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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:19 AM Original message |
Thom Hartmann -vs- Paul Krugman |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Those two usually agree but on three issues Thom differs from Paul: |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You definately know Hartmann well |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yeah he played it smart when it came to the primaries |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Krugman said he liked Clinton's healthcare plan better than Obama's. You're making up the rest. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. I think Krugman was not so much an HRC supporter as an Obama basher. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Krugman and Hartmann view the economy from different perspectives, if that is what |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. I've only seen Thom lose an argument ONCE. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. How funny are some of those Ayn Rand deciples? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I miss Dewey. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Me too :/ |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You may not be the only one, but you can't prove it by me. Bernie RRRAWWWXXX!!!! |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I think hes a good guy but |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Nope, I skip over Bernie's hour these days |
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smokey nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. Dewey was GREAT! I also miss Hy from Staten Island, another of Sam's regular wingnut callers. |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. same with Carrie Lucas |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The lady from Independent Woman's Forum probably carves her flesh after calling Thom. n/t |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The point of my post is this- |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. After reading Krugmans last book, he makes it pretty clear |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Aren't rates now rock bottom? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes, but that doesn't appear likely in the near future |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Flat tax on FICA earnings |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. There already is a flat tax on social security |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Sure, there's one rate, |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Problem with flat taxes of any kind |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. How can flat be regressive? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. They are regressive because of the tax burden |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It depends on how you define "flat" |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Great post and you nailed it...I rarely miss "the smartest man in the room" |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
21. What do you think of Ravi Batra? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Not Only Do I Agree With That. . . |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. There's really a lot more to the economy than simply taxes |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Couldn't you attribute the economy under Carter and the Reagan Recession to... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I wouldn't |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Not at all, at least not directly... |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
75. Nonsense. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. That is almost exactly what I said. The costs of the Pentagon didn't |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. You are forgetting the oil shocks |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I'm not convinced |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
26. This really isnt accurate- |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. This really isn't accurate- |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Major, did you live through the 90's? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. My union card has a date in the 80's on it |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. It depends on how one interprets the data. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
32. Krugman is dead wrong on this |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. The hypocrisy and double standards of the Libertarians |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. A libertarian is just an anarchist that lacks committment |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. Dear sweet Jesus, Krugman is a Nobel-class economist and Hartmann is a radio host |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Kind of a false dichotomy no? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Well actually he is a well respected researcher, author, and historian. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. The two disiplines have a lot more in common than that |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. With a degree in computer science, and minors in chemistry and biology, |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Krugman earned his Nobel for his research regarding Free Trade n/t |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. I'm going with Hartmann |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. Maybe not the guy who said.. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Roosevelt raise taxes during an economic downturn? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
45. Krugman, a beacon of reason during the last decades, has been |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Not sure what you've been reading- |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
47. Krugman's blog |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I certainly hope Krugman supported the 700b bailout. |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Rep. Peter DeFazio |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. How's that bailout working out? |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
48. 12/31 Hartmann show |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
53. Hartmann is absolutely wrong, and Krugman is absolutely right. Hartmann's 'case' is bull. |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Here, I'll set the record straight |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Again, the three "examples" he provides have demonstrable alternative causes. |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Why the Economy Grows like Crazy Amid High Taxes (on the wealthy) |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. The economy crashed post-Stock Market Crash because the Fed tightened money supply. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Every time the wealthy get a rate cut everyone suffers. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Have you taken Macroeconomics 101? This is really basic material. |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I think you are inadvertantly making Hartmann's point |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. You do make my point for me. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. I am saying we need to give tax cuts to the working poor without raising taxes anywhere else. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 05:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Do you disagree with these observations? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. The problem is, larger deficits really aren't an option |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I think this kind of restructuring has to be stimulative. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. That's one way to look at it |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You are absolutely correct. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. You're correct, but looking at it the wrong way |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. the more benefit you receive from that society, |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
67. Thom Hartmann doesn't have authority to speak on this matter |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. What do you mean authority? |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
70. Let's return to Tax & Spend policies |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
78. Thom twice tipped his hat to Krugman today |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
83. Hartmann came way down in my estimation this week with his defense |
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pilsner (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Did you hear the hour with Ray Hanania? |
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