DUER'S seeking PROSECUTION of BUSH/CHENEY CRIMINALS check-in thread

[bobthedrummer]

This is not negotiable:
war crimes
war profiteering
espionage
murder for political reasons
crimes against humanity
treason
torture
unconstitutional laws, decrees and orders.
:hi:
:patriot:

[leftstreet]

1. K&R

[BluePatriot21]

76. yup yup yup

yes, yes, yes. I am losing hope however, but I will continue to at least support these threads. Nice guys never win.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

116. In A BIG Way

[nRkiSt]

135. With extreme prejudice n/t

[jtrockville]

2. and justice for all

[fascisthunter]

3. yessah

[cynatnite]

4. another check-in thread. n/t

[Warpy]

5. Prosecuting this scum is absolutely vital

and I hope the people digging through the chaff to find things like the memos released yesterday are putting together a big enough case to be tried first in the press with enough public outcry to force trials in Congress or the courts.

We can only get the rule of law back when we insist on having it for all.

[spanone]

6. you go bobthedrummer!!!!!!!!

[vaberella]

7. I support it!!

K*R

:kick:

[EFerrari]

8. K&R

:hi:

[no_hypocrisy]

9. I'll believe it when they get Rove first.

[ProgrezivIndie]

10. ab-soul-utely! k&r n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

11. Damned right!

[ThomWV]

12. As we roll into another week - still with you.

[nc4bo]

13. There is a need for Justice. nt

:hi:
:patriot:

[pleah]

14. K&R Always on board!

:hi: :patriot:

[butterfly77]

15. K&R!

[SouthernLiberal]

16. We are obligated to do so

The USA is bound by international treaties to prosecute war criminals. If the 'Truth' commission give immunity to this bunch, then they become criminals themselves.

[gordianot]

17. Only if they start at the top, there is not enough prison space for middle management.

[merh]

18. check this conflict out

Seems as though Rove's attorney is on staff with Obama's administration.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5185239

[liberalmuse]

19. Wholeheartedly.

I we value The Constitution, then we must force the Bush administration to answer for their crimes.

[PDJane]

20. Indeed. And no truth and reconciliation.

Indictments and prosecution, and now.

[peace13]

21. Still waiting.

Hope I live to see the day!

[readmoreoften]

22. K&R

[Vadem]

23. K&R ....n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

24. R&K

No Justice...No Peace!

[City Lights]

25. K&R

Hoping the truth will come out and those responsible will be held accountable. :fingerscrossed:

[noiretextatique]

26. government and corporate criminals

all the bastards should pay for their crimes :kick:

[iamtechus]

27. Get a rope! nt

[Solly Mack]

28. Yes, please

[Blue_In_AK]

29. Still seeking, still checking in. n/t

[hootinholler]

30. Is it that time of the month again?

:shrug:

I'm always in Bob, you know that.

-Hoot

[specimenfred1984]

31. K&R, nt

...

[tonycinla]

32. Won't happen

It simply will not happen.The country has it's hands completely full in averting financial disaster.Washington is bursting at the seems with people from both parties guilty as hell about something.Move on to more productive,constructive pursuits.

[Mnemosyne]

33. Thanks Bob, on my mind every single day. KnR n/t

[Hissyspit]

34. Yo.

Word.

[NorthCarolina]

35. K&R

Although personally I don't think anything of consequence will ever come of it. Leahy will likely get his chance to confer immunity to everyone involved and that will be the end of it. Politicians protect their own.

[chknltl]

36. It's good that society decided NOT to 'look forward' .....

...back in the mid to late 1940's. IMO history needs to repeat itself.

[Usrename]

37. Here!

Give 'em a trial.

[Ferret Annica]

38. As in Doonesbury in Nixon's time: GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!!!!

Take them to the Hague in irons.

[pacalo]

39. Here!

[keepthemhonest]

40. yes count me and the 4 other people

I am supposed to remember to count in case they don't find it this week.

[taught_me_patience]

41. NOBODY is above the law

:patriot:

[Hotler]

42. YO!........eom

[madokie]

43. checking in

[baldguy]

44. We should give them a fair trial.

Right? Give them a fair trial, first. THEN we'll hang 'em!

[rosesaylavee]

45. Still here.

[JDPriestly]

46. Checking in. We can't allow Bush and his pals to check out without

paying the tab.

[Politicalboi]

47. I hope to see the day

They get prosecuted for 9/11. But any prosecution which requires jail time for a long time is ok with me. Not gonna hold my breath though.

[vanboggie]

48. Still here

Salivating to see Rover, Chimpie, LuciferCheney, Rummy, etal frog marched and in orange jumpsuits.

