Why the fuck are three men talking about abortion on MSNBC?

[Hello_Kitty]

It's not that I don't think men are entitled to an opinion on abortion but this looks really bad and it's really pissing me off. Some guy from Slate Magazine just informed me that if I don't want to get pregnant I should use contraception. No shit Sherlock. He calls himself a "moderate". Now we have Ken Blackwell claiming that using birth control undermines the "human will".

Tweety says he "understands both sides". Wants to know "what we do with people who have sex with no intention of taking the baby to term".

Blackwell: "We are winning this debate because medical technology lets people see their babies."

Slate guy: "Abstinence only doesn't work." He's open to discussion about sex ed programs. Very generous of you. Stresses responsible precautions. Roger.

Blackwell: Crazy shit about da life of da baybees.

Argh. :banghead:


Oh jesus god, Blackwell says he's done "sidewalk counseling".

Tweety doesn't think abortion to be used as birth control.

[musette_sf]

1. BLACKWELL is on there?!@?!?!?!?!

Rod Parsley's BFF BLACKWELL is on there?

cripes, what is this, the 700 Club????

the only place Blackwell and other frequent guest DeLay should be is JAIL.

[Hello_Kitty]

3. He's batshit fugging crazy.

:crazy:

[tridim]

4. Tweety's show is unwatchable today

I think he's schizophrenic.

[CTyankee]

2. You beat me to this! If my 90+ mother were still alive she'd be screaming at the TV

right now. Bless her.

If these men don't stop, I think I'll have to throw up...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. Probably the same reason why Fox "News" had a panel of 4 white people explaining to us dumb asses

that Jesse Helms wasn't a racist.

[Ilsa]

6. Already talking about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5193483&mesg_id=5193483

[billyoc]

7. They couldn't find any women who don't understand that abortion rights are inherent.

[omega minimo]

30. or they couldn't find any women who don't believe they have inherent rights to their own bodies

:hi: and reproductive health and privacy.

[JerseygirlCT]

44. Oh they're out there

But frankly, I don't think they deserve airtime on this either.

This really isn't an issue with two legitimate sides. If you don't believe in abortion, it's simple: don't have one. Just as with the issue of same-sex marriage, you ought not to be allowed to impinge on someone else's basic rights because they offend your sensibilities. You control your own behavior, and that's the extent of it.

Now, working toward making abortions less needed? That is the place everyone get meet. But by giving equal weight to those who would strip women of a very, very basic right - as if that's in any way a legitimately held position? That's wrong.

[JerseygirlCT]

8. Notice the way Tweety frames that

The contraception part is entirely the woman's responsibility. Unless her partner is deciding not to carry that baby to term.

And then he continues with his proposition that all sorts of people (just say it, Tweety, women) are not bothering with contraception, and are just la dee dah using abortion as contraception. Back that up with hard numbers, bub, or STFU.

Very telling little panel there. Says it all about how much women and women's lives are considered in this debate.

[OKNancy]

11. What I notice is they all frame abortion as a young woman's thing

and it is done because of ignorance about birth control. Geez I know many women who were in the 30 to 45 year old age range when they had abortions.

[JerseygirlCT]

26. And shoddy or inefficient birth control

Or crappy living conditions. Or medical problems.

It's always as if it's a "hmmm, cereal for breakfast today or eggs? And, gee, maybe I'll have an abortion later" sort of decision.

Because women are just stupid and irresponsible, and are just dying to go through an abortion.

[Darth_Kitten]

45. Exactly.

Good post. :)

[Hello_Kitty]

33. Thank you!

It was three men dispassionately discussing abortion as if they were talking about the behavior of hamsters in a cage.

[JerseygirlCT]

43. Exactly that. nt

[Starry Messenger]

9. We need three women on Rachel Maddow to weigh in on vasectomies.

:D Any takers?

[Hello_Kitty]

16. Oh yes. I want to argue for the side of making men undergo mandatory counseling

:)

[Starry Messenger]

20. I will do the sidewalk counseling with placards.

"Every Sperm Is Sacred". Actually that would be kind of a funny counter-protest.

[Missy Vixen]

24. I'll join you

How about some nice picket signs with photos of the panelists reading the opposite of "MILF", huh?

Why do women continue sleeping with men whose views on birth control and choice are so idiotic?

[Starry Messenger]

28. They are Republican women...

which also doesn't make a lick of sense to me either. :crazy:

[petronius]

25. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY TESTICLES!!11!

:o

(Wait, let me rethink that...)

[Starry Messenger]

29. "If God had wanted your Vas Deferens to be snipped...

you would have been born with scissors!11!" :)

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. Bwaha!

:rofl:

[peacetalksforall]

10. Ken Blackwell is talking about abortion, sex, and abstinence?

The obsession some men have with abortion is incredible - unless we remember that it's the fastest way to reach the heart of obsessed male abortion haters - and keep their vote ... makes them feel like Republicans only - pay attention to abortion.

If anyone knows of a professional succinct analysis of the abortion obsession, please let me have a link or a paragraph or two. I need to understand some people I know better.

[Hello_Kitty]

39. Here's an interesting blog post about issues liberal men have with abortion

It's not scientific or academic, but I thought the initial post and some of the responses were kinda interesting.

As for conservative men, I hate to be simplistic but I really think it stems from patriarchy and authoritarianism. They've been raised to believe that pregnancy is the result of their potent and magic sperm. How dare the bitch reject it??!? Sorry, not real professional but that's what I think.

