64. I'd rather kids be subjected to "suggestive" sexual ads than the desentization of violence.

Sex is not bad.

[mondo joe]

81. "Sex should be"... whatever the consenting partners want it to be. And none of your business,

unless you're one of them.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

83. You sound bitter about something.

Plus, you are using Republican Fundie language.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

136. He's got Bender as his avatar.

The boozing, purse snatching, robot hooker pimping robot from a televised cartoon.

Thus, he's not to be taken seriously on this issue.

[conscious evolution]

167. Hypno a fundie?

:rofl:

[amdezurik]

53. not even close

if you don't think this has been happening for the last 10-20,000 years or so, just take a recent example (relativly) when a young girl came to her father and said unto him "lo, pops I art lateith, and it was an angel who did it, yeah THAT's the ticket!".

Sex is not a bad thing if you give them the info they need early and make sure they are never ever in an abstinece only program.

[PeaceNikki]

62. If you think your daughter can get pregnant from a Levi's commercial

you're doing it wrong.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. Tell that to my blind, hairy-palmed child.

She just bought a pair of denim shorts and look what happened to her.

[PeaceNikki]

66. CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!11!!1!!

Jesus, I can't believe how uptight some people are. Sex and love and people loving one another is NOT a bad thing, ffs.

[DutchLiberal]

68. If your daughter has sex because she watched a Levi's commercial...

You failed as a parent.

Stop blaming all of society's faults on television.

[mondo joe]

78. Are you really going to blame Levis for your daughter not knowing about birth control?

[Forkboy]

126. Funny shit, isn't it?

[Forkboy]

125. No, thank lousy parents for that one.

Way to dodge responsibility for your daughter.

[Ignis]

195. Forsooth, sir, have ye not heard of sheepskins?

:eyes:

Don't want your kids to get pregnant? Give them Sex Ed and free condoms.

[LaurenG]

16. Levi's sells pants you want to take off?

Kids already know that's what they want to do as do adults. May as well have a pair of pants that make you look so good someone wants to take them off of you. :sarcasm: :silly:

[AngryOldDem]

18. I HATE that commercial.

Even now, it's still a jaw-dropper.

[leftofthedial]

20. goddamned kids these days

hrumphh.

In my day, we wore our levis ABOVE our butt crack and kept them buttoned.

We did kick some skinny kids' asses, but that had nothing to do with our levis.

hrrumphh.

[DonEBrook]

22. I really need pictures to study this uh, problem.

:D

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

25. When I saw that commercial last night I just knew it was Levis's

Maby I've seen the likes of them I can spot them.

[sandnsea]

26. Hey, get your mind out of the gutter!

They went swimming for chrissake. The problem is YOU, not the commercial.

[okieinpain]

28. nah it's not him they could have did a commerical that implied

swimming. no they went for the sex angle.

[sandnsea]

29. Because it's funny

Old people always think that's all young people are thinking about, don't you remember? You couldn't do anything without your parents being worried you were going to have sex. This is just a take-off on that, it's funny.

[EnviroBat]

37. Yeah, I'm just laughing my ass off at how far in the gutter has

become "normally acceptable" these days. And no, I'm not old...

[Celeborn Skywalker]

84. I'm glad these things are more acceptable.

It shows that we, as a society, are mature enough to handle the human body. Europe has way worse commercials than these.

[hedgehog]

31. Mandetory comment regretting that Americans are not as mature about

public displays of sexuality as Europeans.

[DutchLiberal]

69. Heh heh heh!

:)

[TwilightGardener]

32. Really love watching that stupid commercial in front of my

adolescent sons. Nice and embarrassing. Gack. I share your rant.

Forgot to add: the Axe cologne/body wash ads are even worse.

[EnviroBat]

39. I agree, except the "Chocolate Guy" one. That's just creepy,

but I love the song that's playing in the commercial.

[hunter]

181. I think it's funny watching stuff like this with my teens. I must be cruel.

It's complete torture for them. They really really want to identify with those kids jumping into the lake in their underwear, but it's like "Bleccccccccchhhhhhhhhh! This is so embarrassing with my parents sitting here in the room! OMG."

You can almost hear the gears in their heads grinding against one another, like trying to jam a car into "park" while it's still rolling.