[BigBearJohn]

49. Count me in.

[bdamomma]

50. I do!!!

[Hun Joro]

51. I'm in.

[whoneedstickets]

52. Prosecute!

[Dinger]

53. Kick & 50th Rec From Ding,

BIG TIME!

[MasonJar]

54. I'm checked in big time. Now how do we accomplish it?

[Peace_Sells]

55. I Support it for Sure

[trickyguy]

56. K&R. I'm behind this but when does the action begin?

:evilgrin:

[FarLeftRage]

57. I'm Here!

Let's get those bush bastards!!

[MissDeeds]

58. Here!

K&R :kick:

[slipslidingaway]

59. Checking in n/t

[mmonk]

60. Will we still be doing this 10 years from now?

If so, I'll still be here. For as long as it takes.:hi:

[anitar1]

61. prosecution of Bush/Cheny criminals

checking in.

[orbitalman]

62. Count Me In ... dammit

[rolltideroll]

63. We want it done, this is not the time

It is time to consolidate the victory, concentrate public will and political capitol, keep the GOP demoralized and beatn, and for damn sure do not give them a martyr. I know this is not about vengance for most people, but the agenda is too important to risk by doing something like this that could backfire andd set us back 20 years.

[Rhiannon12866]

64. K&R. I'm certainly on board.

I was also vehemently against the inexplicable invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, my opinions don't count... :-(

[midnight]

65. That's right Bob. No negotiating. We want the rule of law!

[MrsBrady]

66. that is a K and an R

[proud patriot]

67. I keep checking in to these threads

I sure hope we as a country can hold our heads
high again after we retain the integrity of our
"Rule of Law" .

[rolltideroll]

68. Let sleeping dogs lie

I am not trolling, I really just think this is dumb,the potential for backfire is too great, it misreads the American people, who we are going to need in about 18 months to make sure we can grab total control of the Senate, then we can back bench them. From a pragmatic point of view, this allows the GOP to once more paint Liberals as nutty, divisive and, due to Bush's military ties, allows them to keep that pro military trump card. I was in the Navy, I can attest to Bush's popularity.Just wait.Revenge is a dish best served cold, my non Klingon friends.

[The Hope Mobile]

69. You're very wrong. The American people have repeatedly said

they want it and making these things completely public will be the very last nail in the republican coffin.

[rolltideroll]

73. I hate to be a naysayer

I really do. This will not work. I said it now.We would be insane to push our luck, Wait till the second term,. A move like this could cost us Virginia in the election of 2010, and If i had to pick between Bush in jail and a second Obama administration, I go with reelection every time.

[The Hope Mobile]

132. Naysay all you like. You're still very wrong.

[rolltideroll]

137. We disagree

But I respect your viewpoint. I just want to avoid the kind of fight that FDR went through to increase the number of SC justices. It almost derailed the New Deal.I just want the future to be progressive,and I am not willing to risk that on the EXTREME off chance that Bush spends 1 day in jail. His record alone is punishment enough, he has to live with the idea of being vilified by history. I guess I am alone on this, but on a risk benefit analysis, from a pragmatic viewpoint, this is not worth it. Until December 2013.However, I respect your opinion, and would like to hear the counter arguments.

[The Hope Mobile]

141. Well, you and most of the American public disagree per the polls.

[rolltideroll]

151. The polls

Americans are fickle, change positions in second and are easily manipulated by corporate media. Thye will pull out everything to save their boy.I understand it is the irght thing to do, but this is a case where the needs of the many ( a progressive society built upon liberal ideas) are out weighed by the dangers of eradicating that hope by pushing for this. Once more, I am not here to cause trouble, I am solidly progressive, but the cause is the most important to me. I would like to say I see your viewpoint, and respect it.

[sce56]

72. BullShit! That is how we got into this mess in the first place when they let Nixon go scott free!

That just encouraged the elder Bush to break laws with impunity and then Shrub to. No we must demand that the law be upheld and the light of justice shine on all of the crimes of the past 40 Years!

[rolltideroll]

77. Not to be glib

But we are a political party, not Batman. Justice is not in the purview.I am all for going after the guy, but at a time and place when it is convenient, say when there are enough Dem. Senators to carry the motions through you are going to need for this. Forget the 3 crossovers you have to have,no southern or Midwest democratic law maker is going to get near this one. And they shouldn't the party needs them. FDR made a similar snafu when he tried to increase the number of supreme court justices. It almost killed the New Deal.

[navarth]

140. rolltideroll

you are fairly spoken, and courteous: two things I value in a poster.

