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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 03:52 AM
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Transportation strategy: The whole picture, complete with gaps
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 04:30 AM by GrpCaptMandrake
It's about damned time we started talking about a topic that should've been Job One about forty years ago. How this nation gets from Point A to Point B has, it seems, always been taken for granted, from Indian paths over the Midland Trail to Interstate Highways over the Great Divide.

We took significant steps with the U.S. highway system and then the Interstate system. Both, however, were founded on the idea of limitless fuel for limitless consumption. We all know that doesn't work anymore. Even with the Interstates modeled on the Autobahn, we quickly found ourselves overrun by the economy of scale and exponentialism. More cars, more trucks, more highways for more cars and more trucks and more highways for . . . You get the idea.

The pending economic disaster that is the Big 3 has finally gotten us to consider the future of travel. Mercifully, people are starting to take rail travel seriously. The airlines have gone a long way toward helping this discussion along, thanks to miserable service, seats built for midgets and some of the lousiest single-serving peanuts ever offered to a credulous, cramped flying public. Coupled with sprawl, traffic and timeliness, the airlines have done a magnificent job of pointing out just how nice it would be to have rapid rail, light rail and more civil transportation.

We've also finally started talking, on a national basis, about our cars, our beloved cars. Literally nothing in America in the last hundred years defines us as much as our cars. We give them pet names (Inge was my Porsche's name, in the days of my youth, from "Young Frankenstein;" the truck is "Bertha"), baby them ("He never drives it. He just rubs it with a diaper" -Cameron in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off), drive them like dogs, cuss them (fill in your own story here), argue the relative merits of the brands ("Ain't an American car built before 1969 that cain't . . . ") and generally treat them better than we do some members of our own family (and, in some cases, justifiably so; family can be hell). We even have massive, thread-winding flame-scorched posts here on DU in which otherwise rational DU'ers turn apoplectic over the question of whether one has a duty to buy an America automobile.

We've engaged on the debate over electric cars. Bio-diesel. Legitimate questions have been raised. How much of a benefit is an electric car you plug into your wall at night like your cellphone, that merely exchanges foreign crude for more blown up mountains in Appalachia? What's the carbon difference? Can there be a carbon-neutral automobile? If so, is anyone even THINKING about building it? What about the batteries? Who among us has a few grand to plop down every few years to replace the battery in an electric car? Video camera batteries are a big enough pain at $50. Will the cost savings in gasoline offset the battery cost? Remember when people talked glowingly of ethanol? Oops. Not such a good idea after all, when ethanol creates a corporate imperative to grow GenMod corn that drives up the price for edible corn.

We've talked a little bit, but not as much, about how we got here. Congress passes transportation bills. Some heroic senators and house members have steadfastly watched on the walls to keep AmTrak alive against the day when it was most needed. When last I rode AmTrak in 2007, they were running at or near capacity and yet still had to take dog's breakfast in deference to freight haulers and had sleeper cars that were less comfortable than an AMC Gremlin on bad road.

It appears to me that, at least here on DU, we're coming to a consensus. It appears we're ready for rail, both light and rapid. It appears we've given a lot of thought to how we get from Urban Point A to Urban Point B.

Just as the music happens between the notes as well as on them, where I'd like to have your thought is in the spaces in between. What do we do about the places such transportation infrastructure is unlikely to go, under the best of circumstances, in the next fifty years? Being a West Virginian, I live in a place where rail simply isn't profitable or, in many places, even practicable. I live in a place where the nearest grocery is six miles away, one-way, over what we call here "a hill" (many of you would call it a "mountain.") The climate doesn't lend itself to year'round walking. The road between here and the grocery store, or the pharmacy, or the doctor, or the school is choked with coal trucks. Only a suicidal maniac would try it on shanks' mares or a bicycle and there's still a little cross at the mouth of our road where the motorcyclist got splattered Spring-before-last by the lady who didn't see motorcycles.

How do we fill these kinds of gaps? Just because gasoline has dropped in price doesn't mean that the price will stay there. We've seen that movie. On DVD. At home, because movie tickets are so damned expensive. As we transition away from gasoline, the price will rise more steeply based upon the cost of production versus the reduction in demand. How do we make sure that those who still have to rely on it can do so? How do we diminish that reliance without putting at even greater risk the most vulnerable in our society? Where do we make up the tax revenues that states like West Virginia impose regressively upon its citizenry because of its slavish fear of and devotion to coal and all the wonders it brings to Good Little Politicians?

You can get off the train and walk from the station at First and Main to your home, your appointment, your grocers at 5th and Main. What do you do when the nearest station is, at best, ten miles away and even if there WAS a cab you couldn't afford it? How do you reach the hollers off the beaten path where so many of my brother and sister Appalachians have lived for as much as 300 years, most of those far more sustainably than the rest of America? How do we craft a transportation philosophy that values rural living instead of continuing the unsustainable push of rural peoples into what many of us consider a congested, claustrophobic urban nightmare?