I haven't seen the wayward house sitter commercial with them, but I'd probably say something like "I sure hope they brought condoms."

My parents were never afraid to talk about sex. Even as little kids my siblings and I understood the mechanics of sex, and we knew adults thought it was fun. We knew about birth control and STDs and quite a bit about relationships long before adolescence addled our brains.

None of us got into trouble with our sexuality. My mom was a lot more worried about us riding motorcycles then she was about sex.

At the age of the kids in the Levis commercial, I'd jumped into lakes a few times with girls, wearing our underwear or less, and it never ended with sex. Nudity was mostly silliness. The great terror of being a guy at that age is that you will start thinking about sex too much and everyone will know it, most especially the girl who is trying to provoke it. Teenage guys really don't like to be so utterly powerless.

So far it looks like my wife and I have done a good job teaching our kids about sex, most especially thanks to my wife who has no trouble at all talking about any aspect of sex and sexuality. My kids most common reaction to sex talks these days is "Way... Too... Much... Information!" and if they think they know enough already they probably do.

[TwilightGardener]

188. Eh, I'm the opposite. I don't mind discussing plumbing and health issues

related to sex with them (I was a nurse, after all), but watching scenes of a sexual nature in movies and on TV when we're all together...pretty embarrassing all around. Most of the time I'll say something like "Geez Louise, put some clothes on, lady" or some such little joke. I'm old-fashioned, can't help it.
Edit to add: my worst anticipated nightmare as an adolescent was "the talk" from my parents--it ended up involving nothing more than hygiene and menstruation, thank God.

[Warpy]

33. The other one is better

Two attractively skinny teenagers break from a clinch on a dock, start to fight their way out of their Levis and......

Jump into the lake.

It's one of those "What the HELL were they thinking?" ads that has a twist at the end.

[sandnsea]

34. That's the one I saw

Ther's another one? I think it's funny.

[MineralMan]

35. I saw that one

and I thought it was great. Nice work in such a short sketch.

Made me remember skinny-dipping with my best friend when we were 13. We're still friends. Never did get involved with each other. She and I just hung out a lot, starting at about age 6.

[Romulox]

36. I'm pretty sure that's the one with the Mark Lanegan/Isabella Campbell song.

:wow:

[Javaman]

38. Hey you!! yeah, you!!! get off my lawn!!!! nt

[NashVegas]

42. They've Got to Get Around the Fact They're Now Outsourced CRAP

And everyone knows it.

[Deja Q]

44. Well, "we're a sexual species." So don't have standards, compassion, respect for others, or anything

Just fuck until you get blisters all over your skin and drop dead.

THAT is what people seem to want.

Why stop them as long as the rest of us know better and steer clear of it?

[EnviroBat]

47. Humpy Holidays!

[Celeborn Skywalker]

85. I think you need to get laid.

It'll help with the bitterness.

[Forkboy]

127. "Just fuck until you get blisters all over your skin and drop dead."

I'd hate to see how you fuck.

[mondo joe]

132. I don't think you'll ever have to worry about that.

[Goblinmonger]

52. Here

Here is the horrible skinny dipping one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXSZEE3BNI&feature=related

Can't find the apartment one.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Kicking for the evening crowd.

K&R

[Greyhound]

55. No TV, no idea what you're talking about. A link or a pic would be appreciated. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. Hide you pets, children, and unmarried furniture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S83u8eQ6acA&feature=related

It's downright awful.

[DutchLiberal]

71. Er... is this it? I expected a really sleazy, dirrrrrty ad...

It's just dull.

Now I'm disappointed.

[Greyhound]

112. Nothing compared to Dutch TV, eh? The biggest difference I see between

this and the crap I was fed, is that it's sexy to be scrawny and broke. Pre-conditioning for the near future...

[Greyhound]

108. Thanks. It's nice to be reminded every now and then that I'm not missing anything.

Seems every bit as stupid as the other "annually infamous" ad campaign.

The filler between commercials is as offensive as ever?

[DutchLiberal]

56. I didn't even see the commercial, and I'm already okay with it....

If it leads to your kind of reactionary replies, it MUST be okay. Reading your message is like listening to Bill O'Reilly and his 'cultural warriors'. Some people just NEED to get over themselves.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. lulz

This is a great thread.

