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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:22 PM
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Chris Matthews for US Senate
"The Watergate scandal has filtered down to Philadelphia’s 4th Congressional District, with one candidate declaring that he will refuse to accept any financial contributions at all. Chris Matthews, a 28-year-old former aide to consumer advocate Ralph Nader, said Friday that he would run a ‘money-free’ campaign for the seat held by Rep. Joshua Eilberg, a Democrat.

"Matthews, who filed last week for the May Democratic primary, said he would ‘neither solicit or accept’ financial contributions to his campaign. Instead of television advertising, direct mailings and other traditional campaign tactics, Matthews said he would rely entirely on volunteers to reach voters. Matthews, who was formerly employed as an investigative reporter for Nader’s Capitol Hill News Service, blamed the ‘whole system of private campaign contributions’ for political scandals. ‘If we have learned anything from these disclosures,’ he said, ‘it is that the small groups of private interests that contribute the bilk of political campaign finances expect something in return.’"
--The Philadelphia Inquirer; March 17, 1974.

I’m hoping that Chris Matthews decides to run for the US Senate. If he does, I will actively support his campaign. This may not be a popular position with some on the Democratic Underground, of course, but because of some of the recent news being reported, I’d like to take a minute to explain why I support his proposed run.

Matthews was born in 1945, to a conservative Irish-Catholic family in the Philadelphia suburb of Oreland. As a teen-ager, he was a supporter of Barry Goldwater. But he came to oppose the war in Vietnam, and by 1968, was a supporter of Democratic candidate Senator Eugene McCarthy. From 1968 to 1970, Matthews served in the Peace Corps in Africa, making use of his education in economics while working as an adviser in trade development.

In the 1970s and ‘80s, Matthews worked for four members of Congress, including Senator Edmund Muskie and Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill. He also worked for President Jimmy Carter. I believe that this was important experience in learning the ways that the government works, as well as the problems that one encounters in Washington, DC.

Chris Matthews has authored four books on politics. I think that the most important of these is "Kennedy and Nixon: The Rivalry That Shaped Postwar America." It was his response to the collection of crimes known as "Watergate" that led him to run for political office in 1974; although he lost the primary, the politician who defeated him and then won re-election would himself be caught in a scandal, and forced to retire in disgrace.

In recent years, Mr. Matthews has been employed at NBC/MSNBC. The two areas where I have been most impressed by him include his involvement in exposing the Plame scandal, and his support of Barack Obama.

As the federal trial of Scooter Libby documented, both Libby and VP Cheney were obsessed with Matthews’ reporting on Ambassador Wilson’s exposing the administration’s purposeful lies about WMD in Iraq. Several high-ranking members of the administration attempted to silence Matthews. (See "Hubris," by David Corn and Michael Isikoff, pages 265-267.) Further, Matthews was the first to warn Joseph Wilson about the White House operation against him. (See page one of Wilson’s book, and note the title of Valerie Plame Wilson’s book.)

Matthews continued to press for a Congressional investigation of the role of VP Cheney in the Plame scandal, after Libby was convicted on several felonies. This convinces me that he has indeed learned the lessons from Watergate, something that very few members of the House or Senate appear to value.

Matthews also recognizes that a President who follows an "imperial presidency" must have a strong working relationship with Congress, and respect for Constitutional law and the federal courts, in order to repair the damage done. President Carter, who I have great respect for, followed Gerald Ford, of course. But his efforts to repair the severe damafe that Nixon & Co. did to the foundation of our Constitutional democracy was often handcuffed by Carter’s poor relationship with Congress. (See Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.; Journals.)

Chris Matthews is, like every other politician or potential politician in Washington, DC, an imperfect person. But his relationship with Barack Obama, as well as with the democrats who worked for the Obama campaign in Pennsylvania, makes him a serious candidate, with a good chance of winning the Senate seat. I’ll gladly support him, should he decide to run.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:24 PM
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1. I would vote for Chris Matthews over Arlen Specter...
any day of the week.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:26 PM
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2. People forget
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 12:27 PM by Nederland
That Matthews was one of the first journalists to unequivocally say he was opposed to the war in Iraq.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:26 PM
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3. Nice post, recced
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:29 PM
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4. I will vote for him
I just purchased four copies of his book "Life's a Campaign" for my nephew and nieces. Wish it was around forty years ago :-).
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:29 PM
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13. You should watch the YouTube video of him promoting that book on the
Daily Show.