I hear your arguments and I they probably reflect the thinking of the administration. At the same time, it cannot be denied that these people are war criminals, soaked in the blood of innocent people. They turned our country into a dictatorship. There should be a reckoning.

I hope it turns out as you're saying, that in a second term they could prosecute. BUT:

What about the Statute of Limitiations I've been hearing about?

Are these criminals going to walk free, as the others have done in the past?

The idea of Bu$h's punishment being his knowing that everybody hates him just doesn't wash. He doesn't care.

I say again: there should be a reckoning.

[rolltideroll]

152. Statue of limitations

To quote Jimmy Mcnulty from the Wire, " The thing about murder, it stays murder" We are still charging Nazi's today. It can wait.I see how far we have come, I don't want to risk a reactionary backlash. We have millions of new voters, realizing the potential of our message. But they are like skittish animals, too much to soon will scare them off.Yes they are war criminals, and WERE a clear and present danger to our liberties.But look at these election results. 6 years and the Democrats, by virtue of our intelligence in not running off Hispanic voters, can demographically overtake the GOP in places like Georgia, Alabama ( Roll Tide!)and especially Mississippi, home of the largest African AMerican community in the nation. The GOP is staring right up at a demographic landslide. If I can be forgiven for crudity,the GOP base did not reproduce at a rate commensurate with our base. Ideological purity finished what population dynamics could not. Can you imagine a party that are faced with these daunting facts deciding to hole up and cut people out of the party? That is base insanity, and a failure on the part of supposed patriots to understand how democracy works. Top that off with total ignorance of the Separation of powers ( the president is relatively powerless on abortion, that is a Judicial Branch area) and, to be honest I don;'think they have ever heard of the equal protection clause of the 14th.Why do I say all this? They are going to be as dead as Jefferson Davis in 15 years. We are in the end game. Bush is big, but the last thing we want is for some of the white population to flee back to the re pubs because they view the Dem's as vindictive. IT is just not worth the risk.

Thanks for the kind words, I look forward to hearing your response.

EDIT Bump said that, not Jimmy.

[The Hope Mobile]

167. Its "statute". The reason the newspapers and the rest of the MSM

aren't doing well is because the American public figured out finally that they are not a credible source of information which is why your argument is invalid.

[rolltideroll]

168. Incorrect

If you are going to argue that the American people don;'t change their mind, or that polls are laughably wrong and easily manipulated, you are living in a fantasy land.You are correct in pointing out my over reliance on spell check.

[The Hope Mobile]

169. "Statue" is incorrect and so is your opinion.

If you USED spell check or common sense you would know both of those facts.
Obviously, this is what they offer us IGNORE for. You will on that list for a lot of people soon. Ciao!

[rolltideroll]

174. Fair enough

At least you aren;t a jingoistic moron living out a pipe dream.

[rolltideroll]

170. Finally

You don;t have to convince them all, just enough, Most likely this is all just a fund raising operation by the DNC.

[autorank]

70. Checking in k*r

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder by Vincent Bugliosi. A Review by Michael Collins

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder: An Interview with Vincent Bugliosi - Part 1 Aug. 8, 2008
and Part 2 Aug. 12, 2008

[libodem]

71. check!

did you see the truth commission videos in the video forum?

[Stinky The Clown]

74. Your weekly post .... my weekly K&R

[Motown_Johnny]

75. I think Canada should arrest Bush when he goes to speak there on the 17th...

[SoDesuKa]

78. We're the Party of Change

It's traditional to let big time government crooks get away with it. So, let's start a new tradition. Indict these guys! Make them hire lawyers to defend them on charges of breaking the law. After all, that's what anybody else would have to do.

[Lugnut]

79. I'm still here.

:hi:

[Lindsey]

81. These thugs are criminals - guilty of war crimes, taking the

nation to war until false pretenses, incredible abuses of power (i.e. politicizing the Attorney Generals office w/the firing of the U.S. Attorney's), and much, much, more. This is supposed to be a country that adheres to the rule of law. What happened during the Bush Administration was criminal, they should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives.....

[Lugnut]

86. You won't get an argument from me on that.

:hi:

[kas125]

80. Still here, still as determined as ever.

[Zhade]

82. RIGHT HERE.

NT!

[chill_wind]

83. K & R n/t

[Initech]

84. Fuckin' A!!!!!

:toast:

[Kellen RN]

85. I'm game, just throw election fraud on that list for good measure

[AllyCat]

87. Still here

[BlueMTexpat]

88. Ab. So. Lute. Ly.!!!! n/t

[Two Americas]

89. .

.

