Florida Republicans distance from new committeeman, Stormfront, son of former grand wizard

[madfloridian]

of the KKK. The Herald Tribune has an article and picture about it. The situation appears to have sneaked up on them and caught them off guard. That sounds like one very confrontational meeting.

From Palm Beach County.


THE NEW YORK TIMES / JOHN RICKSEN Palm Beach County Republican Chairman Sid Dinerstein, left, and other GOP leaders are trying to distance the party from Derek Black, right, without stirring up a conflict that would draw more publicity.

A small vote in Florida raises specter of KKK

WEST PALM BEACH - Officially, the Republican Party of Palm Beach County rejected Derek Black's recent election as a committeeman because he failed to sign a loyalty oath.

But such technicalities hardly explain how a minuscule election -- Black won 167 of 287 votes -- has attracted the attention of hate groups nationwide, and opponents like the Anti-Defamation League. This, rather, seems to reflect heightened sensitivity to issues of race in the age of Obama, and the intrusive power of history.

Black is more than just a 19-year-old college student with a taste for politics. He is also the son of Don Black, a former national grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. At age 11, he contributed a "kids page" to his father's "white nationalist" Web site, Stormfront.org, where the message boards disparage nonwhites. The younger Black denies being a white supremacist.

"I am a white person who is concerned about discrimination against white people," he said in an interview at a local Starbucks. And yet, Black, speaking softly, wearing a hat, boots and a sport coat, could not identify a single ideological difference with his father or the KKK, nor could he bring himself to agree with the tenet that all men, regardless of race, are equal.

Last month, at a "Euro-American" conference in Tennessee organized by David Duke, one of the nation's best-known white supremacists, Black gave a speech comparing his campaign to George C. Wallace's resistance to desegregation in the 1960s. In an audio recording posted online, Black can be heard telling the crowd that he sees local Republican politics "especially with the election of Obama, as the way white people will have to respond."

"We can infiltrate," he said, adding, "We could politically take the country back."

Republican leaders say they had never heard of him, or his family, until reporters from The Palm Beach Post told them.

I actually feel kind of sorry for the GOP, because that kind of infiltration could happen to any party.

[Drunken Irishman]

1. He looks like a loser.

[madfloridian]

2. That hat..!

Did you see the guy in the background leaning forward. He looks angry.

That hat is really something else.

[Ian David]

4. I bet he bought the hat at Disney's Animal Kingdom. n/t

[Harry Monroe]

26. Makes him look like a pimp

[Ian David]

3. A White Supremacist named Derek Black?

If he'd been named Derek Gay, would he be running around with Fred Phelps?

[ecstatic]

25. LOL nt

[Oak2004]

5. Ever open two browser windows, Stormfront in one, Free Republic in another?

I suspect this one is just one of the few who've been caught at it. I am convinced that there is significant overlap between white supremacists and the Republican "base". I'd love to run some detailed language studies on the two sites to find the "double dippers".

Didn't O'Reilly's "War on Christmas" start with white supremacists? How'd that creep into the Republican 'mainstream" if the Republican right wasn't dabbling in white supremacist, neonazi, and related ideas on the side?

Edited to add: I think many "good" Republicans say what they think they should say at Free Republic, and say what they actually think, unrestrained, at Stormfront. Reading the two sites side by side over time shows far too many ideas seem to filter from one site to the next, for me to believe that there are not some mighty strong connections.

[madfloridian]

6. Now there's an interesting thought.

That should be revealing.

:hi:

[Oak2004]

12. I'll bet with a little shaking of those trees a number of GOP officials will fall out nt

[PatGund]

9. Well......

In the research I've been doing tracking the Obama Birth Certificate nutcases, I've noticed a lot of stuff gets crossposted from stormfront to Free Republic and other RW and Cult of the COLB nutcase sites. (Example was a picture of Obama in diapers with a "Kenyan Birth Certificate" that started on Stormfront and made it's way around the various sites.

In fact, one of the people claiming to have found evidence of fakery, "TechDude", originally was posting at Stormfront. And one of Obama's big critics, Andy Martin, is a known anti-semite.

So the idea of crossover doesn't surprise me in the least.

[madfloridian]

31. Interesting....

I could not bring myself to follow that stuff it was so disturbing how much attention they got overall, still getting.

I remember that Martin name from some other subject...can't pin it down now. Was he on TV or has he been a guest? Sounds familiar.

[anonymous171]

13. Started with Reagan and his crusade against "welfare queens" (to his base: black people.)

[WeDidIt]

32. Stormfront infiltrated Free Republic YEARS ago

If you look at the vast majority of those pushing the birth certificate cult, they're really Stormfronters.

