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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:36 AM
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Archbishop in Brazil will excommunicate all those who helped 9 year old rape victim get an abortion.
Notice he doesn't say a WORD about the rapist?

Hmm...maybe the Archbishop likes little boys? :grr:

Rape row sparks excommunications

By Gary Duffy

A Brazilian archbishop says all those who helped a child rape victim secure an abortion are to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

The girl, aged nine, who lives in the north-eastern state of Pernambuco, became pregnant with twins.

It is alleged that she had been sexually assaulted over a number of years by her stepfather.

The excommunication applies to the child's mother and the doctors involved in the procedure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7926694.stm
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:39 AM
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1. Can I get in on that?
I mean, I wasn't involved, but if I had been there, you bet I'd have done everything I could have for that little girl, and that would have involved setting up that procedure for her.

Can I be someone's proxy?

Fuckers. Filthy, judgmental, deranged fuckers, the goddamned Catholic Church.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:42 AM
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6. I wish the membership would tell that arch-evil bishop to go screw himself.
If they would answer back and point out the error of his ways, then maybe I'd give a darn about their religious organization.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:39 AM
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2. Why doesn't he stick to his job - covering up for all the pedophile priests in his archdiocese
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:39 AM
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3. Well, fuck that archbishop. He'd rather see a 9 year old rape victim die from a pregnancy
of twins than for her to have a therapeutic abortion because her life depends on it. She's NINE years old. She doesn't have a big enough uterus My nine year old son weighs 68 pounds. They are more worried about increasing their membership by two than saving the young girl's life. Shame on them.
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LadyoftheRabbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:40 AM
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4. Oh, my god
Seriously? The Church is really careening backwards with shit like this. x(
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:42 AM
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7. I read about it in the local paper yesterday. The members need to
speak up about this crap.
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LadyoftheRabbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:44 AM
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8. They do
I don't think the Church is all bad, but instances like this and the priest sex abuses really need addressed.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:41 AM
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5. The stepfather, however, remains in the good graces of the Church.
Obviously, the Church has lost its way.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:48 AM
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13.  The stepfather, if guilty, has committed numerous mortal sins,
in the eyes of the Church. He's not in good standing and can't receive Communion, unless he makes a Confession and receives Absolution.

As I understand it, that's all the mother would have to do to be received back into the Church, even after an ex-communication.

Just to be clear, though, I am disgusted with the Church for its punitive stance against the mother and doctors who were trying to help this girl. I strongly agree that all the fault here is with whoever raped the girl.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:17 AM
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27. As a practicing ex-Catholic, I agree with your points.
It seems that the focus of the Archbishop's public ire is on the side of the victim. Seems like the Catholic Church is now run by Republican evangelical conservatives. Good luck with growing their congregation.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:44 AM
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9. This is why I hate the Catholic Church.
This is just disgusting.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:45 AM
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10. i'm proud to be an ex-catholic
sick sons of bitches
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:54 AM
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14. I'm told there are no "ex-Catholics,"
only Catholics who got smart. I was raised Catholic, and got a marvelous Jesuit education, but the Church lost me long before I left for college., and they never got me back. Never will.

I was teaching at a Catholic university's law school when my first novel came out. The publicity people at the publisher's sent a complimentary copy to the Alumni people at the university (I graduated from the same law school where I was teaching). The book itself was a wonderfully cathartic anti-organized-religion screed, including a really outstanding (if I do say so myself) scene between a lawyer and an archbishop. It's also a right-to-die story.

So, of course, I was called in and told that my teaching contract was not going to be renewed. They didn't fool around, I'll give them that - they told me I was essentially being fired for what I wrote.

But, I still had to attend the law school graduation. I was seated on the stage with the other teachers, all in our academic garb. Of all people, Antonin Scalia was the speaker. Lots of pictures were being taken.

I had bubblegum.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:59 AM
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19. Interesting story. Are you teaching elsewhere or writing full time? nt
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:42 AM
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20. I write
My law license now bears the notation "Inactive," but that could be changed in a moment. I write, and that's all I want to do right now.

At least I don't have to be in the presence of Scalia .........................
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:51 AM
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21. PM me with some of your novel titles? Inquiring minds want to know...
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:51 AM by Hekate
:hi:

Hekate


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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:08 AM
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32. Thank you for your interest
That's very flattering, but I cherish my anonymity here, as I'm sure you'll understand.

:hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:20 PM
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33. Oh, I do, believe me.
:-)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:24 AM
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28. 8 years of Jesuit education here.
Back when there were actual Jesuits/scholastics teaching and the focus was on social justice/liberation theology. My education was very enlightening and probably why I'm no longer religious. There is a qualitative difference between being religiously devout and morally good.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:45 AM
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11. Whatever happened to the heroic Catholic priests who cared about justice and mercy?
Latin America was the birthplace of "liberation theology." Guess the Vatican put an end to that.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:56 AM
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15. I think the Jesuits
have been hammered into political silence. Remember when Father Drinan had to resign his Congressional seat?

Daniel Berrigan is old and sick. And the Church has gotten so hideously conservative since the seventies.

It's a damn shame. My first work as a young lawyer was for the New Catholic Left. Talk about a learning experience!
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:24 AM
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17. I'm no Catholic, but I'm amazed at how effectively Rome has changed
the conversation in a few short years. Can people like Father Berrigan even become priests these days?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:34 AM
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18. I remember the hope and magic of John XXIII,
how the Church began to change, to open up, to enter the twentieth century, so quickly. I was just a kid, but I knew everything was going to be better.

Then he died.

After that, it became a slow descent that grew faster when John Paul took over.

I don't think men like the Berrigan brothers would want to become priests today.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:52 AM
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23. Rome never cared much for liberation theology. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:51 AM
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22. Reagan had them assassinated with our tax money. n/t
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:05 AM
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24. re: Reagan's birthday. Democrat Gov. John Baldacci, ME, proclaims Reagan Day...
annually! Yeah, he's a Catholic too!
It's tragic but he's one of the dumbest governors Maine
has ever had.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:45 PM
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34. A college pal of mine,
Lynn Kippax, Jr., aka "Kip," is Baldacci's spokesman or he was last time we looked.

Kip doesn't have anything to do with any of us any more. We were all pretty surprised when he took that job, but, after living a lot of his grown-up life in Kennebunkport, he ended up donating his "papers" to the G. H. W. Bush library, and we all knew Kip had sold out big time. Baldacci is, at least, a Democrat.

Kind of too bad, because we did a lot of illegal drugs together, and I'm sure Kippax would love to be reminded of those good old times back in the sixties........................

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:47 AM
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12. I have news for him under the cannons of the church they are already excommunicated

Usually lifted during confession.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:08 AM
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16. Hitler was never excommunicated, and neither was any other Catholic top Nazi...
except for Goebbels, who did something really, really bad... he married a Protestant.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:09 AM
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25. How disgusting. There are really no words.
and is the rapist stepfather also being excommunicated?

The poor mother, imagine having to deal with such horrors to her child, and then the church treats her as an outcast for helping her child.

I hope there is mass secession from the church.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:41 AM
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26. Lovely sense of priorities that archbishop's got.
Asshole.
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rolltideroll Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:30 AM
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29. Let me rewrite the headline
Shaman threatens to curse those who aided 9 year old rape victim
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:51 AM
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31. lol, excellent
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:51 AM
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30. Someone should let this dumbass in on a little secret..
fairies aren't real and it doesn't matter who he chooses to "excommunicate"
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