John Stewart really took him to task. It's hysterical.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:03 PM
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26. Yeah, if only Stewart would take his Rethug guests to task with such vigor. nt
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:30 PM
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37. Ha, ha, ha....the new Tweety lovers meme..........
John Stewart it a shill for the right wing! RIIIGHHHHTTT!!!!!!!!!

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:14 PM
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91. Nah, but he does try too hard to atone for eviscerating Tucker Carlson. And what's Tweety?
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:15 PM
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97. Tweety is Matthews DU monicker. n/t
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:39 AM
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98. Oh. Why?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:34 PM
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5. I'd support him over any republican
but, he's all over the place on issues and he has this way of framing some issues in a TV patriotic tone and rhetoric which makes me cringe. I do like the folks he's worked for in the past. That was classic Mass. politics though. Not exceptional. And, I think I can argue true that he's moved outside of that influence on many issues.

I like him okay on TV. I'm not sure he's better than the Democrat he's contemplating running against. Anything ready available on Joshua Eilberg?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:49 PM
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6. I watch Chris often and I cannot say where he *is* on the issues
Great summary by H2OMAN--I would be glad to see Matthews run. Rendell has a great machine in Philadelphia that he could harness. Does this mean we have to quit calling him Tweety?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:18 PM
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12. Eilberg was the corrupt
politician that Mr. Matthews ran against in '74. He agreed to refrain from running for office in the future, as part of his deal with prosecutors.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:10 PM
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43. so he's 'retiring'
ah. good for tweety.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:53 PM
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7. Matthews is a "say anything" kinda guy. A slippery eel with no real principles imo. nt
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:45 PM
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17. exactly. he's a caricature of the finger-in-the-wind flip-flopper.
he's a san francisco liberal who fawned all over shrub and the right wing and now thinks the world of obama.

he has run liberal columns in his san francisco newspaper the same day he's spouted conservative crap on his cable show.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:39 PM
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62. a "Slithereen" out for himself...who whored in admiration of Bush's "Codpiece"
and now sells himself as a "repackaged" Dem. We know about those kind of Dems from long, sad experience.
:-(
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:19 PM
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35. Yes, that's how I feel. The Democrats can do better. For eight years
when we needed desperately for the media to stand up for us, he fawned over the war criminals. Now he is an Obama supporter. I don't trust his loyalty.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:31 AM
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89. Yes, we can do better. Better than Leiberman. And, before it's too late, better than Matthews.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 12:57 PM
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8. he's a terrible putz but he's
our putz, I guess.

It is vaguely nauseating as a Pennsylvanian, but will support him if he's nominated.

Yuck...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 01:10 PM
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9. I think he'd be a solid defender of the little guy
and the middle class. And he's spoken of public office with reverence as one of the highest honors and trusts he can imagine.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 01:12 PM
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10. He's been anti-union every time I've heard him speak on the subject. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:22 PM
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53. His wife is on board of Marriot Hotels after cushy job as DC Reporter, House on Nantucket down the
road from Jack Welch (the shadow behind Immelt of GE/MSNBC/CNBC) and Jack would have "hand picked him."

Yeah... Tweety is for the "Little Guy." Sure......:puke:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:34 PM
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56. Ted Kennedy is rich, and very protective of the working class.
I'm not saying I know how liberal Matthews would be in the Senate, but his political affiliations are probably a better indication than his family income level.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:35 PM
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57. There are remarkably few
paupers in Congress.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:36 PM
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60. Follow the money....it's where all roads lead... n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:39 PM
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63. Would you be willing
to share with us who you voted for in November?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:47 PM
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67. Excuse Me? You gotta be kidding! YOU asking for a "litmus test" from Obama Supporter?
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 09:49 PM by KoKo01
Progressive Democratic, Precinct Vice Chair "NC District 03," North Carolina You gotta be kidding me with that kind of snark attack questioning who I voted for. What's with you? :shrug: BTW...NC Dem Party Chair Jerry Meek is a very cool guy. Watch for him in politics for the future. He's gonna be BIG!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:49 PM
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68. I thought that you had.
But tonight, you are clearly offended by the mere thought of someone wealthy serving in Washington, DC. I believe that it is you that has the "litmus test."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:12 PM
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72. It's Chris Matthews that's the problem and his track record of using "Dem Creds"
to glorify Bush and slithering around to suit his advantage. He's very skillful at what he does but what he's done is always done under flying a "false flag." Digby, Media Matters, Eric Alterman have all cataloged Tweety's Whoring.

