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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:21 PM Original message |
Here we are in year 2009. Women, do you feel equal to men or not? |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. You are right .. things are less overt, but there is still a great |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. I agree with your post. In some places, women are treated properly, but in others |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Expectations are very different. nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. I don't have much experience with corporate America |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Easier tasks? LOL right. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
140. Yes, I work in jobs with heavy lifting |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Mike03, this is an important subject, but in a word, NO |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
46. I don't believe that the first one is widespread |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. And you would be quite wrong. |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. WOW! Thanks for posting that! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. statistics don't mean squat |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. True... |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Actually, individual anecdotes don't mean squat |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I was talking about college degrees, not male privilege |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
144. Thank you. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. nice blivet, but it would help if they did not compare averages |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. If you actually did your homework, you would realize |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. I have done my homework and found those studies to be pretty lame |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. ... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
128. I am really not doing that bad since 2003 or so |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
138. The issue is equality of opportunity... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. augh. That is not what he was saying |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #139 |
149. Male denial.... As long as it makes you feel better. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. I tend to agree. Most jobs I've had had set rates for men & women too. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. medians tend to not be skewed |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. I understand the difference between medians & means. I understand |
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sweetpotato (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #46 |
77. Really? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. I'd like to see those studies |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
152. Doh! " l if you have a higher percentage of males becoming Deans or department heads " |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
135. i work in accounting...i see the payroll |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
64. I've seen that, too |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
142. What hlthe2b said, exactly. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. One thing I've noticed since hitting middle age |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Our society values only youth and the superficial... |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Doesn't help that all the eye candy in mags just go get nipped and tucked. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. And women who don't wear shrink wrap are seen as uptight or lesbians. nt |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I have a life. It doesn't include money or nip and tuck. Take your manhate elsewhere. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I don't hate men... but what is it about people, men and women, who are |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Okay, that I agree with. |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
153. Why explain, didn't see any "manhate" in your post...... |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
66. What's wrong with a post-baby belly, anyway? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Well, you're less valuable as a breeder, so hit the road! nt |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Yup, since everyone knows |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
73. LOL |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
65. I feel the same way |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
143. You and me both: Not eye-candy? Drop dead. n/t |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
151. Boy do I relate to that. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. I Feel Equal, If Not Equivalent. I Don't Feel Treated Equally |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Kinda vague |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
85. Do You Really Have To Ask? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. So you are Hillary? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. I Don't See Me Telling You My Story |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
132. Perhaps it does. |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
74. You hit the nail on the head |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. I remember when the Equal Rights Admendment failed. No, I don't feel legally equal. nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Why not, though? What would ERA give you that you now lack? |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. the ERA would ensure that women over 40 reach senior positions in companies |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
101. How is equal pay gonna be a non issue? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #101 |
170. Not everyone "wastes" their time on children, you know, the "future of America." nt |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. My main complaint is time. It never occurred to me that I wouldn't go to college |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. We also make no real provision for parents to step into and out of |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Well, I think it is more like this.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. i feel NO guilt. i know my worth, i value what i have given and accomplished |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. i am glad you don't feel that way. i try not to, but it's hard for me for some reason. |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #59 |
81. I like your style! |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. We see the rewards |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #57 |
79. Feeling guilty is a choice....and what's wrong with fathers helping to raise their own children, too |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Absolutely NOTHING! |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #82 |
112. I'm tired of women taking it all on themselves....... |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
146. I'm a SAHM too... |
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Holly_Hobby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm still waiting for the Equal Rights Amendment n/t |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. I *AM* equal to men. But I am not treated as such. |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Equality |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. No. Women aren't permitted to guide the national conversation. On Sunday mornings. On gameshows, on |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
147. Exactly. We're supposed to just STFU, cook and breed - and be eye-candy. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. No. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. Look at the numbers: |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. It is amazing how far we have come in many fields - we're not there |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. People - men and women - still associate female authority and leadership with teachers and mothers.. |
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Progressive_In_NC (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
80. where I used to work, she doesn't have to better than a man, just better looking |
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Lady Effingbroke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. No. I was just laid off because my former supervisor is a racist, sexist piece of shit. |
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Staph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. I thought I was equal, but I was wrong. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Women get hit with a lot of heightism. If you aren't tall, you can't be taken seriously. nt |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
83. I'm a 6'1" tall woman |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
123. Taller people earn more. And they win the presidency except for GWB's case. nt |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
145. Really? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #145 |
157. You probably break even! nt |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. No. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. 25% of women and 40% of men finish phds. Hang in there. |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I'm hanging in there the best I can. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I'm in Russian politics. The politics of economic reform. |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Sounds familiar. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I was a poor, grubby, military kid who went to a shitty undergraduate university... |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'm intimately familiar with U of T. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. After all those years in Norfolk, living in Tee Oh was great. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. My daughter volunteered for her college's hiring committee |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Oh, hell. I'm willing to bet that it's not just women of color they're having trouble hiring |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. I feel equal to men - fighting for it all the way. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