Reminds me of the one about penguins.

[DutchLiberal]

70. Penguins? I'm intrigued. Got a link?

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Then you have not seen the commercial

In order

Breaking and Entering

Property damage

And the sex is not what I have a problem with by the way.

Just like a rental car company that claims that the renter can choose any car in the aisle and gets engaged in ...

Assault, possibly with a deadly weapon

[EnviroBat]

111. Ahhh, you get it!

Finally another person on this thread without their head up their ass. someone who doesn't think "Aw to hell with it, my kid will take care of themselves."

There are some funny addendum's to that commercial I wish I could have made.

the guy: - "I'm really not hung like a horse..."
the girl: - "That's ok, I'm not really a girl..."

[mondo joe]

113. Of course kids won't "take care of themselves". It's your job to tak care of them,

and prepare them to take care of themselves.

TV isn't your friend, your co-parent or your nanny.

[EnviroBat]

115. So then you're agreeing with me...

You're right, "TV isn't your friend..." And why is that? Because of commercials, and other BS that is promoted via television?

Thanks again for re-enforcing my point.

[mondo joe]

116. I don't expect TV advertisers to be my friend or to raise my kids. My kids know

what advertisements are.

If your kids think TV ads are a guide to how to live, that's your doing.

[Forkboy]

131. Stop expecting tv to raise your kids and do it yourself.

Problem solved.

[mondo joe]

133. Agreed. And the salient point here, IMO, is to teach your kids about

sex and birth control before they can get make babies, and to teach them that advertising is a strategy to make you think you want to buy things.

[Forkboy]

135. Exactly. The OP has a clear teaching moment and is blowing it, which only makes his fear more likely

[EnviroBat]

152. You're hilarious Dr. Phil.

But keep it up, it's entertaining watching you make a complete ass out of yourself.

[Forkboy]

154. Afraid to talk to your kids about sex?

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

161. That's probably for the best.

[EnviroBat]

163. Send your daughter over.

You don't seem all that concerned about her getting knocked up.

[Forkboy]

166. Why, are you looking to fuck her or something?

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

173. Buy some Levi's. They lead to babies.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

185. Why am I not surprised?

[EnviroBat]

187. Well because the act of being suprised or astonished,

or even curious for that matter requires a certain level of intellect that is clearly lacking in your case.

Want to be an asshole too? No problem.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

189. See through phony bluster also requires level of intellect.

"Want to be an asshole too? No problem."

"Dost thou not suspect my place? dost thou not
suspect my years? O that he were here to write me
down an asshole! But, masters, remember that I am an
asshole; though it be not written down, yet forget not
that I am an asshole. No, thou villain, thou art full of
prudery, as shall be proved upon thee by good witness.
I am a wise fellow, and, which is more, an officer,
and, which is more, a householder, and, which is
more, as pretty a piece of flesh in a pair of Levis as any is in
Messina, and one that knows the law, go to; and a
rich fellow enough, go to; and a fellow that hath
had losses, and one that hath two gowns and every
thing handsome about him. Bring him away. O that
I had been writ down an asshole!"

[EnviroBat]

190. That's beautiful man...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

192. No, it's trash.

It involves lots of people having sex. Very inappropriate for other people's children.

[EnviroBat]

193. Awesome!

[mondo joe]

199. That's what I keep wondering. The OP sounds utterly unaware of

having any ability to talk with kids, and seems to think he or she has no responsibility.

[hunter]

119. WTF? Maybe he picked her up in a place where girls are not girls?

And guys are not guys... so what?