[yardwork]

38. Interesting and not surprising. A lot of PUMA turned out to be racists.

I wonder if some of the PUMA posters were white supremacists, too. I'm talking about the low post count ones, notably the ones with flower names. There were dozens.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. And David Duke says:

America is certainly not a free country when a duly elected American is denied his office because of his opinions.

Derek Black, 19, a registered Republican of West Palm Beach, Florida was duly and legally elected on August 26 by the voters of his district to represent them on their county’s Republican Executive Committee.

Even though legally the Republican Party cannot deny voter registration or political participation to anyone on the basis of his opinions, It has been announced by the Palm Beach Chairman of the Republican Party, Sid Dinerstein, that he would deny the legally-elected Derek Black, to take his position on the committee.

Sid Dinerstein, a Jewish-extremist loyalist to Israel, has the chutzpah to think that he has the right to deny Derek Black his legally elected office because he doesn’t like Mr. Black’s views.

Sid Dinerstein is a member of many Jewish organizations that unashamedly support the perceived interests of the Jewish community and the interests of the Jewish State of Israel. Why should he be allowed to deny a duly elected seat to a European American who does exactly the same thing for European Americans that Mr. Dinerstein does for the Jewish people and Jewish State of Israel?

more... (this doesn't appear to be a hate blog at all)

[madfloridian]

8. I will leave that up to the Republican party in Florida.

Actually they say it is because he did not sign a loyalty pledge....but most likely they are not happy about his racism.

He has a total right to be racist, and to run for office.

However in another case...the citizens of a Central Florida small town who did not do their homework and voted in a former grand dragon of the KKK on their commission. In shock and alarm they reacted when they found out who he was.

I don't know what happened, guess he is still serving. It would behoove people of Florida to find out who they are voting for.

As I say people have a right to be racist, and to run for office. If people vote them in, that is their problem.

[CatholicEdHead]

23. The fact the have loyalty pledges is still telling

Even though they used it to deny him an office, accepting a party's platform and pushing an loyalty oath are two different things.

[Dr.Phool]

27. Democrats have to sign a loyalty oath also.

And it has to be notarized.

[madfloridian]

29. Now they are requiring a 2nd one? Do you know what it is?

Trying to find out.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Know anything about Derek Black? Want to say something about him?

Add your thoughts to the Derek Black page on the Truthiness Encyclopedia (http://www.wikiality.com/Derek_Black)

I just started it, and everyone is welcome to add your own jokes, etc. just make sure you create a free account so no one can see your IP address.

If you have any questions, drop me a note.

[madfloridian]

24. Good grief, your first picture there....that hat again.

Is there some significance to that hat? It is truly weird.

[bushmeister0]

11. Remember the "Democratic" LaRouchies who won in Illinois?

TIME:

"The two candidates who won the Illinois Democratic state primary nominations for Lieutenant Governor and secretary of state in shocking upsets are actually followers of reclusive, ultra-right-wing, perennial Presidential Candidate Lyndon LaRouche. Mark Fairchild and Janice Hart, two travelers from the Twilight Zone of politics, narrowly defeated the handpicked nominees of Adlai Stevenson III. Stevenson won the Democratic primary for Governor with an overwhelming 88% of the vote.

The returns jolted everyone in Illinois politics. 'This is insane,' said an incredulous Republican Governor James Thompson. 'A disaster,' exclaimed Democratic Chairman Calvin Sutker. Stevenson was both angry and adamant. 'I am exploring every legal remedy to purge these extremists from the Democratic ticket,' said he. 'But one thing I want to make absolutely clear. I will never serve on a ticket with candidates who espouse the hate-filled folly of Lyndon LaRouche and the U.S. Labor Party.'

. . . Apparently many voters around the state, unfamiliar with the candidates, cast ballots for Fairchild and Hart because their names sounded more ) comfortable to them than those of their regular Democrat opponents, George Sangmeister and Aurelia Pucinski. The fact that Hart and Fairchild were listed first, alphabetically, gave them an edge with uninformed voters."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960991,00.html?promoid=googlep

D'oh! It did happen, here, and it could happen again.

If you've ever seen these crazy bastards roll through the more low rent sections of DC with their militant door to door tactics, you'd be more afraid of these "Democrats." I went to elementary school and Jr. High School in Palm Beach County, trust me, they're all idiots there, but . . .

"We will roll our tanks down State Street, and make sure every citizen is armed, with reason and beauty. We will hang traitors and hang people who are responsible for feeding our children drugs . . .' There was more: 'He (LaRouche) will put the fear of God in people like Henry Kissinger and the State Department, the biggest hotbed of treason in this nation since Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton.'"