[rhymeandreason]

90. Sound Familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Bashir#War_crimes_charges

War crimes charges
Al-Bashir is accused of directing attacks against civilians in Darfur

On 14 July 2008, the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Luis Moreno-Ocampo, alleged that al-Bashir bore individual criminal responsibility for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes committed since 2003 in Darfur.<6> The prosecutor accused al-Bashir of having “masterminded and implemented” a plan to destroy the three main ethnic groups, the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa, with a campaign of murder, rape and deportation.

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for al-Bashir on 4 March 2009, indicting him on five counts of crimes against humanity (murder, extermination, forcible transfer, torture and rape) and two counts of war crimes (pillaging and intentionally directing attacks against civilians).<7><55> The court ruled that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute him for genocide.<8><56> However, one of the three judges wrote a dissenting opinion arguing that there were "reasonable grounds to believe that Omar Al Bashir has committed the crime of genocide".<56> Al-Bashir is the first sitting head of state ever indicted by the ICC.<8>

Al-Bashir has rejected the charges, saying "Whoever has visited Darfur, met officials and discovered their ethnicities and tribes ... will know that all of these things are lies."<57> The warrant will be delivered to the Sudanese government, which is unlikely to execute it as Sudan does not recognise the International Criminal Court.<8><58> The Sudanese government responded to the arrest warrants by expelling a number of international aid agencies, including Oxfam and Mercy Corps.<59>

Of course in his enthusiasm for attempting to legitimize every aspect of lawless US policies, B43 also refused to recognize the Rome Statute and the ICC.

see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute

[Nostradammit]

91. Present and accounted for

Justice delayed is justice denied.

[earth mom]

92. K & R! nt

[earcandle]

93. It would be healthy to reveal the truth and make them accountable.

to the rule of law.

[opihimoimoi]

94. Justice would be nice for once....

[DUlover2909]

95. Check

:patriot:

[Optical.Catalyst]

96. Chimpy's forwarding address needs to read: Leavenworth, Kansas

[democrank]

97. Prosecute!

[acmavm]

98. If for no other reason than to keep these people from coming back again.

We need to protect our children and their children.

[barbtries]

99. not negotiable!

JUSTICE!

[Ganja Ninja]

100. Yup

[hraka]

101. K & R

[tomp]

102. i would add the plame affair/

i know libby's part in it has been adjudicated but there's more, there's cheney, at least.

[liberal N proud]

103. Still waiting

[NoFederales]

104. K&R w/ malice

NoFederales

[SlingBlade]

105. K&R, This is a Must !

Looking forward rather than backwards essentially means, Moving forward rather than backward.
And what we are moving forwards to is a permanent dictatorship inside the United States Government.

Either expose and prosecute it now or it WILL come back.
Nixon came back, worse than ever, Bush Sr. Came back,Worse than Nixon And George Dubya who suspended the Constitution for eight years WILL be back Permanently, unless they are stopped NOW.

This IS our second chance, This is our LAST chance !
Anything less than full disclosure and prosecution is setting up the ground work for the end
of our Constitutional Republic by flag waving religious extremist.

[leveymg]

106. Keep on posting, btd, and I'll keep on reccing!

[AlexDeLarge]

107. Checking In For Duty

Please keep the thread and the intention going! Justice MUST prevail over the BUSH League of CRIMINALS!

[conscious evolution]

108. Prosecute them

now.

[Jester Messiah]

109. Yar!

Dunno, just felt like responding in Pirate. :-)

[Octafish]

110. To the fullest extent of the law.

Then, when the United States is done with them, turn the war criminals over to The Hague.

[fasttense]

111. I'm with you. n/t

[Fire1]

112. Checking in. k&r

[seabeyond]

113. it would be the only responsible thing to do. since repugs into personal responsibility

they should have no problem supporting the dems in looking into any illegalities

[daggahead]

114. I am with you! n/t

[axollot]

115. 10/4 rubber-duckie! n/t

[Joe Bacon]

117. Checking in

K & R.

For too long, Republicans have been above the law. That must stop NOW!

[bonnieS]

118. agreed

[tekisui]

119. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse checking in!

[Phlem]

120. Oh hell yes

prosecute them to the FULLEST!

[man4allcats]

121. Lock them up and

send the key off to a metal recycling place.

[Kajsa]

122. Yes!

and it's long overdue!

:patriot: :kick:

[Wizard777]

123. Still here and still waiting.

[jcla]

124. W stands for War Crimes!

My button and my stand for over 5 years!

[UpInArms]

125. still here - still waiting

:kick:

[emmadoggy]

126. :sigh: Here again.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could stop doing this thread every week?