I met her in a club down in old Soho
where you drink champagne and it tastes just like Cherry Cola
C-O-L-A Cola.
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance.
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said, "Lola"
L-O-L-A Lola, lo lo lo Lola
Well, I'm not the world's most physical guy,
but when she squeesed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola, lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola
Well, I'm not dumb but I can't understand
why she walks like a woman and talks like a man
Oh my Lola, lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola
Well, we drank champagne and danced all night,
under electric candlelight,
she picked me up and sat me on her knee,
She said, "Little boy won't you come home with me?"
Well, I'm not the world's most passionate guy,
but when I looked in her eyes,
I almost fell for my Lola,
Lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola
I pushed her away. I walked to the door.
I fell to the floor. I got down on my knees.
I looked at her, and she at me.
Well that's the way that I want it to stay.
I always want it to be that way for my Lola.
Lo lo lo Lola.
Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls.
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world,
except for Lola. Lo lo lo Lola. Lo lo lo Lola.
Well I left home just a week ago,
and I never ever kissed a woman before,
Lola smiled and took me by the hand,
she said, "Little boy, gonna make you a man."
Well I'm not the world's most masculine man,
but I know what I am and that I'm a man,
so is Lola.
Lo lo lo Lola. Lo lo lo Lola.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsnqQHOwFg

[DutchLiberal]

121. If you blame society's faults on tv, YOU'RE the one with your head up your ass...

[nadinbrzezinski]

155. Well you are having the issue with the sex... I am having an issue with

the breaking and entering and property damage

The sex does not bother me and it is time this country grows up in that sense and stops seeing this as a forbidden fruit

Just like I have a problem with the car commercial... involving assault with a deadly weapon

[DutchLiberal]

120. I said I didn't see it... But in the meantime, I did... It's boring, really...

Commercials, like most things on tv, are fiction. If kids can't distinguish between fiction and reality, that's the fault of the parents. Don't blame tv for all of society's faults. That's sooooo 1990's.

[nadinbrzezinski]

162. So is raising kids as a community effort... that went out of style 30 years ago or so

I know...

That said, commercials are fiction, I WRITE fiction... and MOST kids can distinguish between that and reality.... that said, the TREND of having commercials where crimes occur and it's ok is a problem... just like there is a problem with the glorification of war in the media...

By the way... I have no issue with the sex... time for this country to get over its puritan past.

But I have a problem with breaking and entering, I have a problem with assault... that is two commercials, one for jeans, the other for a car rental company.

You ok with that? Or are we just too damn puritan about that too? And we should have no issues with the projection of crime as a cool thing...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

183. "But I have a problem with breaking and entering, I have a problem with assault... "

Boy. You must really get upset at Three Stooges shorts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

198. Three stooges are not doing this to be cool

they were doing it for ahem COMEDY and COMEDIC effect

Neither commercial is in that category

Like apples and oranges, but I am sure you knew that

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

200. So you're saying assaulting people is OK if it's funny? You're sick.

But seriously...

"Neither commercial is in that category"

Actually, yeah, the "crimes" in the commercials are comedy. Not particularly funny, but they're not actually supporting the crime of breaking and entering.

[nadinbrzezinski]

201. No, it may not be right but do point to me anybody who

actually got hurt during a skid?

And what they were doing is known as PHYSICAL COMEDY

You do know the difference?

And the commercials don't even reach the level of comedy, even bad one

And yes I guess I am sick


:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

I can tell the difference. Try it sometime

Oh and what the three stooges did goes back to Greece... and an ignoramus called Aristotle actually tried to explain it in his poetics

In fact the elements of story telling are in those skids... try it sometime

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

203. A skid?

"Oh and what the three stooges did goes back to Greece... and an ignoramus called Aristotle actually tried to explain it in his poetics"

Having sex on other people's property also goes back to Greece.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

205. Sex does not bother me, try to keep up

it is the actual crimes involved...

which are made to look cool, that is the problem

Readying comprehension?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

206. "it is the actual crimes involved..."

Nonsense.

There is no more crime in the Levi's "skid" then in any three stooges "skid."

[nadinbrzezinski]

207. Breaking and entering

property damage

They are implied...

Try to keep up

By the way some folks have this amazing need to defend the media at all costs... I have to wonder why?

I work in it, and I don't see that need.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

208. Yes, yes, the stooges frequently committed breaking and entering and property damage.

I can't remember how many evening parties they ruined.

"By the way some folks have this amazing need to defend the media at all costs... I have to wonder why?"