If you like him that's fine...if you support his Senate Candidacy ..that's fine (even though you live in NYState and can't vote for him) but if you post "Chris Matthews for Senate" out here on DU then you can't expect those of us who have been fighting against his style of Media Whoring to support you for your views without countering on this "Discussion Board.". :shrug:
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:20 AM
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86. Don't worry KoKo....
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 01:21 AM by rvablue
the same thing happened to me earlier this evening -- the same poster trying to call me out as a freeper -- when I questioned the inanity of Matthews as the Dem. nominee for Senate in Penn.

Can't we find someone who didn't vote for George Bush?
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:17 AM
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85. I don't know who KoKo01 voted for
but I know two things as fact.

#1 Tweety voted for George W. Bush in the presidential election.

#2 You attack people as being freepers when they question why you would support someone for the Democratic nomination for the Senate seat in Pennsylvania who voted for George W. Bush, the man who ruined our country over the past eight years.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:42 PM
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64. I was sorry when
Matthews announced in his newspaper column that he was giving it up to go do a cable news show. I always enjoyed reading it, because he combined political acumen and analysis with a solidly liberal viewpoint.

As a TV anchor, he's hewed closer to the center, and I've been displeased on a number of occasions with his compromises, his admiration of successful "image" politics, and the way he has sometimes, on the basis of style, denigrated good people like Al Gore and John Kerry.

But in office, he'd be voting his conscience, and anyone who stood up to Dick Cheney's OVP definitely deserves a lot of credit.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:44 PM
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66. His job duties
at NBC/MSNBC include having him take various positions on issues. Many people here confuse that for his holding those opinions. It is a small step away from the lady who approached Dan Blocker in 1969, and demanded that he warn his "father" on Bonanza to fire the cook.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:50 PM
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69. You can't trust
Hop Sing.

And they always showed the main house at the Ponderosa from the same angle because there was a big highway on one side of it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:51 PM
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70. Ha!
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:14 AM
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84. But not Democratic members of the Senate who voted for Bush
Name one.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:37 PM
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61. The Kennedy's have a totally different background than Matthews...Google is your friend. n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:44 PM
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65. My interest in history predates Google.
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 09:44 PM by bleever

But you're right, it's very useful.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:13 AM
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83. Ted Kennedy didn't and NEVER would vote for George W. Bush
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 01:13 AM by rvablue
Tweety voted for him and admitted to such on his own program, Hardball, May 27, 2005.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:12 AM
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82. And he's picking up a 3rd house outside of Philly......with three houses
he's gaining on McCain.

Most Americans, like myself, wish they could afford just one.

He better be careful with quitting that cable hosting gig......and if he's in the Senate he's going to have to worry about the wife's corporate gig....that's not going to pay three mortgages.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 01:17 PM
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11. kick AND REC n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:33 PM
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14. I hope Tweety kicks Arlen's ass! n/t
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:36 PM
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15. Please someone wake me up from this nightmare, I've slipped into an alternate universe
where many, many DUers are openly and happily supporting someone who admittedly voted for Bush.

We skewer Leiberman.....well, I'll bet you a million dollars that he NEVER pulled the lever in the voting booth for Bush. Believe me, after this election cycle, Traitorman makes me sick. I'm drawing a comparison here.

Is it because Obama primary supporters got some positive attention out of him during the campaign. And, no, don't flame me for being a bitter Hillary supporter because I am a joyful, happy, excited and relieved Obama supporter.

I'm not talking about Obama or Hillary or Leiberman for that matter here......I'm talking about all of the DU adulation and love of Matthews.........are you effin' kidding me??????

This guy HAS ADMITTED TO VOTING FOR BUSH:

From Hardball, May 27, 2005, straight from the spit flinging horse's mouth:

MATTHEWS: I make this president look like -- you don't watch this program, Alexandra. That has never been the case with me. And anybody watching knows right now, we treat this guy with respect. I happen to like him. I voted for him at least once. I'm not going to go any further on that. But the idea that we treat him like a dunce is just inaccurate.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:43 PM
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16. Odd.
You joined three months after the primary was over, but reference the primary in your attack on those who advocate voting for a democratic candidate.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:55 PM
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21. Gimmee a break......
The reason why I referenced anything about the primary was well explained and then I added a caveat so that I wouldn't get a snide/accusatory response like this one.