These people are really scary.

BTW, just saw an AMWAY ad on the national broadcast of the Monday Night game. WTF?

[madfloridian]

14. It could happen anywhere where people vote without paying attention.

Yes, Amway ads are everywhere. Surprises me.

[Kalyke]

15. Wow. That hat is so... so...

Children of the Corn:

[madfloridian]

18. Does resemble.

It is such an odd hat...not your normal everyday hat at all.

[CitizenPatriot]

16. I'm not clear re his claim that he can't be denied his office

because of his "opinions". Aren't those opinions actually in conflict with the law? If he can't agree to the basic premise this country was founded on, "all men are created equal", then how could he possibly serve in any official capacity? How would citizens who are not white ever be able to trust that the law would be honored?

Also, if I hear one more white Republican whining about being discriminated against, I am going to insist on reeducation camps for them, where they can experience the day in the life of a minority in this country.

Signed,

a white girl who knows better

[madfloridian]

19. I don't know the legal issues involved.

But in my mind if one openly advocates that all are not created equal, it should pose a problem. But then that's just in my mind, and many won't agree. Heck many even in our party think gays and women are not all created equal and need to have their rights managed.

:shrug:

You make valid points.

[CitizenPatriot]

20. thanks Madfloridian...

You have no idea how rare that is to hear (that I make valid points) :-)

We need to make a concerted effort, as liberals, to ensure that all people are recognized as equals. That seems like true patriotism to me.

[madfloridian]

21. You have no idea how rarely

I hear that I make valid points. I know the feeling. :evilgrin:

[CitizenPatriot]

22. Ah, well, let me be One of the Few

to say...

MadFloridian, you made some really valid points.

cheers to you; I love a logical brain!!!

:toast::toast::toast:

PS I am quite sure that it's everyone else, and not us. You know?

[gratuitous]

17. Wait, what are his ties to the governor's office?

Is the Republican governor of Florida a member of the Ku Klux Klan or not? He says he's not, and there's no mention of him on the KKK membership rolls, but questions still linger.

Why isn't the popular media getting to the bottom of this story? What are they trying to hide? Why won't the governor's office issue a clear statement?

Gee, this is so easy and fun!

[Dr.Phool]

28. Guv's on his honeymoon.

More important things to do.

[gratuitous]

30. So he hasn't answered any questions?

What is the governor hiding? Why won't he face the media? Questions. Linger. And stuff.

[WeDidIt]

33. How ironically fitting for the GOP

His philosophy pretty much lines up with the rest of the GOP, any way.

[Chulanowa]

34. What the heck do you mean, "infiltrate"?

This kid is the heart and soul of the Republican party. He's the base that was courted by them for the whole campaign season. He's the welfare-hating, democrat-loathing, white fantasy-believing, bullet-headed racist motherfucker that the party has been courting and pandering to since '72.

[yardwork]

35. This didn't sneak up. This has been in the works for months.

I read about it months ago and I'm not even in Florida. The Republicans did nothing to stop this. They just hoped that nobody would notice.

[madfloridian]

36. I did not know that. They knew it was happening?

Well, we noticed. :)

[yardwork]

37. I know that I read about this some time ago, right here on DU.

[Ganja Ninja]

39. I don't feel sorry for the GOP at all.

For decades now they've welcomed these racist pricks in with a wink and a back slap. Too bad for them when the mask falls off and they're exposed for what they really are.

[sinkingfeeling]

40. Read about this in the SPLC 'Intelligence Report'.

[iconicgnom]

41. "that kind of infiltration could happen to any party" - yes,

As they say, "vigilance!". hehe

On the other hand, there's a point where there's no "infiltration", but where a candidate mirrors the talking heads who influence voters, like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, Hannity, and that crew of shrill over-the-top bigots. But these talking heads speak in favor of a particular political party, the Republicans, with a nod to the Libertarian whack-jobs. When a candidate mirrors such as these, that candidate has come home, to a very rich and media savvy home.

I'm just so totally f*cking amazed at the size of audience share that these talking heads get. By that I mean an audience which shares in the spirit of that Republican message, and gets fired up by it.

I mean, there's nothing *disguised* about it.

[Canuckistanian]

42. Why try to distance him?

He's GOP material. He fits their demographic perfectly and supports their aims.

He's just more out front about it.

[Catherine Vincent]

43. David Duke: "We could politically take the country back."

Back from who? Politically, there's a majority of white people that are in charge. Are they so upset that a small percentage of non-whites hold office?

[readmoreoften]

44. Shouldn't they be more inclusive to the interests of their more 'right wing' constituents?

:sarcasm:

Actually, I support their 'ideological' decision to be against white supremacy.