Some people have to defend prudery no matter how absurd they make themselves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

210. You can't read, can you?

Let me repeat this for you... in caps, perhaps bold and italics will drive the point home

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SEX. THE US IS WAY TOO PURITAN IN THAT RESPECTS AND IT NEEDS TO GROW UP. BUT A COMPANY DOES NOT NEED TO USE IMPLIED CRIMES TO SELL PRODUCT. SEX... OF COURSE... SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME AND MARKETING AND FOR FUCK'S FACE YOU WANT REALLY "RACY" ADDS, WATCH SOME EUROPEAN TEEVEE.. BUT USING BREAKING AND ENTERING IN THE ADD IS NOT NECESSARY TO SELL PRODUCT<. THEY ARE MAKING BREAKING AN ENTERING COOL... GOT IT? HOW BADLY HAS SEX BEEN USED TO SELL PRODUCT? LOOK FOR A MARLBORO PACK, FOR EXAMPLE, AND DECODE THE SEXUAL MESSAGE... WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET AND WHO THE FUCK CARES. BUT BREAKING AND ENTERING ARE TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL./b>

Got it now, or are you that dense? Or do you REALLY need to defend the media? It seems you do.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

213. I don't believe you.

Taking issue with this ad because of "breaking and entering" is absurd.

I think you really take issue with the sex, and the rest is a red herring.

[nadinbrzezinski]

214. That my dear is your problem, your issue

not mine

I think we are done here...

You came with your preconceptions and when shown you were wrong you bring this red herring... don't believe you... cute

On the bright side you made the top ten of unrigging amazing answers on DU since I started posting... that is impressive.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

215. Yet I'm not the one upset about a sexy jeans commercial.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

217. Will it make it better if I tell you that National Rental Car has issues as well?

In their case it was... ready... ASSAULT... and in that one... no sex anywhere.

(And if you read the first post on this issue on this threat you'd have a reference to THAT COMMERCIAL as well)

Ye who are blind, and leading horses to water come to mind

[DutchLiberal]

227. It's done in the movies all the time. Should we stop making movies?

Ever watched 'The Godfather'? Or 'The Sopranos'? Or... (insert random title here) I have watched them all and I don't feel the need to lead a gangster's life.

What's next after we censor tv? Music? Remember, after Columbine all those people said it was somehow Marilyn Manson's fault. Let's ban him. Let's do the PMRC hearings again.

[sufrommich]

59. lol! Great rant! nt

[hunter]

73. She didn't break into their apartment. She was taking care of the kitty while they were away...

:yoiks:

[tomreedtoon]

77. So Levi's are just a shipping container?

Their whole existence is just to get someone to your door so you can get them naked and have sex with them? Levi's are the Fed Ex of clothes?

You wonder why American business is failing? It's not simply that Detroit makes crappy cars. It's ad campaigns like this one that only incidentally promote the stuff they're trying to sell. Like putting Britney Spears in a Pepsi ad - Pepsi isn't sex, especially not cheap preteen sex, it's a soft drink. Sheesh.

[Fumesucker]

86. Ads are very carefully crafted with the help of psychologists..

They aren't designed to work on your intellect, they are designed to work on the emotions, much more difficult to ignore for most people.

Obviously this ad has garnered an emotional response from some viewers.

[tomreedtoon]

117. Yes, but the ad's statement is so contradictory.

The important thing is to sell the jeans. If the whole driving force is to discard the jeans, why wear jeans in the first place? I fully expect Lewis Black to talk about this, and to suggest that instead of wearing jeans, you should wear a big piece of kraft paper that you can discard much easier.

[mondo joe]

118. The point of ads is how the product FEELS - not what literaly happens.

When you advertise steak you push the sizzle, not the nutrition.

When you advertise Levi's you push the association of being young, sexy and so on.

[EnviroBat]

156. Ahh, I see. So old people would never wear Levi's?

So it's promoting underage sexual encounters peppered with good old ageism. Double good!

[conscious evolution]

177. No.Older people already know how good Levis are

The point of the ad is to instill the brand in peoples mind when they are young and impressionable.
Sort of along the lines of that Jesuit saying about 'give us the boy at six and he will still be one of us at 60.'

[mondo joe]

197. What makes you think a brand of being young and sexy wouldn't appeal

to older people?

I'd think they'd be the greater audience for it.

And where did yiou get "promoting underage sexual encounters" from?

[Lucian]

So what's wrong with that?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

80. OMG!!

You kids! Get off my damn lawn!

