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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:18 PM
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What motivated Yoo? Weakness? Dumbness? Evil?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:21 PM
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1. Mental masturbatory exercises with visions of Empire? n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:23 PM
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2. I'm betting insecurity...
He strikes me as a Geeky, minimally competent and very insecure person, who desperately wanted to feel accepted and would sell his soul to achieve that. Bush*-Cheney were smart enough to detect this and his ideological bent, and to exploit it to their own aims. I'll bet he was picked on as a kid--probably as much for his Asian ethnicity as anything. Deep seated insecurity....
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:24 PM
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3. BINGO
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:37 PM
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15. I agree, but I don't think he's always been minimally competent.
Mebbe the 'smart,' fat, Chinese kid.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:24 PM
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4. Fuck Yoo!
Sorry. I've been waiting for an opportunity to post that.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:24 PM
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5. John Yoo is not weak or dumb.
His ego got the best of him so he gave Bush what he wanted. I don't know if I would call him evil but he certainly lacks a conscience. Perhaps he is like Bush and is amoral. For people like this there is no right or wrong.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:30 PM
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8. cheney/bush wanted an opinion that
would give them dictatorial powers. Yoo gave them that legal opinion. Undoubtedly guided by addington and libby. We need to decide what to do with these seeming foriegners to the constitution.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:27 PM
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6. Arrogance
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:28 PM
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7. Many would like to know if Yoo is a Moonie
There have been questions about whether he is a tool of Sun Myung Moon. We all know Moon's designs for America -- all of them treachery.

Is Yoo a Moonie? The question remains.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:34 AM
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21. That would certainly be useful information
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:31 PM
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9. He has that little demon from South Park that whispers into republicans ears.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:34 PM
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10. He probably picked up those ideas in North Korea
I think that's where he's really from.

If not, he's welcome to produce a birth certificate to prove it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:36 PM
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11. Nuthing against immigrants before anybody screams
John Yoo is the son of Police officer in the South Vietnamese government

He came as a refugee

And his critical formative years were very hard

He actually believes in the theory of the unitary executive.

Some of the things one learns from NPR interviews back in the day


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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:14 PM
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17. Yoo's father emigrated from South Korea and is a doctor (MD)
He practices general psychiatry in Pottstown, Pennsylvania.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:40 AM
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19. according to NPR he was in some sort of law enforcement in the home country
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 12:44 AM by nadinbrzezinski
regardless Yoo BELIEVES in the unitary executive...

Let me see if I can track the interview, it was fresh air

I think this is it

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4465423
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:29 AM
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20. Of course he believes in unitary executive, he's a DAMN member of the Federalist Society
He's also swirling in the toilet bowl of circular logic. To wit:

A brief primer designed to help you understand John Yoo



Jon Carroll
Monday, January 2, 2006

Perhaps you have been unable to follow the intricacies of the logic used by John Yoo, the UC Berkeley law professor who has emerged as the president's foremost apologist for all the stuff he has to apologize for. I have therefore prepared a brief, informal summary of the relevant arguments.

Why does the president have the power to unilaterally authorize wiretaps of American citizens?

Because he is the president.

Does the president always have that power?

No. Only when he is fighting the war on terror does he have that power.

When will the war on terror be over?

The fight against terror is eternal. Terror is not a nation; it is a tactic. As long as the president is fighting a tactic, he can use any means he deems appropriate.

Why does the president have that power?

It's in the Constitution.

Where in the Constitution?

It can be inferred from the Constitution. When the president is protecting America, he may by definition make any inference from the Constitution that he chooses. He is keeping America safe.

Who decides what measures are necessary to keep America safe?

The president.

Who has oversight over the actions of the president?

The president oversees his own actions. If at any time he determines that he is a danger to America, he has the right to wiretap himself, name himself an enemy combatant and spirit himself away to a secret prison in Egypt.

But isn't there a secret court, the FISA court, that has the power to authorize wiretapping warrants? Wasn't that court set up for just such situations when national security is at stake?

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court might disagree with the president. It might thwart his plans. It is a danger to the democracy that we hold so dear. We must never let the courts stand in the way of America's safety.

So there are no guarantees that the president will act in the best interests of the country?

The president was elected by the people. They chose him; therefore he represents the will of the people. The people would never act against their own interests; therefore, the president can never act against the best interests of the people. It's a doctrine I like to call "the triumph of the will."

But surely the Congress was also elected by the people, and therefore also represents the will of the people. Is that not true?

Congress? Please.

It's sounding more and more as if your version of the presidency resembles an absolute monarchy. Does it?

Of course not. We Americans hate kings. Kings must wear crowns and visit trade fairs and expositions. The president only wears a cowboy hat and visits military bases, and then only if he wants to.

Can the president authorize torture?

No. The president can only authorize appropriate means.

Could those appropriate means include torture?

It's not torture if the president says it's not torture. It's merely appropriate. Remember, America is under constant attack from terrorism. The president must use any means necessary to protect America.

Won't the American people object?

Not if they're scared enough.

What if the Supreme Court rules against the president?

The president has respect for the Supreme Court. We are a nation of laws, not of men. In the unlikely event that the court would rule against the president, he has the right to deny that he was ever doing what he was accused of doing, and to keep further actions secret. He also has the right to rename any practices the court finds repugnant. "Wiretapping" could be called "protective listening." There's nothing the matter with protective listening.

Recently, a White House spokesman defended the wiretaps this way: "This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner. These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings and churches." If these very bad people have blown up churches, why not just arrest them?

That information is classified.

Have many weddings been blown up by terrorists?

No, they haven't, which is proof that the system works. The president does reserve the right to blow up gay terrorist weddings -- but only if he determines that the safety of the nation is at stake. The president is also keeping his eye on churches, many of which have become fonts of sedition. I do not believe that the president has any problem with commuter trains, although that could always change.

So this policy will be in place right up until the next election?

Election? Let's just say that we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It may not be wise to have an election in a time of national peril.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:39 AM
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22. I know... will not be too sorry to see Yoo
loose his license to practice law, and would not mind seeing him doing some time in the pokey either

Perhaps he can do some readying into Jefferson ...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:41 AM
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24. Did NPR get it this wrong or are you citing from memory?
:shrug:

I think someone corrects further down, but NOT from South Vietnam, but South Korea. His father is an MD.

Yes, he believes in the unitary executive--he is a Federalist Society Idealogue and a very very creepy one, at that.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:39 PM
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12. ... a slavish desire to please his master.
He figured that was his job.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 08:20 AM
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25. I think that your answer and response No. 14, below, combined pretty much capture it.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:04 PM
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13. Greed
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:09 AM
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23. I was gonna say Money & Power...
...but you summed it up nicely in one word.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:18 PM
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14. Being in the big boys club
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:42 PM
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16. arrogance.
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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:26 PM
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18. That guy who wrote the "on the couch" book about Bush needs to write one on Yoo
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:31 AM
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26. total first generation lack of understanding of American values
And I am not saying this to be racist or mean. First gen Asians always try to outdo the natives by being superminorities. Aim to please. The GOP used a dunce who was not ingrained in American thinking. Easy to manipulate. They would have gotten a white guy to do their dirty work if they could. Only a a culturally illiterate person or a conscienceless criminal of the cheney stripe would do/say what this guy did. I suppose he mistook GOP approval as proof he was acting the good American something he did not know enough about to be able to define.

And yes, I am an Asian saying this.
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