34. No. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. I AM SUPERIOR TO MEN |
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redwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
68. And anyone who says different is in for an ass kicking! |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
70. Preach it, Sistah! |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Big deal. My wife is a woman, so I've known that for years. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. you know what? i don't think anyone is "free," & the difference between |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. LOL |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. hey, "girl." |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. no need to take offense, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Look into the family connections of the forerunners of the women's movement |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. I'm dimly aware |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I'm not going to argue the case with you. I've done a lot of detailed research |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I'm not arguing the case |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I already explained where I got the idea, by studying history. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #113 |
125. Whether it's an illusion or not |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. Begging the question of whether it's an illusion. Also begging the question of |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #134 |
150. well I see why they snark |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Not beneath me at all, but I'm old enough to know from my own experience |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #154 |
177. we know the grandmothers were strong |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
42. Until the day the word 'slut' ceases to be an insult women will not be equal to men in the eyes... |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
84. Thank you for that |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
43. Sometimes it feels like |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I used to do the dishes for a friend I had dinner with |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
156. amen- that was my situation too |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
159. Men don't feel compelled to 'bring something' to all social events. Six pack. Women are expected.. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
51. listen to the vile, crude, disrespectful way males speak about females today. no, they do not see |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
124. Women need to make a better claim to our language and speech patterns. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
53. There won't be true equality until women must also register for the Selective Service |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
160. I completely agree with this. Especially as they are now the majority in medical school and.. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
54. I think things are FAR better then they were- but we still have a ways to go |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. A Wise Reply, Marrah |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
58. Scene from a current TV show: |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
60. Maybe about 98% |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
61. No, we are far from equal |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
63. I can still see differences in treatment: watch a male doctor speak |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
71. Not when all these bailouts go to men.......... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
76. Not treated equally ... No way. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #76 |
182. You're considered a temporary hobbyiest in fields where men are taken seriously. nt |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
78. The words to the Helen Reddy song are nice - |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. "but they do that to themselves" |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. I meant, most men beat other men at bars. It doesn't happen often that women start wailing on men |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
119. Men can be even more terrible to other men...... |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
91. One thing I've been noticing... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
121. Why? Men's jobs will still pay more..... |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
129. Well, that's why I said give it a few decades |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
122. Nursing and teaching degrees account for a huge percentage of women's degrees compared to men. nt |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:37 PM Original message |
And those are fairly good degrees to have in this economy! nt |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. And those are fairly good degrees to have in this economy! nt |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
95. Not only no, but HELL NO. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
116. The height aspect is even worse than the female aspect in terms of |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
137. About TV shows ... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #137 |
161. We had a thread that was devoted to over 75% of Disney's characters being male. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
158. My beau and I noticed the absence of women in speaking roles in ALL the previews at a movie |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #158 |
164. Actually no. It's a prob. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. I don't get the 'sick' comment either. Weird. nt |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
98. My wife says no. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
106. "Equal"?. . . piffle. . |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
114. No I think society has a problem with strong women |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. I've responded to that by embracing the word "bitch." |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. True, words only have the power the listener gives them |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #126 |
162. They're also becoming more acceptable in public discourse whereas epithets for men and minorities... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
115. i AM, and always have been, the equal of men... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
117. Do I feel equal? Yes, of course. Am I treated equally? Definitely not. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #117 |
131. Isn't that the truth! Sometimes it seems like those decent few only |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
127. Do I feel that I'm a man's equal? Yes. Do I think that our society agrees with |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
133. I know I'm equal to men, but at times I'm still treated as being less than them. n/t |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
136. no, in a word |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #136 |
163. Because you won't. You'll pay more for a car and its repair. And higher rent for the same apt. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #163 |
167. actually my problem is more that |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
141. Until we at least get equal pay for equal work |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
148. Not until women's biology is accommodated. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
155. The backlash has been enormous. |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
166. I think so, but I still have a little southern belle left in my DNA |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #166 |
179. EVERYBODY should hold the door for the person after them. nt |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
168. Not only equal, but, honestly, advantaged. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Thank you. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Do males have to be very careful where they go, especially at night, because of fear of being raped? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. I hear you. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #173 |
184. The safety issue is a valid one... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #184 |
186. A "greater" range of career choices? I couldn't play major league baseball or be a submariner. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. I have absolutely no doubt... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. Submarines have a good reason though. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. On a submarine you pee by yourself and shower by yourself. nt |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. I know. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. They're talking about putting women on the missile boats. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
169. "Equal" is impossible in a Patriarchal society. eom |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
172. Nope |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
174. To answer your question, no. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
176. Do I feel equal? Hell, I KNOW I'm equal. I sit here watching the |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Women in leadership positions are not natural nurturers and menders. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #178 |
180. Bullshit. Now prove it. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Ghandi, Thatcher, QEI, ...Eleanor Roosevelt would have nuked Japan too. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Eleanor would have nuked Japan? She told you that? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #183 |
185. QEI, not II. Truman consulted ER in June of '45. She always supported the decision and |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Oh fuck, QEI fought a purely defensive war (and won) against the |
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