Get the fuck over it. If your kid gets fucked by some dude and ends up knocked up, it because of lack of birth control and nothing else.

[EnviroBat]

107. Posted by "Father of the Year" ladies and gentlemen...

What a fucking stupid thing to say.

[MilesColtrane]

87. The message is be a rebel and an iconoclast by consuming...

...textiles mass produced by a giant corporation.

[earth mom]

89. What ticks me off with ads these days is that networks don't give a damn that young kids

are watching these ads!

I mean c'mon, they show ads for viagra or whatever the hell the other version of it is called during prime time shows that kids watch!

:grr:

[saltpoint]

91. Wouldn't it just be a far better world, brothers and sisters, if young folks

stayed home and watched box sets of THE WALTONS.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Not the show, either. Just the box that holds the show.

On betamax.

[saltpoint]

95. : )

[Warren DeMontague]

93. And get off my lawn!

With your con sarn rock and roll music and your tight jeans an...

man I need a nap.

[ProfessorGAC]

99. I Just Think Those Commercials Are Stupid

I don't find them offensive. Just silly. I'm surprised they tested well even among teenagers.

I recognized a stupid commercial when i saw one when i was a teen. I would think kids today can too.
The Professor

[seabeyond]

100. i had a 10, 13 and 15 yr old come to me after watching commercial, totally angry

that some girl grabs a stranger and drags into an apartment, not theirs, to get it on.

goes with wranglers commercials of dead almost naked girls.... to sell a product

but as you can see, so many in this thread doesnt seem to need a line of simple decency

[AccessGranted]

101. Bye... I Am 15 And Have To Go Have Sex Now Because of a Levis Ad

Don't you think that if a teenager is so weak-minded and gullible as to be influenced and driven to have sex because of the power of a Levis jeans ad that something has gone horribly awry in his or her psyche? Perhaps their ability to define their own uniqueness is out of whack. They may have self-esteem issues or body image issues. They may be the type to fall into peer pressure. They may simply be naive and foolish or maybe they were already excited by being promiscuous or the idea of it, if they are not yet sexually active.

You're worrying about slutty jeans ads when most public schools and seemingly nice communities are filled with drug dealers even in the most affluent areas and many kids often get seduced by much older individuals. Don't underestimate the power of the minds of today's teens and young adults. Not only that, did you ever stop and think that if a kid is that foolish and weak, then their parent's made some boo-boos in teaching, guiding and communicating with the kid? Is that Levis fault?

[EnviroBat]

104. Wow, you really schooled me.

Buh bye...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

128. What does it feel like when a 15 year old is more mature than you?

Must be humiliating.

[EnviroBat]

147. I wouldn't know. I've never had any dialog with a 15 y.o.

that was more "mature" than me, and apparently it's not going to happen today either...

You should probably spend more time on Facebook, and less here in the realm of big people.

[Forkboy]

151. Maybe that's the problem.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

184. I never mentioned dialogue.

You just got humiliated by a 15 year old, but I'll agree it wasn't much of a dialogue.

"You should probably spend more time on Facebook, and less here in the realm of big people."

Maybe you'd be more comfortable in a quilting bee with senile little old ladies? You know, people who would, at least hypothetically, be more comfortable with your Victorian era nonsense?

[rcrush]

114. Clearly Levi's jeans are serious business...

[madmom]

122. The commercial worked, you're talking about their product. End of story!

[EnviroBat]

164. Talking about? Yes. Buying? No.

[Ezlivin]

129. Thank the gods for TiVO and the 30 second skip

Because of the magic of that I no longer watch commercials.

I've grown such a passionate hatred for them that I will not watch live TV without an ability to instantly mute and freeze the picture.

And I find that I've missed nothing....

[Forkboy]

130. So why is kicking someone's ass any better than this?

[WI_DEM]

137. I don't mind if they are on later, but I was watching TV with my five and six year old neice and nep

who at 6 PM when that ad came on! They wanted to know all about it. I think advertisers need to be responsible as to when they show their ads.

[Lerkfish]

138. probably already pointed out in another post (haven't read them all yet) but

I don't think teenagers NEED a commercial as an excuse to decide sex is something they might want to do.
Their bodies give them all sorts of hormonal hints already.