The point of my post and maybe I should have made it simpler so that I didn't get snide comments like this: Chris Matthews voted for Bush like a lot of other idiots and now we've lived in an nightmare for 8 years.

If you want to support and fawn over a "Democratic candidate" who voted for Bush that is your business, but you can take your paranoia and shove it.

He voted for Bush: fact.
You support Matthews obivously: fact.
You are supporting someone who voted for Bush: fact.

At least my loyalties are in tact, maybe that's why you are so flagrantly flinging mud.

And in place of your paranoid fantasies, I suggest you do a quick DU Google of my posts and see if you can still hang onto them with good conscience.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:01 PM
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25. clown
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:04 PM
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27. The truth hurts......ignore the truth, try to label me a freeper and then call me a dismissive name
But that doesn't change the facts.

CHRIS MATTHEWS SAID LIVE ON AIR ON HARDBALL THAT HE VOTED FOR BUSH.

If you support Bush-voters for elected office that is your business.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:08 PM
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28. Chihuahua
arf-arf-arf!
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:17 PM
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29. How ironic....with your "blind allegience" to a Bush-voter you are the lap dog!!
Go run along now, Tweety wants you to come sit on his lap and give you a biscuit for doing his bidding for him.......maybe you can send a tingle up his leg while you are at it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:30 PM
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74. What the heck is going on with you?
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 10:53 PM by KoKo01
I've never seen you post rude posts and and carrying on like this, before. Attacking a poster (whether new or not) when they give a quote from Matthews that verifiable having been posted all over the internet long before. :shrug:
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:04 PM
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42. Great idea, let's not allow anyone in the party who voted for Bush.
Let's see, Andrew Sullivan voted for him the first time, so we can tell him to give up on the whole exposing Sarah Palin's lies thing.

Glenn Greenwald by his own admission didn't care about politics until 2005.

And then there's all those voters in Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Indiana and other states... hmmm....
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:30 PM
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94. It's not that I don't want to "let anyone into the party who voted for Bush"
The list is much, much longer.

Perpetuating and repeating RW smears against Gore on his show during the 2000 election.

Playing and replaying and replaying ad naseum the "Dean Scream" to satisfy his corporate masters after Dean stated on Hardball that he was going to break up media conglomerates.

Fawning and swooning and repeatedly asking RW smear masters like Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter on his show....allowing Coulter to call both President Clinton and Al Gore "fags" on his show and just laughing afterwards.

Folks on DU have skewered Joe Leiberaman, deservedly so in my opinion, for his actions this election cycle.

Why Tweety gets a pass just because he sees which way the winds are now blowing and wants to get in on the action deserves A TON OF SCRUTINY.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:47 PM
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18. I don't watch much tv but the little i did watch i swear that Mr. Matthews was a Bush kiss-ass for
many years and switched to Obama when he saw the writing on the wall. Please tell me if i am wrong on this.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:49 PM
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20. Yes, he was and before that he never missed an opportunity to
rake Clinton over the coals with a little help from the Clinton hating blondes and Lucienne Goldberg as his Greek chorus.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:23 PM
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30. As a Hillary primary supporter, while I didn't appreciate this, that's not the reason
why I don't want him to be the Democratic candidate.

I have just lived through the 8 most disastorous years of my life with Bush.

Tweety voted for Bush. He announced it on his show.

We go after Leiberman, and deservedly so, for standing up behind McCain and giving Palin policy lessons. I wanted Leiberman out of his leadership position and I hope CT votes him out next time.

But you know what, there isn't a chance in hell he ever voted for Bush. I could be wrong, but there's no evidence to the contrary being that he was the VP in the first race and a primary Prez candidate ((:vomit:)) in the next one.

And so just because Tweety sees the way the tides are turning and thinks that he can capitalize on it and fulfill his boyhood dream of being a Senator we should all sit back and ignore the FACT that he voted for Bush.

