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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:36 AM
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Is there any way people like us can influence the MSM
to enlist new Pundits. Ones that actually know what they are talking about. We have had to endure the same old Pundits for over a decade now. George Will, Peggy Noonan, Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, the list goes on and on. Everything they have said about politics has been proved beyond any shadow of doubt to be completely without Merit, yet they are still on there yammering their BS. Is this deliberate or are the people that run the Networks just that damn stupid?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:38 AM
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1. short of killing all the old ones,
no.

Most of them work directly for the "national security" apparatus and are immune to hiring and firing.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:40 AM
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2. Turn it off. Tell them you are turning it off, and get your
analysis somewhere else.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:41 AM
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3. No -- and why are you watching . .. ???
I think some energy should still be put into trying - but my answer is "no" --

"The myth of a free press in America died with the assassination of JFK."

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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:50 AM
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4. Saw it, What disgrace Three Unrepentant and a Sycophant.
ABC deserves to be reamed on the pin hole view of the world pushed by that bunch.

I monitor ABC just to get a feel for the battles that we face. Newt, Noonan, "Flat World" Friedman and Stephie were abysmal. Newt wanted to assail us with the irrefutable: Hamas has one goal that is to destroy Israel and Bush had no attacks on U.S. since 9/11 thrown at the audience without rebuttal or background.

It's like the Dems won but the Right will be pacified too have its say uncontested.

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 12:05 PM
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7. Bin Laden
has made it possible for the president to destroy the US. We are in a pickle because we were so scared that we took our eye off the ball. That bs about we are safer now is just a lot of nonsense. We are bankrupt and Osama Bin Laden engineered it. Destruction doesn't mean bombs and airplanes running into buildings. He has destroyed us and George Bush let it happen.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:52 AM
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5. Yeah, tune out
Deprive their sponsors of a warm body to sell their crap to.

It's the only way.

Of course, it helps if you write them a letter telling them why you've tuned out.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 11:54 AM
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6. Do not watch. And make any and all of their "stars" = 0 on the internet, i.e. do not
read and/or post/reply/respond/interact to any internet activity that has any of their names in it.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 12:12 PM
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8. The people on TV news are the same group in the board rooms and in political office
Edited on Sun Jan-11-09 12:12 PM by RandomThoughts
They are like a group. They sometimes even swap positions.

If 10-20% of the people know they are being told a slanted version of things, that does not matter.

For example, if everyone on this site knows something, and knows something should be done. It absolutely does not matter unless the 80% that get all their news in a few minutes of TV, bar talk, or radio on the way to work, believe it is also not correct. Remember guy who thought Mr. Obama was Muslim a few weeks before election. Also most of society is bubbilized, so groups don't cross pollinate.

One of the most fascinating things about society is that it does not matter if 20% know its all ridiculous, if they never talk to other people, or never actually do anything.

Just off the top of my head, here are some things that could be done. Get a list of known things that are not true you heard on some news source, put them on a piece of paper, with proof. Pick the most obvious. Then with a list of sponsors of the show. Go and tell everyone you know, explaining to them what you believe is going on, and why it is important. would you stop buying product? would they?

Then get together with groups of 20 or so, and stand outside local stores with the fliers and very politely show the names of sponsors and why you are boycotting them.

Sounds pretty funny, and I have to admit, I never have started a boycott, or done fliers, but I will tell you what, it is really tough to even get a few people to listen to anything. They have been trained, "don't talk politics", and some of them actually just start screaming when you quietly point out all their safe little thoughts of how 'war is peace', don't make sense. Then you just change subject, maybe ask why they are mad.

And many of them absolutely do not care if people elsewhere die, or if others lose there job, they have no concept that what happens to the neighbor might impact them. And they have never identified with a person 1000s of miles away, and have no empathy for them. "They are all just -insert label -"

And here is the thing, if the 20% that know things are wrong, don't ever do anything, how can anyone expect the 80% that just go along and get along will ever do anything.

You could also attend meetings or donate to causes you believe in, and then introduce others to what they work on. There are some local media voices, look for a local cable access chanel, sometimes they get on between the other stuff on cable access. Unions might be a place, or some of the activist groups might have media sections.

Just some ideas. But thats how hard it is. Look how hard it was for MLK to organize marches, and he was fighting for the rights and dignity of the human race! Imagine how hard it would be to make an argument, 'they are a bit slanted by corporate agenda.' Its that hard. you literally have to deprogram a life time of image and thought indoctrination. Sometimes you actually have to teach what basic concepts like liberty/security balance, and have to explain that corporate rule and capitalism is not the same thing as democracy, that the words mean different things. Sometimes you would have to actually get someone to think about the possible suffering of others, and by doing that you add to their suffering, for if they empathies then they suffer along with the people they identify with. Do we even have the right to do that?

So do you want to start talking to your friends, co-workers, social friends about this stuff? Most people don't, it gets pretty frustrating and lonely, but after a few years you can actually see a difference in an entire group. If you can never get angry, and never get pushy.

But on a bright side, there has been a shift in punditry, if you look at 4-5 years ago, you can see it has changed a bit.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 12:13 PM
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9. Its worked well for them so far.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 12:15 PM
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10. Yes--push for legislation to restore restrictions on consolidated media ownership!
Edited on Sun Jan-11-09 12:21 PM by snot
As long as all outlets are owned by a few monopolies, they'll continue to promote mediocre people biased in favor of the owners. Last bill I was aware of was one proposed by Maurice Hinchey, a House Dem. from NY. (see http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Rep._believes_Democratic_media_reform_bill_0121.html ; http://www.house.gov/hinchey/issues/mora.shtml )

And while you're at it, please also take action re- protecting the internet, where free, diverse speech is already suffering serious incursions. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a good place to start (http://www.eff.org/ ).
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