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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:07 PM
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Mail was delivered on Sundays until 1912.
According to Gary Wills (in his book Head and Heart: American Christianities) Sunday mail delivery was stopped in 1912 as one of the final acts of the Third Great Awakening.

If America was founded as a Christian Nation like the Christian Right so often claims, why was mail delivered on Sundays until 1912? That's right, the absence of mail on Sundays is actually a modern development. The so-called 'Christian' founders didn't have a problem with Sunday mail delivery.

When in 1810 Congress brought the national postal system into existence, it legislated for seven-day mail delivery without anyone initially raising the problem of Sabbath violation. By 1828, however, with national religious consciousness growing, local religious leaders began to complain that post offices, which doubled as gathering places in small towns, were diverting the faithful from attending church on Sunday. Committees were formed in both the North and the South to demand that mail on Sundays be stopped.

Consider this very carefully: Sunday mail service wasn’t the object of criticism because it caused work on Sundays, thus violating prohibitions against working on the Sabbath. Instead, it was the object of criticism because it meant that post offices were open on Sundays, and this created competition for churches holding Sunday religious services.

In other words, Christian churches didn’t like the very minor competition created by an open post office and wanted the government’s assistance in eliminating that competition. They wanted Sunday all to themselves — they didn’t want anything to divert people’s attention from their church services. Because they recognized that what they offered was so poor, however, they wanted government help in doing this.
We can find the exact same thing happening today, too.

What followed was the first major national discussion of the proper relationship between the federal government and religion since the ratification of the Constitution. Stating that “our Government is a civil and not a religious institution,” Kentucky Senator Richard M. Johnson took the lead in arguing that the law should not be changed. Johnson made the pragmatic argument that ending Sunday delivery would delay mail service on the other six days and slow the growth of the national economy.

But he also emphasized the principled claim that changing the law would require the government to take a stand on what day, Saturday or Sunday, was the Sabbath. Once the government began to “determine what are the laws of God,” Johnson warned, there would be no stopping the rise of religious oppression. What was more, worried Johnson, the fact that religious groups were acting in concert to end Sunday mail service presaged further political activity by “religious combinations.” Here was a political concern that Madison would have found familiar: religious diversity might cease to protect nonestablishment when different religious denominations could form alliances.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/02/19/sunday-mail-service-in-a-christian-nation-book-notes-divided-by-god.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Great_Awakening



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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:13 PM
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1. I know that during the 1950s,
it was delivered on Sundays during the Christmas rush. But only during that time.

My Dad worked for the Post Office, and I remember that he would have to work seven days a week for the time leading up to the holiday.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:26 PM
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2. It was also delivered twice on Saturdays, in some places.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:27 PM
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3. We didn't get "Under God" in The Pledge until June 14, 1954..either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

"In God We Trust" didn't come around on our paper money until Oct. 1, 1957 It like the Pledge God was approved by Eisenhower as our motto on July 30, 1956.

American presidents such as Theodore Roosevelt strongly disapproved of the idea of evoking God within the context of a "cheap" political motto. He considered it sacrilegious to put the name of God on money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust


I guess the Republicans need constant reminders of God, that our forbearer's didn't seem to need.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:29 PM
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4. I can't believe the police, EMTs and the fire dept work on the Sabbath.
Going to hell, the lot of them. Since preachers, pastors, reverends, etc also work on Sunday...well, you get the idea.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:44 PM
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6. According to Numbers 15:32-36
we're supposed to stone those that violate the sabbath. I think it's a good idea, Sunday services in college got a lot more interesting after Fr. Brad started getting stoned before the mass.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:02 PM
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8. Stone the cops. Got it.
Wonder how that will go over for them.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:36 AM
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19. The cops stone themselves
You really think all the stash they confiscate in the dope busts goes to the evidence room? :evilgrin:
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:31 PM
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10. Well what did Jesus say about working on the Sabbath?
But in any case the Biblical Sabbath was Saturday not Sunday.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:33 PM
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5. Okay, but please don't refer to Sunday as the "Sabbath"
that makes my eyes glaze over. :eyes:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:38 AM
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20. Usually, when I refer to the Sabbath, I mean....

....Ozzy, Tony, Geezer, and Bill
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:56 PM
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7. 'In God We Trust' on coinage and 'Under God' in pledge.
Both started in the 1950s as propaganda to combat the godless Soviets.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:09 PM
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9. Mail became less essential with the coming of the radio and the telephone.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 01:59 AM
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13. Tell that to people come the first of the month....
when the checks come.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:40 AM
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21. Isn't that why God created Direct Deposit?
:shrug:
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Budgies Revenge Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:45 AM
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11. lots of interesting ideas in Mr. Johnson's report
Perhaps the religious right should peruse them sometime. I particularly like...

"Extensive religious combinations to effect a political object are, in the opinion of the committee, always dangerous. This first effort of the kind calls for the establishment of a principle which, in the opinion of the committee, would lay the foundation for dangerous innovation upon the spirit of the Constitution, and upon the religious rights of the citizens. If admitted, it may be justly apprehended that the future measures of the government will be strongly marked, if not eventually controlled, by the same influence. All religious despotism commences by combination and influence; and when that influence begins to operate upon the political institutions of a country, the civil power soon bends under it; and the catastrophe of other nations furnishes an awful warning of the consequences."





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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:56 AM
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12. History has a liberal bias. Kick and rec. n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:00 AM
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14. Really?
I never noticed the liberial bias.:smoke:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:04 AM
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16. Haven't you noticed the liberal bias reality has? n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:03 AM
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15. Most of our religious regulation came well after the nation was born. n/t
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:19 AM
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17. they generally got the bars closed too...ultimately, tho- the nfl was too much competition for god.
so he became a fan.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:34 AM
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18. I think they should cut back mail delivery to 5 days a week.
Nothing to do with religious reasons. But with less written correspondence due to e-mail, and competition from UPS, FedEx, etc in package delivery, and many people paying bills electronically (when they can afford to pay them anyway)is there REALLY enough mail to justify 6 day delivery. All the junk mail arrives on time.... yeah, big deal.
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