Not me.....sorry.....
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:57 PM
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22. No, you are exactly dead-on, spot-on completely correct:
From Matthews own mouth on Hardball May 27, 2007



MATTHEWS: I make this president look like -- you don't watch this program, Alexandra. That has never been the case with me. And anybody watching knows right now, we treat this guy with respect. I happen to like him. I voted for him at least once. I'm not going to go any further on that. But the idea that we treat him like a dunce is just inaccurate.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200505310005
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:00 PM
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24. Matthews does
like a number of individuals who I find to be repulsive, and one of them is George W. Bush. There are others, as well. However, he was opposed to the invasion of Iraq before it took place, and although he has said some curious things (that I believe were intended to show support for the troops, but came off badly), he has viewed the war from "day one" as the work of the neoconservatives from the Office of the Vice President.

Although he did not say so publicly at the time, Matthews began to believe that Barack Obama would be President, and do this nation a great amount of good, when he heard Obama speak at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:48 PM
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19. Well, he'd be great in a filibuster where they have to talk.
Other than that, they are going to have to put a gag on him to get any business done.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 05:58 PM
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23. Every seven or eight minutes he'll impulsively look at his watch and say ...



"Gotta take a break. We'll be right back after this."


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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:23 PM
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31. hmm, why not Mona Charen? n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:54 PM
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32. I agree. I will happily support Chris Matthews in any way I can should he decide to run.
I am glad to be in such good company. :hi:

Very nicely stated, once again.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:26 PM
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36. So, so weird............(scratching head)
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 07:26 PM by rvablue
I don't get all of this support of Tweety and I wish someone could explain it to me when there are plenty of experienced and dedicated Dems in Pennsylvania.

Some Q's:

Does it not bother you that he voted for Bush?

Does it not bother you that he allowed Ann Coulter to call Bill Clinton and Al Gore "fags" on his show?

Does it not bother you that he played the "Dean Scream" about 1,000 times on his show.

There's a much longer list of things this guy is going to have to answer to before he strolls into a Democratic nomination...........

I seriously don't get it?

:yoiks:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:23 PM
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78. Not sure if he voted for Bush
but if he did, he apparently learned his lesson? As for Coulter, I've seen him handle her quite well along with Michelle Malkin. I don't know what he should have done in regard to her comment? He may have played the Dean scream, but no, it doesn't bother me, in spite of my zealous support for Howard Dean.

I am much more impressed that he's one of the first/few members of the main stream media to question W and if he voted for him, that's all the more important.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 12:42 AM
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80. Maybe you're onto something.
Maybe a 21st Century progressive is a liberal who has been mugged by a neoconservative.


:hi:
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 06:57 PM
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33. I'd vote for Matthews
but I'd rather see Sestak, and I think he'll run for Specter's seat.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:05 PM
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34. 28 years old, born in 1945...?
ummmm. I was born in 1947...yay, I'm 26 again!!! A do-over!
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:45 PM
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40. --The Philadelphia Inquirer; March 17, 1974.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:12 PM
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44. See?
Aren't you glad you read this?

1945? I remember when I was young.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:37 PM
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75. I think it's Groundhog Day or something.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:32 PM
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38. You told us he would run a while back
I have no problem with Tweety running but how's his health these days?

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:16 PM
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45. It's good.
He'll be fine.

I am glad that you remember my saying it some time back. Things have moved in a good direction, and he is very likely to get the support of much of the Obama campaign structure in PA (and elsewhere!).
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:29 PM
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48. I take your posts seriously bro
:hi:
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:10 AM
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81. You must know him well if you know the status of his health.....hence your sycophance
Good luck with the campaign...hope the position comes with benefits.

P.S. Tweety voted for Bush.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:44 PM
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39. Matthews vs. Specter = Tweety vs. Sylvester
Even though I love cats, cartoon cats are another story. :evilgrin:


Specter ^ ^Tweety
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:17 PM
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46. I think that there is
a pretty fair chance that Specter will not be the republican opponent.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:01 PM
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41. The pluses for Tweety in the o.p. are minimal, marginal, peripheral, negligible.
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 08:58 PM by UTUSN
And the MINUSES are HUMONGOUS!1


* "he came to oppose the Vietnam war" and "he served in the Peace Corps." He has SAID (admitted/confessed) that he didn't join the Peace Corps from IDEALISM but rather to GET OUT OF GOING TO VIETNAM.