Our current civilized culture is one of the few that extends marriageability age as far as we do. In other cultures through history, basically as soon as a woman COULD reproduce she was married off or mated or what have you.

Not saying that's right, but I'm saying I think biologically, teenagers are hormonally driven to be horny, and there's nothing except societal risk assessment that prevents that.

[coffeenap]

140. My 14 year old gets the "joke"--she knows all about sex

and gets that in the commercial where they are on the dock they are not having his first sex, they are having his first jump in the water. Yes, it counts on everyone thinking the obvious, then being fooled. Duh--it is not going to get my daughter to buy Levi's. (Well, she will if they start making them in the US again.) Of course, the ad could work because SOMEONE is finally publicly acknowledging the reality of teen thoughts without running away in screaming fear!

On the OP's ad, yes it is creepy, but those are clearly not young teens.

[renegade000]

141. I agree with you

The sex doesn't bother me at all. The breaking and entering into someone's home does.

I mean seriously...who here is in favor of having their house broken into?

That's what I found offensive about the ad. The fact that the tone was, "aww, how cute...breaking and entering...it shows they are in love!"

[EnviroBat]

148. Thanks. Many people don't get the point...

[Leftist Agitator]

142. Your signature picture is offensive.

[EnviroBat]

150. Fucking good!

[Forkboy]

153. So it's ok for you to offend people, but you can't be offended yourself?

[EnviroBat]

160. When did I say I was offended genius?

Your opinion is a worrisome to me as a cloudy day. I don't wast energy on being "offended" by folks like you. The commercial offends me, because the message is stupid. So is your disruption of rational dialog on this thread, but it doesn't offend me.

[Forkboy]

168. Oh I don't know. The OP maybe?

[EnviroBat]

172. Yep, I find the commercial offensive.

But I could give a flying fuck about your opinion.

[Forkboy]

174. Thank you for admitting you just lied about not being offended.

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

178. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[superduperfarleft]

170. Don't you think it might encourage

young, impressionable kids that self-immolation is funny?

[EnviroBat]

175. Well, it would certainly reduce the risk of teen pregnancy for those

that did it.

[superduperfarleft]

180. About as likely as a jeans commercial encouraging kids to have sex. n/t

[formercia]

143. Say no to crack.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Kt3gIoa9mFA/SGUlXXALoBI/AAAAAAAAAWc/Nxu__xVOK5Q/s320/plumbers+crack+3.jpg

http://buffiesblaaaahg.blogspot.com/2008/06/this-was-several-years-back-when-boys.html

[LanternWaste]

144. I don't think America is as sexually prudish as many maintain...

I don't think America is as sexually prudish as many may maintain, as we tend to package it, sell it, purchase it, view it, read it, listen to it, dress for it, make ourselves up for it, advertise it, sing about it, self-medicate for it, etc.

I imagine it's the raison d'être for many businesses and even more individuals. It seems to me that out of ten television commercials, three sell cars, three sell pills, three sell sex, and the last spot is for Everything Else.

A sexually repressed nation? I don't think that's quite so-- unless of course we're also Prescriptionally repressed and Automotively repressed.

To each their own. I myself think sex in this country is blown out of proportion by both sides in many cases.

[foo_bar]

204. in a way, prudishness is what makes this type of ad campaign successful

It's like our society's attitude towards alcohol: Prohibition made it the biggest thing since sliced bread, raising the drinking age beyond the voting-and-dying-for-your-country-age ensured college binge drinking as a perpetual forbidden fruit, while cultures with a more permissive attitude towards alcohol and sex education seem to have fewer problems with alcohol poisoning and unwanted pregnancy (although they have bigger soccer hooligan issues, but we have Wal*Mart hooligans).

[LanternWaste]

209. I simply don't see the U.S as prudish

I simply don't see the U.S as prudish. We see to be obsessed with it-- and not in a fashion that simply or merely teases with the forbidden fruit, but in a fashion in which the forbidden fruit is advertised to the point of saturation and it becomes merely fruit, nothing forbidden about it at all.

And we are absolutely saturated with images of sexuality as much as we are saturated with images of the latest model cars and the latest model prescription drugs. Our clothing, music, and entertainments are heavily focused on sex.

