So now we know we were not paranoid

[nadinbrzezinski]

yes, bushco had a massive power grab and those memos were released by DOJ

Good question, and are they going to prosecute?

Then again we have the Obama DOJ still making claims of unitary executive

These may be Bush era lawyers... and they may be off the reservation, but until they are fired and things clarify ... I will assume the worst

As some of us said, the needs of Empire supersede the need of party.

SO until then observe...

For whatever' worth my tinfoil going back to the national supply, as we were right, and replaced it with a tricorner hat... if you miss the reference, look at any revolutionary era painting and head gear... ever vigilant

[yorgatron]

1. I was listening to the local conspiracy theory radio show on my way home tonight,

somehow they don't seem so crazy anymore... :tinfoilhat:

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. That is because conspiracy has been given a bad name

on purpose

That's the truth of the mattter

[conscious evolution]

6. And deliberately so to boot.

All one has to do is spend a few minutes in the dungeon to see it.The vast majority of CT's concerning Sept !! are the result of mis/disinformation campaigns created to discredit and/or paint CT'ers as lunatics.
A current example of this psychological warfare is the backpack nukes theory being used to bring down the WTC.The whole purpose of that theory is to paint CTers as idiots and lunatics.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. WOW but the problem is two fold

you also have people who by no fault of their own are willing to believe anything

So the Psyops have an easy time there

Pocket nuke WTC... wow...

[conscious evolution]

8. Check it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x229856

One of the MO's they use is have other operatives working in tamdem in support a theory.This has creates a bandwagon effect to draw others in.Thgey also have people working to debunk the theory in order to provide the debunker with a personae of someone who can be trusted.Its an old,old strategy in warfare.Create a diversion to allow the real mission to unfold without others realizing it is happening because they are tied up in dealing with the diversion.

[Journeyman]

2. I can't imagine any American not believing their every action is observed. . .

given the establishment of the Dies Committee in the late '30s, the activities of HUAC throughout the '40s and '50s, and the sordid conclusions of the Church Committee in the mid-'70s. It's an unbroken chain of ongoing surveillance and investigation stretching from A. Mitchell Palmer to Michael Mukasey. And though there are periodic episodes of public accounting and sometimes censure, the surveillance continues, grows ever more sophisticated, and persists in an ever-widening circle of diversification -- from Justice to Congress, the FBI to the CIA, the NSA to the DOD -- which now extends to the DHS, to the very telecom companies themselves, and to agencies we most likely won't hear about for years.

Given the worsening economic situation, and the turmoil sure to spring from it, I can't imagine why anyone would believe a change of administration has squelched a century's worth of increasingly sophisticated surveillance operations.

[wuvuj]

3. The worst part of it...

...being the trend towards privatization of surveillance by Bushco. Your information in private hands. Your information being used politically and for profit?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. There are plenty who are still in denial even here

so yes, I can see people denying this

Ah that tricorner hat fits just dandy

[Journeyman]

10. On reflection, I should have written "any informed American" . . .

as there are very few of those, either on the streets or on these boards.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I know and on many subjects, not just this political aspect of politics

[tom_paine]

9. Anyone who had a lick of historical knowledge and the desire to follow the facts where they lead

KNEW THEN that we were not paranoid. You and I, nadine, and perhaps 10-30% of DU... relatively lone voices in the wilderness, then and now.

As I always say to the now two or three dozen times, I made 99.999999% assumptions because of the definitve nature of the Totalitarian Mind, "It's nice to have confirmation of what I already know."

For me, the understanding of Totalitarianism, and it's new Bushified Version (maybe Obama can turn things back, was and IS a shock to my scientific bent of mind.

After all, 99.9999999% certainty is a bad quality in a scientist, in things less demonstrable than water boiling at 100C and 1atm, and it was only after two decades of observation, 1980-2000, that I began to understand the genuinely unAmerican quality of the Rushpublicans, and that their party followed the rules not of freedom but totalitarianism.

That led, through thought and further observation of Bushie actions, to the idea that the dictates of the authoritarian/totalitarian mind remain so constant throughout history and so fixed in their desire to control all aspects of society, that one could become an excellent predictor of the future by knowing how totalitarianism operates.

The new, BushPutinist form, is called Inverted Totalitarianism.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy/

Anyway, that't a lot to say to say that, due to the relatively unchanging nature of the totalitarian/authoritarian mindset throughout history, whatever indivdual snakeskin it wears this time around, we KNEW, as close to 100% certainty as we could get, all along, that we were not paranoid.

It's always nice to get confirmation of that which we already knew. One nice thing about Obama, agree or disagree with his actions, he is not of the predictable totalitarian mindset.

[spanone]

11. in essence, they were traitors. ready to destroy what this nation is built upon. the constitution

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Problem is that accusing them of treason and proving it in a court of law

will be harder than people think

Why?

Thank king george for that.

And I don't mean shitforbrains, but the original one that used treason for just about anything

That said, you are correct