* he worked for great Dems --MUSKIE, O'NEILL, CARTER. That was where the Power was in those days. That was where the opportunity (and opportunism) was for a hard scrabble scrambler and hustler like him. (Repeating for the thousandth time: ) In the hothouse of D.C. politics, peons get their own power and prestige from the power and prestige and WINNING of their bosses. There is NO WORSE thing in D.C. than BEING A LOSER. His personal "change" came when RAYGUN beat the pants off of Tweety's Dem bosses. And I'll throw in that Tweety was not the only viper at CARTER's breast: There are also Pat CADDELL, who has done nothing but whine and tear down any Dem, and has LOST every campaign he has been involved with including the ad campaign for the New Coke; and there's David RUBENSTEIN, who went on to be a co-founder of the Carlyle Group.

* "learning the ways that the government works, as well as the problems" ---------Yip, he was a political operative, meaning a thug and a bully. He was OURS back then, but the last time he was OURS was circa 1988, when Hardball (the book) was published. After that, his admiration for RAYGUN as a WINNER took him over. And if he learned so much, why has he been on the WRONG side of almost all things that DUers KNEW would be WRONG back when, back at the time?

* "employed as an investigative reporter for Nader’s Capitol Hill News Service" ---This smells of Tweety's bragging about having been a Capitol police officer, the bragging coming AFTER the shooting of the Capitol cops in ('97?). It turned out he worked for THREE MONTHS as a Capitol cop, which was more of a rent-a-cop deal. And it is an example of scores of what a GLORY HOG he is, how he latches on to the latest "glamor" in the news and attempts to glorify himself, how he said about being in Africa in the Peace Corps, "I WALKED THE SAME GROUND THAT CHURCHILL DID..."

* "exposing the Plame scandal, and his support of Barack Obama." ----Aside from a couple of phone calls from him to Ambassador Joe and from CHEENEE complaining about him, in all of those months of the case, he was scarcely mentioned at all, was not even a trial witness, nothing. As for his support of OBAMA, what about 2000, when he DAILY TRASHED Gore, what about his tepid little vote for KERRY, while he was traipsing around "college tours" with Mc5PLANEs, not to mention his man crush on Shrub that has NEVER let up on a personal level, regardless of whether he finally supported somebody else?

* "recognizes that a President who follows an 'imperial presidency' must have a strong working relationship with Congress" -----and the o.p. cites CARTER as failing on this count. Uh, Tweety was THERE, WORKING for CARTER back then, so does this mean that Tweety learned this lesson by NOT RECOGNIZING it at the time?

* I'll throw in here ALL of the defenses and excuses that have been made for Tweety, before and during this o.p. ---that he was AGAINST the Iraq war. Yip, his now defunct newspaper columns were more identifiably Lib than his cable persona, but in the run-up to the Iraq Attack, there was NO BIGGER CHEERLEADER for the Shrub agenda than Tweety. He was the de facto executioner of DONAHUE on Phil's own show, eviscerating Phil for an hour with things like, "YOU LIBERALS CAN FIND NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THIS COUNTRY! THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!" Then there is that other excuse, that he was AGAINST THE WAR because "he has (5?) draft age sons"! Ahem, there was NO DRAFT.

As for somebody asking (as many make a big deal of) about his health. Uh, there are TWENTY FOUR MILLION people in the U.S. living with diabetes. He went for TEN YEARS of avoiding treatment from FEAR, he has said. I believe that FEAR is a strong characteristic of his, how bullies have cowardice at the core of their psyche. I remember him attempting to do a Whorealdo by riding a helicopter in sunglasses buzzing Yassar ARAFAT's headquarters, and LOOKING PETRIFIED. See also his FEAR OF VIETNAM. I'm glad the o.p. acknowleges that Tweety's family and early leanings were "conservative." Many apologists for him say he came from a Dem family. Tweety himself has said his family were "cloth coat Republicans". And one of his brothers is a Rethug office holder. I believe that Tweety's only turn to the Democratic party came from the religious and ethnic pride of JFK's win, NOT from profound conviction.


*************As for voting for him. I always have, would, and will vote for just about anybody with the "D" after their names. I haven't had the dilemma of having to decide about Joementum. I would certainly vote for just about anybody credible running against Tweety, Joementum, or Zell MILLER in the primaries, and might consider skipping voting (that is, NOT VOTING AT ALL, does not mean "voting for the Rethug") for Joementum and MILLER. Tweety might fall in the hold-my-nose category for me (as opposed to skipping).


He has been DASTARDLY to many Dems and kissed many Rethugs asses.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:30 PM
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49. I have no problem
with intelligent DUers such as you who are opposed to the idea of Mr. Matthews becoming Senator Matthews. However, I respectfully disagree with you on a couple of points.