Sure, we don't heavily campaign for topless/nude beaches as the norm in this country, but other than that, sex and sexual images are around us far more often than not.

I think saying that our prudishness is the cause of the ad campaign's success is a bit post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc.

[mitchum]

231. THAT is the correct answer

[anonymous171]

145. I hate those kind of commercials. It's like they are selling a lifestyle instead of a product.

Fucking consumerism.

[alfredo]

149. a sexy jeans commercial

http://www.jibjab.com/view/64285

[superduperfarleft]

171. The coffee: you've had too much. n/t

[marlakay]

176. I think they are desparate and trying anything

my sister n law was one of their top managers running the company and they just laid her off a few months ago.

she told my mom the company is hurting bad because some big stores that carried their brand went out of business. and alot of people are buying specialty jeans these days.

i saw the ad also and thought it went over the top for family tv. the ad basically has two strangers meeting and going into a apartment they don't live in for hot sex. and they couldn't rip the jeans off fast enough.

sex sells...at least they are hoping so...look at abercrombie stores as you walk by.

[Control-Z]

182. One of the problems

on this thread is that people are debating two different ads. The dock ad is just dumb, imo. And yes, teens get the joke.

It is the breaking and entering, and unprotected sex with a stranger, in the other ad that bothers me. Society should be a little better educated at this point in time, when unprotected sex can be deadly. And breaking and entering has always been against the law, as far as I know.

Kids really do take their cues from TV, whether they've been educated by their parents or not. There is definitely the attitude that if it's ok to show on prime time TV, then it must be ok. My kids know the difference between what is shown on cable and indie films, and what the family channels show. That is probably why I was so dumbfounded by this latest ad. It wasn't cute. There wasn't a joke at the end like the dock ad. It was just wrong in every way. And I'm not talking about having sex. It's about who a young person has sex with, and under what circumstances.

Edit: typo

[Matariki]

186. Sex BAD, Violence GOOD

And if you don't agree with me, I'll kick your ass!

Now, get off my lawn!

:evilgrin:

[newtothegame]

191. Good post, and agreed.

I could care less what other people do with their own sex lives. But I can say for myself that a complicated past has created a complicated future.

[EnviroBat]

194. Thanks. Lots of people here don't agree tough.

[zorahopkins]

196. The GEICO Gekko....

There's the ad *here the GEICO Gekko is on the sub*ay, looking at a guy *ho gives him the "Heebie Jeebies".

THAT ad is truly disturbing on SO MANY levels.

note: In protest of the continuing occupation of OUR *hite House by the corrupt and illegal Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE to use the letter bte*een "V" and "X".

[pitohui]

216. where have you been? personally nothing gets between me and my calvins

jeans ads are supposed to be about fun, youth, and the promise of zipless sex -- and this is certainly nothing new but rather goes back many and many a decade -- this genre is supposed to hint at sex, what do you want? an ad about how practical it is to slop the hogs in my ass-embracing jeans?

the "live unbuttoned" ads i've seen have been relatively fun and harmless

[DerekG]

218. Fuck. Consume. Fuck. Consume. Fuck. Consume.

So it goes, in the land of milk and honey.

[pitohui]

219. and can you really think of a better life?

be honest, wouldn't it be wonderful if that's all we had to do in life was fuck and consume?

it's a fantasy, dude, enjoy it or don't enjoy it...but it's a little fantasy, no one thinks it's for real, it's a freakin jeans commercial

[DerekG]

220. Oh, I can think of a better life

"Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours."

From Steppenwolf

[pitohui]

221. um, ho-kay, dude...stepping away quietly!

sex may be one of life's "trivial" joys but i find i have little patience any more for those who are too righteous to enjoy such "trivia"

[GrpCaptMandrake]

224. It's another Bill Hicks (peace be upon Him) moment

"Anybody in the audience tonight in advertising? Marketing? Here's a suggestion: Kill yourself. No. Really. Kill yourself. No comedy. No bit. Kill yourself. Just plantin' seeds here."

That line seems to have ever-increasing relevance in this country. What a pity Dennis Leary didn't steal THAT line, too!


Get On The H.O.R.N.!
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[mudesi]

230. LOL! (nm)