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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:54 PM
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When people talk about Slave Reparations how come we never talk about Muhammad Ali?
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 02:26 PM by Lost in CT
Muhammad Ali was a Albanian gent who is considered the father of modern Egypt (His dynasty lasted till 1952)



With the Mamluks out of power and the French occupation over, Egypt was thrown into a power vacuum. Muhammad Ali, a young officer who had been 2nd in command under his uncle's son Sarechesme Halil Agha, was sent by the Sublime Porte to eject the French. Muhammad Ali stepped in to fill the power vacuum by establishing a local power base of village leaders, clerics, and wealthy merchants in Cairo. With no one else able to hold the office in safety, he was recognized by the Porte in 1805 as Wāli of Egypt, owing fealty to the Ottoman Sultan. Ali spent the first years of his rule fighting off attempts to unseat him and extended his personal authority over all of Egypt. In one of the most infamous episodes of his reign, Ali definitively broke the power of the Mamluks by massacring their leaders. Having worn down the Mamluks for years with raids and skirmishes, he invited their emirs in 1811 to a feast to celebrate his son Tusun Pasha's appointment to lead the army being sent against the Wahhabi rebellion in Arabia. The Mamluk emirs were ambushed and killed by the Pasha's gunmen in the Cairo Citadel, where the feast was to be held, in what was known as the Massacre of the Citadel. The corpse of Siam Bey, one of the leading Mamluks, was dragged around Cairo as an example to anyone who posed a threat to the Governor's rule


But alas Muhammad Ali also revitalized a dead slave trade.

Under the new government established in 1821, Egyptian soldiers lived off the land and exacted exorbitant taxes from the population. They also destroyed many ancient Meroitic pyramids searching for hidden gold. Furthermore, slave trading increased, causing many of the inhabitants of the fertile Al Jazirah, heartland of Funj, to flee to escape the slave traders. Within a year of Muhammad Ali's victory, 30,000 Sudanese were conscripted and sent to Egypt for training and induction into the army. However, so many perished from disease and the unfamiliar climate that the survivors could be used only in garrisons in Sudan.

In search of slaves for his army to offset losses of men in Arabia, and in search of gold, Muhammad Ali Pasha, in 1820, sent his army, led by his son, Ismail, southward into the Sudan. Ismail fought the Shakiyya people, a people with horses and a warrior tradition but still with weaponry from the Middle Ages. The Shakiyya were slaughtered, their ears sent to Egypt's capital, Cairo, by the basketful in exchange for bounty payments. Moving farther up the Nile, Ismail, in June 1821, conquered the trading center at Shendi - where slaves had been a major item of commerce.

After Shendi, Ismail conquered Kordofan. But he found only worn out gold mines. The gold and booty that Muhammad had been hoping for would not be forthcoming. Slaves were shipped to Cairo, but only half survived the journey.

Since the scars of Ali's actions are still felt in southern Sudan today. Why is there no cry for reparations from the Egyptians to their colonies on the world stage. (This is in reference to the newly rejected conference on racism)

Not to mention why an African American would name himself after a white slave trader but that is another post. On edit it appears to be a common name so never mind... but Forest Whitaker's parents still have some explaining to do


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sudan_under_Muhammad_Ali_and_his_successors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_Mansur_az_Zubayr

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h37-af.html
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:59 PM
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1. The point of this post being?
:shrug:


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:01 PM
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2. Just another call to "White Unity".
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:05 PM
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5. No

It is asking why the seller is never taken into the moral equation when discussion slavery.
Centuries of condemning the evils of slavery seem to have let the person who sold their
fellow human beings into slavery off the hook
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:06 PM
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7. White Unity! They're Just As Bad As We Are! White Unity!
Have fun.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:08 PM
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Who said anything about white unity?


I was explaining what I believed to be the OP's main point.


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:12 PM
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10. Sorry, I'm not going with the lie. Don't waste your time.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:14 PM
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11. And I'm not going with your lack of reading comprehension.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:14 PM
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12. Boo you have me confused as well.
What in gods name does this have to do with white unity????

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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:05 PM
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20. Did you see C-Span yesterday afternoon?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:08 PM
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9. Dios Mio! Not this pile of mierda again......
:eyes:
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:03 PM
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3. The former Cassius Clay didn't name himself after a slave trader.
He took a fairly common Muslim name that means "one who is worthy of praise...the most high".

Somewhere in the span of history, I'm sure there's an evil criminal that shares most people's common names. (Unless you're named Mergatroid Hypontenuse.)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:05 PM
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4. To people of a certain sort, it just doesn't matter.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:39 PM
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17. I share a name with an IRA bombmaker!
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 02:39 PM by Occam Bandage
I found that out after a particularly fun post-9/11 trip to the airport.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:58 PM
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19. Your John Morgan???? nt
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:05 PM
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6. The names "Muhammad" and "Ali" are like "Smith & Jones"
in Islam. To assume the former Cassius Clay chose Muhammad Ali to be named after the "father of modern Egypt," is quite a stretch.

Muhammad (one who is worthy of praise) Ali (fourth rightly guided caliph). ʿAlī (Arabic: علي , also spelt 'Aly is a male Arabic name, derived from the Arabic root ʿ-L-Y which means "high". It is a common name in Arabic countries, as well as Iran, parts of Africa and is also a domestic name in Finland.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:07 PM
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8. Well it is inspired by criticism of the Obama administration on dropping out of the Racism Conferenc...
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 02:16 PM by Lost in CT
One of the reasons given (besides the 600 Pound anti-Israeli rant in the room) is the slave reparations passages that unfairly target America while letting African and middle Eastern nations off the hook.

So when we talk about colonialism and reparations ect... why do we ignore the non-european nations that also participated. One could easily point to the Japanese as one does the Egyptians or Turks.

On edit is in wrong place....
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MrPerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:24 PM
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13. How bout that Thrilla in Manilla?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:32 PM
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14. Yep. Lot of people did some bad shit throughout history.
But regarding Cassius Clay? Muhammad is the Prophet. Ali is the First Imam if you're a Shi'i, or the Fourth Rightly Guided Caliph if you're a Sunni. Being named "Muhammad Ali" is like being named "John Paul."
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:34 PM
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15. Yeah I fixed that in OP... nt
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:37 PM
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16. Slavery and racism are a part of all humanity, not just one race
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 07:50 PM
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21. Yeah it is amazing when you look at east Asian history how it often
parallels western European history.

Humans are humans no matter where they are.

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:58 PM
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18. Muhammed Ali was Albanian , Albanians are White
All the evils of the world come from white people it seems ......

(Sarcasm , I am just dumping down my IQ replying in your level of understanding.)
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