[Senator]

127. Talk Torture Only

That is the point of the spear. You either punish for it or are guilty of it.

The domestic crimes are squishier. But will easily follow once the way is cleared.

--

[MikeH]

128. We need to prosecute them

We need to actually DO IT.

K & R

[nyc 4 Biden]

129. Enough with appeasing these criminals to get them to cooperate.

If they don't show up for a hearing HAVE THEM ARRESTED!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

130. Once again Bob...

I am here and waiting. For some reason a lot of people think we should just forget these crimes. I bet, if I went to the grocery store and stole a couple of steaks, I would be going to jail if I were caught. I bet the store would make sure I was prosecuted. Shop lifting= go to jail. War crimes? It's okay, we don't want to live in the past. :eyes:

[Dora]

131. check

[L. Coyote]

133. ELECTION FRAUD in Florida 2000, in Ohio 2004, in NM 2004, .... Voter Caging

all the election irregularities, including caging, suppression, vote-switching .....

[The Hope Mobile]

134. ABSOLUTELY!!!

[Greyhound]

136. Still here, still waiting.

:kick: & R

[wroberts189]

138. Lets roll nt knr

[drm604]

139. K&R

[swilton]

142. K & R

Let's role!

:bounce: :woohoo: :applause:

[robertpaulsen]

143. Checking in!

:kick:

:hi:

[Sentath]

144. missed the last one n/t

[omega minimo]

145. TIME TO ASK DU ADMIN TO PUT DU ON THE LIST OF GROUPS SUPPORTING PROSECUTION

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5142060

[me b zola]

146. Checking in!

:kick:

[ensho]

147. kick

nt

[NanceGreggs]

148. Hell, yeah!!!

:patriot:

:kick: & REC'D!!!

[emlev]

149. Absolutely. n/t

[arthritisR_US]

150. as always, count me in! n/t

[LaStrega]

153. check

[femrap]

154. k and r nt

[geardaddy]

155. K and R

:hi:

[derby378]

156. It all started in the 1930s with that failed fascist coup against FDR

It needs to end today. Now. Once and for all.

[Pharaoh]

157. The world demands it!

[aldo]

158. If Leahy was neutered by the anthrax attack and Cheney's FU then he should resign

That's not to blame him, but the law must be enforced or this will happen again.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

159. My answer will be the same every time

To the Hague with them!

[TAGGLINES]

160. Hang the Fucking Lot of Them

:mad: :nuke:

This shit is NOT funny...Before this settles, we'll be in the streets with our own Glocks, robbing liquor stores to make ends "meet"...

I swear it's coming...
Like the Gates of Hell
Unleashed a wellspring full of pain...
It's coming...

[BuyingThyme]

161. ;hi:

:hi:

[RoccoR5955]

162. Jail to the thief! K&R n/t

[FlaGatorJD]

163. I call for a public stoning . . . .

I'll bring the popcorn. . .:popcorn:

[KaryninMiami]

164. Checking - ACCOUNTABILITY is Mandatory. Period.

[Kurovski]

165. K&R. Let's keep posting this regularly, for as long as it takes.

Thanks, bob! :thumbsup:

What happen to all the "tough on crime" conservatives? John Dean can't be the ONLY one, can he? :shrug:

[aikanae]

166. Long Overdue - Can Canadians Arrest Bush?

This is long overdue and the reason for half of the 30% still believing Bush lies is because "if they really did anything wrong, they would have been arrested or charged with something by now". Geesh. I'm sick of hearing that and trying to explain why not without democrats sounding like wimps. Half of the US doesn't realize how much the news is cooked and how much is left out - a trial would uncover a lot of that too and I don't expect it would be very popular.

Lesson for Obama: Clinton protected Bush Sr. and Reagan from criminal charges over the Iran/Contra affair, in an effort to be "bipartisan". Look what it got him. Not only that, but history was re-written, pardons and a lot of the same people (North, Contras) were back at the head of Washington D.C. in under eight years. Except one big difference; they learned lessons and got better at it.

Why can't Democrats learn lessons? Why can't they use controversy (negative or positive) to get their message out?

If Democrats let Bush and Cheney walk now, the US will have worse criminals in office by 2012.

I object to letting Bush and Cheney walk on moral grounds. I do not want to enable torture. I also expect US law to mean something other than a dual standard of justice and courts. They lied to Congress. They ignored something like 500 court orders. On and on ....

[The Hope Mobile]

171. yes-for war crimes

[Catamount]

172. I'm on your page!

Kick

[Vidar]

173. Oh yeah!