What really pisses me off is that there's even a slightest HINT of a question about prosecuting Bush

[BigBearJohn]

and his cronies.

The biggest criminals in over 200 years and we have to THINK
about prosecuting them?

If we don't, then there really is NO hope. None. Zilch. Nada.

-end of story-

[Kitty Herder]

1. Yeah, me, too.

It blows my mind.

[Solly Mack]

2. It says a lot about America doesn't it? And none of it good.

If a group of people who fancied themselves protectors of human-kind were to go on a crime spree - kidnapping people they considered bad, secluding them in secret and not so secret hide-outs, then torturing their victims, some to death....we'd have a new "trial of the century"...non-stop, 24 hour coverage of every aspect of the crimes...with members of Congress breaking their necks as they rush to the nearest TV camera so they can talk about being "tough on crime" and how the "rule of law" means people can't act as vigilantes....


but if that same group of thugs happen to be members of government....well, that's different. I mean, gee-golly, they're public servants...we just can't go around criminalizing the actions of public servants just because they're illegal. Just because it's murder when Joe Blow does it doesn't mean it's murder when Joe President or Joe CIA does the exact same thing. Can't we all just forgive the public servant!?!?!

[newfie11]

3. I know how my German friends feel.

They are still very upset about Hitler and the horrible atrocities he did. Now here we are with bush and the horrible atrocities he and his crones did. If they are not all prosecuted for war crimes I will be embarrassed to say I am an American. The mockery of our justice system Rove is doing is unbelievable.

[Diclotican]

6. newfie11

newfie11

At least in Germany, they for the most part have learned the hard way, to not play ball with this type of ideology.. Many, many in Germany is upset with Hitler and all what become of Germany between 1933 and 1945.. But then you tend to learn it the hard way, when your country is flattened and 99 percent of your City's is more or less a rubble... Germany was hit hard by the allies, and the damage to every thing and everywhere was horrible in Germany after the war.. But somehow even after that, the germans rebuild their country, and accepted the guilt and are today far more democratic and stable than they was before.. And I doubt that this extremist ever would hold foot in Germany ever again...

On the other side, US have been blessed for many, many year with no such thing like Hitler, and the 8 year with mr Bush was something that You have never experienced before.. And you are still not flattened like Germany was after WW2.. But US _MOST_ signal to the world, and to their own people that you do not accept that type of regime.. Because you newer know if you managed to have another regime, who is far worse than even Bush was in the future.. If they who committed this crimes are given a free pass today, only god know what type of regime US can experience in the future...

Diclotican

[tavalon]

4. Yeah, every time "Should we?"

is put in front of "Prosecute the Bush administration for war crimes.", America looks worse.

[Diclotican]

5. BigBearJohn

BigBearJohn

What I believe, who are outside your country, is that the regular american is afraid of touching this issue. Because if they did, they would destroy the myth of USA one and for all.. Over the last 70 year, the american are told that they are special, they are different from everyone else in the world.. They are more honest, and do not do atrocities just for the kick of it.. That the GI soldier is far better educated and far better trained to not kill innocents.. And the the american Government for the most part is just better than everyone else..

Under mr Bush, the whole concept of what US was tending for, was falling appart... Torture, kidnapping, murder, imprisonment and so on, everything you an I can think about, and then a lot more are been doing in YOUR name the last 8 year. And if every crime this Administration ever got to the surface, then the whole idea of US been better than the rest Will implode more or less...

But that is not that you do not NEED a trial, and that every one of this criminals, have to be prosecuted.. If the american public do not dear to do the right thing, the american Will denie the fact because they do not know it.. It is like if Hitler and Co, was making off the hook after the war. Because the american, the russians, the french and the british was not daring to put them into prison, and then into cort for their crimes... The best the american can do, is to go forward, and document every crimes this Administration of mr Bush have been doing, and then prosecute the living hell out of them... Then you might even can sleep better in the night, because your government are doing the right thing...