[peacetalksforall]

46. If you're reading - can you add the link? Thanks.

[Hello_Kitty]

48. Oh god, sorry!

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/feminist_dudes_explain_this_to_me/

There's great stuff in general on that blog.

[D-Lee]

51. A fear that the anti-abortionist would have been aborted

had his mother been given the chance seems to lurk in the back of male anti-abortionist's eyes ...

That's my theory!

They do look a bit nuts, really.

Just look carefully ...

[anonymous171]

12. Why are they even talking about it? Aren't there more imporant things to discuss?

[Skidmore]

13. Wanna make a bet all three were Catholic?

[specimenfred1984]

14. TV sells "tension" like a poorly written sitcom, it's all TV has remaining

The propaganda whores sold out completely during the war crimes years of Chimpleton, they have no credibility left so they try to sell their little dramas in hopes that the viewers will try to soothe their tensions by buying the advertisers goods. The entire mode of media is worthless and corrupt except for the weather, which was also ignored by the war criminals during Katrina.

[KamaAina]

15. "Sidewalk counseling" my Aunt Fanny.

In my clinic defense days, I snidely suggested that drug dealers rebrand themselves as "sidewalk pharmacists". :P

[KamaAina]

17. You can watch it if you like

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#29536546

but be sure your monitor is ruggedized against bricks, bottles, etc. before you do. :argh:

[tonysam]

18. Thank you for that link.

I need to get my blood pressure up.

William Saletan is one of the leading "experts" on something he will never have to face.

[tonysam]

19. A Group of Male Talking Heads

pontificating about abortion is like having a group of women talking about what it is like to have prostate cancer.

[peacetalksforall]

47. I despise the concept of listening to a thief of votes talk about abortion against a

background that could be Palm Beach or Fisher Island when he is from Ohio.

He is a master criminal in my book. He should shut up for who he is - a thief of Constitutional rights - a collaborator.

[KamaAina]

49. It probably is Palm Beach

after all, that's where RNC headquarters Rush's house is.

[monmouth]

21. I think a panel of women should discuss vasectomies, especially

Catholic women......

[marew]

52. Love it!

[slackmaster]

22. I don't know, but perhaps you can answer one for me...

Why are you watching them?

[Missy Vixen]

23. My favorite part was "90% of abortions are performed due to carelessness"

I would like to ask all three of those assholes if they've ever had unprotected sex. Were they married at the time of the unprotected sex? If not, what happened? I'd also like to ask them when it was they found themselves carrying an unintentional pregnancy. :mad:

"Sidewalk counseling", huh? I could say something really crass and crude here, but I will restrain myself. Suffice it to say that I'll bet there isn't one of the three of them that could tell me they've never had unprotected sex, but they'll tell all women what they can do with their bodies?

[BleedingHeartRN]

27. I turned that shit off

Seriously - with all the other major, complex problems we have to deal with, they're getting down and rolling around in the mud about abortion. That was something to fight about when the economy was good.

Blackwell is delusional. Maybe he can get some helpful medication under a single-payer health plan ;-D

[tnlefty]

31. Well, if men really wanted to prevent pregnancy...

they have 2 hands. When I read about this type of crap, or confront it in person, this is my response: 'if you don't even want to entertain the idea that a woman might have an abortion, you have 2 hands, and have sex with yourself only.' Followed by, 'if you do have sex with a woman and it results in a pregnancy that she doesn't want, but the government insists on it, then the government will have the right to neuter you, right?'

I'm amazed that the spokespeople for the concerned women for America, and other anti-choice groups are men. Can the women who belong to these groups not speak for themselves??? Why do they have males speaking for them?????

And why in the hell did Tweety do a show like this with only men?!!!!

[immoderate]

53. Not to excuse Tweety, but here's his rationale...

He found this guy who wrote an article expressing a moderate view. You know, sex education, make birth control available, to limit the need for abortions, yada, yada. So then he brings Blackwell on, right wing idiot, so they can find "common ground" ignoring the fact that fundies don't want to find common ground; they want to ban sex. Tweety thinks he can facilitate some middle of the road view that will placate the fundies and reduce the need for abortions. This was stupid.

Again, I don't excuse Tweety because he neglected to bring in a woman who could tell them all, "It's none of your goddam business if I want to get an abortion."

--imm

[bdamomma]

32. I noticed that too, all men to talk about abortion why no women to

give their opinion.

[omega minimo]

36. NPR "Talk of the Nation" did this recently, three men discussing abortion, including woman killer

head of of the anti-abortion doctor/patient killer terrorists of the 80's.

Reprehensible. Irresponsbile.
:thumbsdown:

[Renwiick]

34. Because they can and because your listening.

[Hello_Kitty]

35. Because they did and I listened

WTF does that have to do with the fact that men STILL dominate the dialogue on women's reproductive rights?

[Renwiick]

37. Women rule.....Women provide men with the illusion that they dominate.

[Hello_Kitty]

41. Oh how cute. An MRA.

:eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

38. Recommended

[deaniac21]

40. They don't have the right!

[bertman]

42. Because the Corporate Media WANTS them to be there and PAYS them to be there.

[pleah]

54. Tweety is like a yoyo.

Just when you think he has gained some sanity back, he does some crazy shit like this. I only watch his show, at most, twice a week. Some times that is to much.

[alfredo]

55. The fourth one couldn't make it.