"Atheist? Where do your rights come from?"

[Bluebear]

Evidently the atheist and secularist of this land don't even enjoy the plural "s"....


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God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.
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[Taverner]

1. You are born with every right in the known universe

If you can manage it, you can commit genocide

You have the right to smite all left handed people from the planet - or if you are right handed, every rightie.

But because of social contracts, you must modify said rights. All of us on the opposing handed side of the argument say NO to genocide based on handed-ness.

We live in society because we believe in the Social Contract - the idea that if you don't kill me for a stupid reason, I won't kill you for a stupid reason.

[BlueJazz]

2. "We get our God given rights from our Creator "

Ahh..You mean the creator you made up ??

[Blarch]

3. It's a problem.

[ThomWV]

4. I don't need your fuckin' god to give me my fuckin' rights

They are mine unto myself devoid of any reference or need or any reference to your, or anyone else's, god.

[madokie]

5. Thats how I feel about it too

[arthritisR_US]

12. ditto! n/t

[JI7]

6. God is an asshole

[Jamastiene]

7. Save the lions. Let's not let them go extinct. We may need them. n/t

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

11. Save one for me.

A lot of us do argue for your rights and for non-Christians to be left alone. If you don't want the help of people who can speak in the same language as the barbarians, then feel free to commit us to the flames as well. Just remember that it puts you on the same level as those you hate.

[Fumesucker]

15. Trouble is a lot of us think that when push comes to shove..

A great many liberal Christians will side with the extremists before the atheists.

Rightly or wrongly that is the perception.

[FarCenter]

8. Our rights come from natural law

Which doesn't necessarily suppose a Creator of nature.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

9. Natural law, if that floats your boat. Or they're self-defined if you want to go Sartre's route.

There are a lot of ways to come to the consensus of what we call human rights. Just because I use a God to get to that conclusion does not mean I expect others to. It just means I act in accordance to how I believe that God would want me to behave based on faith and reason.

[alfredo]

10. Why is it always the people who want power over us are the ones who

speak for "God"? If this "God" wants to lead us, he needs to tell it to our face, not through lacquered and botoxed shysters. I buy nothing sight unseen.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

13. Rights? What are these rights you speak of?

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George H. W. Bush

[1monster]

14. Your question relies on a logical fallacy, that our rights are either god given or state given.

If one is an atheist, it does not follow that our rights as human beings in this world come from the state.

Please remember that humans existed before the state. Humans created the state.

Ergo, the state receives its rights from us and not vice versa.

I'll grant you that the state is always and forever trying to deny us our rights and we have to fight to keep or regain them every single day, but that doesn't mean that the human rights are granted by the state.

The state, after all is the people. And where ever there is a state (or any form of government) there will be those who try to expand their own personal power and by trying to deny the rights of others.

[stevedeshazer]

16. Sufferin' succotash...

[MineralMan]

18. My rights are not negotiable, fundies!

Do come and try to remove them. Please. My rights come from millenia of human history. My ancestors fought for them. I will fight for them as well.

So, take your best shot.

[Odin2005]

17. Rights are creations of society, and only creations of society.

I've gotta disagree with what the founders thought and instead I agree with 18th century British ethicist Jeremy Bentham that the notion of "inherent" and "self-evident" rights is "nonsense on stilts". The notion of "inherent" and "self-evident" rights might be politically and ideologically attractive, but it is a notion that is philosophically dubious Platonistic nonsense.

[rrneck]

19. Pay no attention

to that man behind the curtain. Thousands of years ago it was some asshole with feathers on his head. Now he wears a two thousand dollar suit. Fuck 'em.