I would guess that it is documented enough, all over the place that the former administration of mr Bush are war criminals.. But that the document have to been known to the current administration.. Maybe behind the scenes the hunt for the documents are on, and that the Obama Administration are working hard to document, and work with the juridical system, to make a water tight case against the most senior members of the Bush Administration?.. You seldom tell the criminals that you want them in the dock.. This is something that you do in silence, and then hit hard before they can run out of the country...

And if nothing is coming out of it, every one of this persons must believe one thing, and really believe it too.. In Europe we have ICC, and they would not rest if this criminals are traveling to our place in the world.. If the document about the criminals is coming to ICC, then you might se some of them in the dock here.. And dam the US marines if they try to "liberate" they who are in prison in Haag.. The Dutch have some pretty good special forces they too... And if US marines are to "liberate" americans from the prisons in Haag, they have to accept a shooting war...

Diclotican

[BigBearJohn]

12. Well said and thank you for your thoughts.

[Usrename]

7. I think everyone is still in outrage overload mode. Too many outrages.

We have a Justice of the Supreme Court that needs to go, too.

He spends the weekend (an overnight sleepover) with the defendant in a case that is before him, then refuses to comply with demands that he recuse himself, and it's somehow supposed to be OK.

Here is some detail for anyone who has no idea what I am ranting about:

Scalia told a gathering at Amherst College on Tuesday night there was nothing improper about his accompanying Cheney to Louisiana last month to hunt ducks. The trip came three weeks after the Supreme Court agreed to hear the Bush administration's appeal in a case involving private meetings of Cheney's energy task force.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/18/politics/main607115.shtml

Scalia won't recuse himself from Cheney case

From Bill Mears
CNN Washington Bureau
Thursday, May 6, 2004 Posted: 11:35 AM EDT (1535 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia refused Thursday to recuse himself from an upcoming case involving Vice President Dick Cheney, with whom he recently hunted and dined.

"I do not believe my impartiality can reasonably be questioned," Scalia said in a 21-page memorandum, rejecting suggestions of an appearance of a conflict of interest.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/18/scalia.recusal /



A Closer Look At The Case From Which Justice Scalia Has Refused To Recuse Himself:
The Momentous Stakes, and the Larger Political Context
By JOHN W. DEAN
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040326.html


SCALIA'S EXPLANATION FOR RECUSAL REFUSAL IS UNCONVINCING
Professor William G. Ross
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/ross1.php

Scalia believes that going on an overnight recreational outing with a defendant should be viewed exactly the same as if he had attended a state function where a defendant was also attending.


To him, attending the inauguration where Cheney was present was no different than going on a weekend long hunting trip with him. What does that say about his judgment and his ability to be a SC Justice? Doesn't it prove he is mentally unstable and unfit to serve?

[flyarm]

8. watch out ..the Kool aide drinkers will be here any minute to attack you!!

or as one big one said....she is "MANNING " these boards !!

Look out..they are gonna get'cha!!

( and i could not agree more with your comment.i feel the same..but Obama doesn't see that Bush did anything wrong..in fact he is doing everything he can to hang onto the powers that Bush stole from our constitution!!)

[goforit]

9. Yep, the worst treasonists ever known. They are plain and simple ANTI-AMERICAN.

[Mnemosyne]

10. I continue to believe that, at the very least, we owe the rest of the planet, especially Iraq and

Afghanistan, the prosecution of these criminals.

Excellent post, dearest John!
:hug::hi:

[spanone]

11. i think washington dc is mostly 'us against them' they protect their own

[EFerrari]

13. We're either have the rule of law or we don't.

:shrug:

[rolltideroll]

14. It;s not the time

It is far more important to do as much damage to the GOP as possible and push an agenda forward that will prevent them from winning ever again, then wecan worry about Bush. No reason to give them a martyr.

[Swamp Rat]

15. yep