I'm glad that Matthews joined the Peace Corps to avoid going to Vietnam. I wish more people had. Rev. King had proposed that those young men who joined in the civil rights movement be allowed the same pass that college students got, and I think that was a great idea. Muhammad Ali avoided being drafted, too, and I think that was an outstanding event in US history. But I understand that others can think differently.

Chris Matthews was a speech writer for President Carter. The two remain close friends today. I think that speaks for itself.

Finally, I'm familiar with the trial of Scooter Libby, and the simple truth is that there was indeed testimony and documents intered into evidence that showed that VP Cheney and Libby were obsessed with Matthews' reporting. It was, in fact, the reason that Libby called Tim Russert. And there is no denying that Libby told FBI investigators and the grand jury that Russert was the person who told him about Plame's role at the CIA.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:28 PM
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54. Thank You UTUSN! Your post needs to be read by all those who are to young too know
the background.. Not many of us around to give the background. The OP knows...but does somehow has faith that Matthews has a "good heart." It's his opinion...and it's always good to have differing opinions...but good to "verify," after one is "trusting."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:30 PM
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55. Please
do not speak for me. My response to that post should do.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:26 AM
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87. Indeed, this is DU, so let us not forget
as documented by Media Matters the RW smears against Gore that Tweety perpetuated as fact on his program.

Tweety may helped to give us Obama (finally and thank god) but if you go back in the history book of Hardball, he also helped to lob George Bush onto us....including voting for him at the ballot box, as he admitted to doing on his own show.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:18 PM
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77. getting out of Vietnam was considered idealistic at the time
by many of us. And what was the point in dying for an unjustifiable and immoral war? The Peace Corps was an honorable choice. At the time, right or wrong, few of us thought that way about the army.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 08:25 PM
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47. He's a woman-hating jackass, so hopefully PA will have the chance to vote for better.
Time for another episode of What Digby Said:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/soljah-politics-by-digby-i-was-catching.html


And then there's Matthews, the man who is sending serious signals that he wants to run for the Senate. As a Democrat. And I've heard some rather unfortunate rumblings that it's not a bad idea since he's really a liberal, he just couldn't show it during the decade he spent sucking up to Republicans on a daily basis for ratings. Underneath it all, he's "one of us."

Perhaps the" real "Chris Matthews has emerged now that MSNBC has been made safe for progressives. Or, conversely, maybe the real Chris Matthews is actually an opportunistic, hypocritical jackass who should be shunned from any kind of Democratic politics for as long as he lives. Your mileage may vary depending upon whether you think enthusiastically sucking up to the GOP on television for the past decade is something that should be forgotten.

I won't bother to write the book on Matthews again, but as one who has been chronicling his televised rhetorical atrocities for years, let's just say his record speaks for itself. The amount of damage he did, going all the way back to the Clinton years and up until just about five minutes ago is considerable. He is as unacceptable as a Democratic high official as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, perhaps less so because of the fact that he is, by all accounts, a whore who has made millions of dollars a year destroying Democrats, while privately assuring his friends and associates that he doesn't really mean it. At least Rush plays for his own team with everything he's got.

Seriously, this guy is a clown who will make the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania into a laughing stock. Darrell Hammond alone will kill him if Youtube doesn't. It's an insane idea. If you like liberals like Joe Lieberman, you'll love Chris Matthews.

The fact that this is being discussed seriously makes me wonder if there's anybody who has repeatedly and enthusiastically fucked the Democratic party over the past 20 years or so to whom the party leadership aren't giving political amnesty? It would be nice to know so that I don't waste my breath defending them anymore only to be made a fool of when their tormentors are welcomed into the party as if it never happened. (I'm not a willing Omega.)

Punishing your allies while rewarding your enemies is a very unusual strategy, but it seems to be the one the village has set forth as being Obama's best chance of success. It's risky. I could be wrong, but I'm not entirely convinced that the Republicans and the media always act in good faith.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:05 PM
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50. Fantastic post. You said "at a high level" what I had to do in gory, repetitous details. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:13 PM
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52. "What Digby Says" is the truth of it. Thanks for posting it......for "Reality Check!"
I agree with Digby on this one:

