Russian analyst predicts the collapse and breakup of the United States.

[roamer65]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3521671/US-will-collapse-and-break-up-Russian-analyst-predicts.html

Are we the next Soviet Union?

[crispini]

1. Nah. A breakup idea is silly.

He's clearly seeing things through "Soviet Union" style glasses because of their history. I just don't see the same impetus for breakaway regions here, no matter how bad things get.

[Phredicles]

2. This is what I've been worried about for a while.

[malaise]

14. I've been thinking about this since the end of the 1980s

You don't promote the breakup of other countries without giving the same ideas to your own secessionists.

[tbyg52]

3. Wouldn't be surprised. But then I read science fiction.... ;->

Way too much of it is rather depressing and rather believable.

[VADem11]

4. Yeah right

If the country didn't end up splitting permanently during the Civil War, it's not going to break up now. The six regions he defines make no sense at all. He honestly thinks that there will be a country composed of the Northern states because of strong Canadian influence and that Asian Americans will take over the west coast? The analyst is full of crap.

[Greyhound]

10. It did. That's why there was a civil war. n/t

[VADem11]

12. Not permanently though

[Greyhound]

15. No, the north subjugated and brutalized the south and forced them back under our control.

144 years later, they still resent it.

[MUAD_DIB]

18. The South got what it deserved.

[Greyhound]

19. and we've been paying for it ever since. How do you think it's working out? n/t

[MUAD_DIB]

20. I'd say it working out great. Thanks.

There's always consequences that the victor has to deal with.

One is listening to the second guessers and hand wringers.

[Greyhound]

21. Really? Don't know whether you've been paying attention, but things have not been

"working out great". Much, if not most, of our political insanity is because of the resentment many southerners feel over that debacle.

[MUAD_DIB]

22. I guess I have been paying attention.

What turned the South ruby red Republican was LBJ's great society.

Perhaps you should brush up on your history. ;D

[MUAD_DIB]

26. A link.

http://www.counterpunch.org/gray12112004.html


How the South Became Republican: It's About Race

By HEATHER GRAY

The South has now shifted from being the conservative Democratic stronghold to a Republican base and southern politicians bring the baggage of excessively conservative social and greedy irresponsible economic policies into the Republican fold. Interestingly, it was the Republican Abraham Lincoln's presidential elections in 1860 and 1864 and the Democrat Lyndon Johnson's election to the White House a century later in 1964 that rallied the Southern politicians to enforce their conservative and segregationist stronghold. Race has always been at the core of Southern politics and the South has always closed ranks against any efforts for equality. This, in spite of the fact that it was a "white" Democratic southern politician, Lyndon Johnson, who passed the most important civil rights legislation in the country's history.

[Greyhound]

27. Try the Civil Rights Act. That was the whole reason behind the southern strategy.

The course we chose, fighting the war to force them to stay, resulted in the animosity and bedrock racism that personifies the south to this day.

I think it is you that needs to think about the consequences of historic events. You might also want to look at the consistent results of using violence to impose your will on others.

[MUAD_DIB]

31. Don't cry too hard on your pillow tonight. Okay?

[Greyhound]

33. Wow, what an ingenious reply. Perhaps Glossu Rabban would be a more apt handle for you. n/t

[MUAD_DIB]

34. Thanks! Looks like you aren't babbling about the South any longer. ;D

[madokie]

11. Way too much vodka talking there for me

to hear any of it.

[elocs]

5. "a central state with a large Native American population"?

Since there are only about 1.9 million Native Americans scattered across the entire nation how can there be a central state with a "large" Native American population? Sorry, I don't buy any of this. This "analyst" should stick with Russia.

[varelse]

6. He couldn't possibly have an agenda or ulterior motives, right?

Prof Panarin, who has written several books about "information warfare", also forecast that America would no longer be "the world's financial regulator", instead replaced by China and Russia.

"Alaska could be claimed by Russia, he said, claiming that the region was "only granted on lease, after all".

Just sayin'

[notadmblnd]

7. Does he know this because he can see Alaska from his back yard?

[smoogatz]

8. If the Republicans had managed to stay in power, no outcome

would be too grim or too implausible. If you had told me back in 1999 that George Bush's idiot son would steal the presidency, bankrupt the country, subvert the Constitution, wreck the economy, invade two countries without winning either war, and allow a handful of Saudi lunatics to successfully attack the U.S. mainland, I would have asked you what you were taking and where I could get some. Fortunately for all of us, we will shortly be the beneficiaries of regime change.

[Deja Q]

9. "attempt to"; it's not bankrupt yet.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. He's projecting. He's assuming a similiarity between the US and the Soviet Union

that simply doesn't exist.

[Selatius]

39. The only commonality I see is bloated military budget, an overextended military, and huge debts.

Beyond that, there's no similarity.

[TahitiNut]

16. Well, we could auction Alaska to China and Russia ... highest bidder.

:evilgrin:

[balantz]

17. Some far-fetched ideas. But it does raise interesting thoughts about the possibility of

the country being regioned into sections for easier DHS security beginning at the fast approaching catastrophic depression. Out of that could come a brand new America(s).

[leftstreet]

23. Good. I hope my state of WA merges with British Columbia n/t

[girl gone mad]

24. Texas is the only state that can legally secede.

I can see a movement for secession here, since our economy seems to be doing better than others at present. I don't know how successful or popular it would be, though.

[Vickers]

25. Gotta link for that?

:shrug:

I've heard that claim before, but it seems there is no factual basis for it.

[ogneopasno]

28. A homogenized language and culture does a lot to keep a large population together.

Neither of which the Soviet Union had.

[David Zephyr]

29. This guy needs to put down the fucking vodka for a while.

What a dip shit this "analyst" is. And quite the racist, too.

[FarLeftRage]

30. FarLeftRage's analysis says Russia will breakup and collapse

Russia is not a uniform nation, but rather made up of of many diffrent European and Asiatic mini-states.
They have no common language, no common religon and no common national interests...

[neverforget]

32. Will he next tell us how Red Dawn will happen for real one day?

[Dark]

35. 'america would no longer be "the world's financial regulator", instead replaced by China and Russia'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Maybe china. But Russia's got a loooong way to go.

[Mendocino]

36. I've always hoped for a Great Lakes Basin Nation.

We can call it Waterstan.

Besides I can almost see Windsor from my House.

[rufus dog]

37. So.... Texas takes the deep South and

does what? Can't for see the East Coast breaking from the Mid West nor the West Coast doing something similar. So that would leave Texas and the Southern States. Florida wouldn't go, which ties in the Carolina's and Georgia in. So you would have a nation with ports on the Gulf. Seems a bit risky and costly. You would have Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, then what? Try to pick off Arkansas? Tennessee? Kentucky? Would the Japanese automakers with facilities in the South want to risk increased export tariffs?

Just some random thoughts, but it doesn't seem to be a logical conclusion without a great deal of divisive rhetoric from internal sources.

[Tabasco_Dave]

38. My Magic Eight ball can make better predictions. n/t