I look forward to your input and, if you've read this far, would appreciate you keeping this discussion kicked and recommended so as to maximize the brain power we can bring to the inquiry.


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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 04:45 AM
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1. Now you are talking
And this is very important to the future.
But it is not a new idea at all.
In 1969 om Naitional; Geographic, they had an article about a new mass transit system that would solve all the problems we have today and they did a complete layout how it would work with graphics and all, and the writer of the article was convinced that it was in our future before the year 2000.
Had we adopted it then we would have no oil problem today because the system was much more efficient than today and would have made even the airlines obsolete except for over seas.
What happened then to the idea? It was crushed by entrenched interest of Oil and Auto industry's that saw this change as a threat to there industry, and that took precedent over the national interest.
And so we remain in the 20th century system because some of us will not change.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 04:49 AM
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2. We have to think
in terms beyond those that are currently being bandied about.

Is anyone working on hybrid motorcycles? Hybrid ATVs?

In all seriousness, do we fill some of these gaps literally with horse and buggy?

I don't know. What I DO know is that I haven't seen any discussion on the "cracks in the floorboards."
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:09 AM
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3. We already have roads electric lines cable
What if there were trains and rail linked by using roads? Interstate trains,light rail and busses.In sparse areas the ranges the public transport covers is bigger,it would mean a longer wait in between busses but you'd get there.

Also for handicapped people there is a call in service,the person calls the bus in advance and schedules a lift.It could be that way in rural areas,a bus could head out say 4 times a day,passengers would call in their destinations and start points the bus driver using GPS could map out routes and in the most efficient way pick up all the people who called in for that time slot and drop them off before the next round. As more people realized the bus train and rail were RELIABLE and was easier to use they'd ride it..
In my area cab services used by MA pick up multiple people in"rounds" because they go to some of the same places.They'd get one person,than another until the vans were filled and drop each person off according to nearest points from the starting point in order of the closest.Then start over.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:42 AM
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4. Hey Panther...good to see you again.

That would be a good immediate solution, but for a long term solution a mass transit system could be built right on the interstate highways we have.
If you can find the National Geographic issue on this innovative system published in 1969...I think about August...it details a system that would make driving itself unnecessary, and could be used everywhere in any weather.
It was such a good idea that National Geographic devoted an issue to it...and they have credibility.
Hope everything is well with you.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:16 PM
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11. Wow and Hi!
I'm gonna look for that issue,in antique shops they always have a zillion issues of Natl Geos there..
And Good to see you too!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:54 PM
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12. Not sure about the date an tissue
But I know I read it when it came out and a friend had a lot of back issues and it was in there.
But it was a fantastic idea that is even more possible with our technical advances. I can't believe we don't already have it. I know at the time I read it I actually believed I would live long enough to see it.
Peace
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:09 AM
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5. I Have to Agree
I love the rail system, but even in the northeast it only covers a fraction of most people's transportation needs.

The layout and infrastructure of the country is in place. The solution IMO is going to be something that goes into a gas tank, but which may not be petroleum from under the ground.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:12 AM
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6. The very FIRST thing we have to do is convince Americans
to fall out of love with their cars (and, essentially, their freedom).

None of this will happen until you can do that - and, if you can, then you'd be a genius.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:23 AM
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9. I don't think it necessarily has to be our cars
with which we fall out of love. It's the infernal combustion engine.

An electric car, for instance, that's plugged into a wall socket not tied to a coal-fired power grid, but to wind and solar, can create and automobile that's vastly nearer to carbon-neutrality. The same for bio-diesel, if I understand correctly.

Ever seen the Tesla Roadster? Hard to fall out of love with that!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:14 AM
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7. If I were planning transit for a rural area
I'd make the small towns as walkable as possible (parking lots in the back of the store, no chain link fences between commercial properties--do they think the employees of Acme Super Market are going to invade Sunshine Garden Center?) and have circulating van services running around the county on an hourly or every two-hourly basis.

Think about it. Most rural areas already have a form of mass transit and don't realize it: the school bus. Somehow the school bus system covers the whole attendance district, even in rural areas.

Run small vans on the school bus routes, and if people know that a van will be at or near their front door at, say, 20 minutes after the hour, and that they will be able to take it home from town every hour, they may decide that they can get rid of a car or two, or maybe just share with neighbors.

(By the way, not everyone "loves" their cars. I need one here in Minneapolis, but I was delighted to live without one for ten years in Portland.)
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:26 AM
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8. School buses!
Great observation!

While they run only a couple of times a day, the model could certainly be expanded.

I suspect, given the distances involved, one of the unintended positive consequences might also be to foster the growth of local businesses that have been choked out in recent decades by the rise of the BigBox Store.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:30 AM
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10. Kick so I can find this thread when I have time to respond to it
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