"...maybe the real Chris Matthews is actually an opportunistic, hypocritical jackass who should be shunned from any kind of Democratic politics "
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:06 PM
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51. I really don't think his "personality" lends itself to the Senate. If he
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 09:10 PM by KoKo01
was running for the House...I could see it. But, Chris is what "65 years old" and has a BIG MOUTH...and is used to much attention. The Senate (much as it's been corrupted through Reagan/Clinton/Bushies) is supposed to be the body that steps back from the posturing and rabble rousing of the US House of Representatives and "deliberates." I think of the Senates function in the Constitution as being a closer to the "Supreme Court." A group who "takes their time and thinks about policy...and the ramifications of what the House has proposed and deliberates and considers and weighs the consequences of what they decide. (Yeah...I know our Supremes are Corrupt since 200 Selection...but I still hope for better)

Chris Matthews in the Senate is like Al Franken... It's good to have more Dems...but when you have Harry Reid running things (where did we ever manage to get him and put him in power) and you are used to being a "Hard Charger" then do you really belong in the US Senate?

Doesn't having these "Hard Chargers/Media Figures used to High Income and Perks" there...sort of defeat what the Constitution tried to avoid?

I don't agree with you on this... I think he would be a disaster...and it's not a good fit for his personality. And, I don't think Al Franken is a good fit either... I'm not going to be so partisan that I think replacing a Bad Repug with a Bad Dem is the way to go. Just saying...
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:35 PM
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58. no.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:36 PM
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59. yes
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:01 PM
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71. Matthews will not make the same mistake he made in 1974.
He refused to accept contributions and relied on volunteers. That will get you nowhere.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 10:21 PM
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73. He did great letting Michelle Bachman screw herself. Loved that!
Edited on Thu Dec-04-08 10:26 PM by Waiting For Everyman
I think he'd be a good Senator. And as for past mistakes, a "convert" is often more committed after taking the step to change sides. I think he was genuinely suckered by Reaganism, as many were. Now, he sees that and isn't happy about it. I think he'd be more in favor of prosecuting the guilty than some other Dems would be. And I think his original blue collar orientation will be final now.

My gut says give him a shot, he'd be good at it. Just like Hillary. There's no difference to me - I'm just as mad at her, for just as good reasons. Nevertheless, I think she'll be a good SofS NOW.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 11:13 PM
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76. Nice response.
This is the stuff on DU that makes it good.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 12:09 AM
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79. When has he ever repudiated being "suckered by" RAYGUNism?
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 12:21 AM by UTUSN
To answer my own rhetoric, he has NEVER said he was suckered by RAYGUN. Just recently he flared up ferociously on the piddling point when a guest referred to RAYGUN as a "B actor." He did as many visits with Nancy and got himself filmed walking arm in arm with her as he could, only wishing it could have been with RAYGUN himself.

He has made some sucking sounds about being suckered by Shrub, only because the overwhelming results of the polls have trashed Shrub, but the point is, WHY is so much of his history made up of all these WRONG FOR US choices? Those of us old enough here were NEVER suckered by RAYGUN or Shrub, yet this fellow who really believes he is so smart, and others like him, WERE and will continue to be by the next Mc5PLANEs, the next Ahhhnuld, the next whassisname (the wrestler) Jesse VENTURA.

Re: "his original blue collar orientation will be final now" ---------uh, much "blue collar" impetus these days is towards the Rethug side, not our side, plus, to repeat, his "original" background was of "cloth coat (Rethugism)." And what makes his stance NOW more solid than all the different ones BEFORE now?!1

As for "giving him a shot," do we *ever* have a choice when these ego-maniacs make their decisions to run?!1 When they go through the motions of supposedly "weighing" both sides, they ALWAYS end up choosing to run.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:30 AM
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88. You might equate Hillary with Tweety..your choice. One BIG difference: Hillary didn't vote for Bush.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:34 AM
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90. I was gonna say, 'no frackin' way, but.... why the hell not?
:D He'd be better than Norm Coleman or Saxby Chambliss. :think:



:D




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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:35 PM
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92. HA! great work SR and you're right

Tweety would be better than a LOT of other candidates.

and I would support him as Senator.

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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:10 PM
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93. sociopathic opportunist plans to spend his retirement as a senator
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:56 PM
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95. replacing one moderate republican with another.
:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:59 PM
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96. I'm not in Pennsylvania so it doesn't matter what I think but I don't trust Matthews.
That said, Tweety would be a better senator than any Republican I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are better Democratic candidates, though.

Matthews just blows with the wind, this way, then that, then the other way again.
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