You know, I think we should take the GOP up on that whole no class warfare thing.

[originalpckelly]

As I see it, it looks to me like there's been a multi-century class war going on in this world, and it doesn't seem like we're the ones who started it.

Maybe we should put it to an end, once and for all? I think stealing from the poor/middle class is an awful class war, and it should have stopped a long time ago.

Anyone else?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

1. Sure and maybe we could stop demonizing the rich while we are at it.

[originalpckelly]

3. We all know richophobia is such a horrible problem...

it has caused the rich of our nation quite a lot of hardship for so many years! Poor education, no health care, drab meaningless lives, no help in a major disaster, starvation and so many of the other associated problems there are for rich people in this world because of richophobia.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. My heart is breaking over the suffering of the rich :( nt

[originalpckelly]

8. I think we should start a telethon for them.

"Look at this poor little rich boy, his daddy is only a centi-millionaire. All the kids at his prep school make fun of him, because their daddies are all billionaires. Ladies and gentlemen don't you want to help out Ascott A. Prickwad? Just look at that precious upturned nose, he only has A SINGLE silver spoon! THE INHUMANITY!"

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. CAN WE? I'll stay up as long as I have to! My eyes are already red from crying! nt

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[originalpckelly]

18. I do it for the rich kids.

It's all for them.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. You are COMPASSIONATE! Thank you! nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. That's some funny shit.

[originalpckelly]

13. No it's not.

And that's the point, anger is not the right area to draw from to oppose these people, we must draw from our logical areas, and prove to ourselves just how badly each of us at the bottom is getting fucked. (Of course, you may not be worried about that.)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Seemed pretty funny to me.

[readmoreoften]

61. And don't forget! Those on welfare are planning to rise up and kill the "rich" plumbers

who make $100,000 a year and the "rich" doctors who make $200K. Working class means underclass. Rich means anyone who is capable of affording a house. We're talking about the destruction of all "productive" people here! :sarcasm:

We couldn't possible be more interested in taking down Halliburton, Madoff, Wall Street, Union Busters, Hedge Funds. All those PRODUCTIVE members of society! :crazy:

[devilgrrl]

4. Sure, I'll stop demonizing them once they start behaving in a manner that doesn't warrant it

eom

[originalpckelly]

5. SHUT UP RICHOPHOBE!

Only ignorant people are richophobes these days!

Richophobe go away, don't come another day!

[readmoreoften]

64. Go to bed and bump your head!

And pick our coffee beans in the morning. (And no, you don't get any aspirin, richophobic jerk.)

[scarletwoman]

7. Nope. I fully intend to demonize those who exploit others for their own gain.

Those who get rich by sucking out the value of what others have labored to create deserve all the demonization they can get. They are parasites.

sw

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. Of course they do, that wouldn't be everyone who is rich though would it?

[originalpckelly]

15. No, and that's not what I said in my OP.

I think individuals who are genuinely productive and have managed to save aside money, or work in really high productivity areas like intellectual property based professions are rich through beneficial reasons are OK for us. Most people like music, books, magazines, TV, radio, and the countless other areas of intellectual property that can provide wealth, as they cater to so many people.

On the other hand, people who set up systems of taxing other people's labor, in return providing nothing but economic insecurity and bad decisions are not deserved of respect. They are parasites.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

16. I think there are a lot of people who work harder than musicians and actors.

[originalpckelly]

19. Yes, very true, but there's only so many people who can come into contact...

with a clean street. On the other hand, one musician or thinker can make music that millions of people will love, fuck to, and get fucked because they own it. Street sweepers can't get you laid, now can they? "OMG! This street is so clean, let's do it!"

Actors make good movies to fuck to as well, and you can always buy it to actually watch when someone special isn't around.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. I've never needed music or a movie to screw. To each their own though.

[originalpckelly]

28. True, but it does make the note that comes from the landlord less embarrassing.

I'm just saying, it affects more people's lives positively. Not to say that being a street sweeper isn't a valuable function, but one can only sweep so many streets within a lifetime. Intellectual goods have the possibility to go far beyond what physical work does as it concerns pleasing people, and that's why they're more expensive per person that the rest of goods.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. My brother got rich via intellectual property and very few people draw pleasure from it.

[originalpckelly]

32. Was it useful to society? Did it make life better in some way?

What type of intellectual property?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. Computer programming. Obviously it was useful he got rich.

I don't understand it some sort of security software.

David

[originalpckelly]

Well, that's valuable to society, isn't it?

I like waking up to a computer without a computer virus on it, or having my bank card # stolen. That's useful and makes life better. He deserved to get rich, as he helped people. It's called profit motive, and when it comes to such hit or miss professions like the various IP professions, the chance of hitting the big time can pull people through times of immense hardship. They don't call them starving artists for nothing.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

41. But there's no screwing involved. jk.

[originalpckelly]

43. Actually, yes there is. After all, if your computer was vulnerable to viruses...

and you woke up to a fucked up computer, that might piss you off. That could piss off someone so much that they'd be out of the mood.

On the other hand, a bank card being stolen could take money was going to be used on a prostitute, of either the money accepting kind or the food/flashy shit purchase kind*.

I'm flaming homo, so I'm talking about the cheap twinks I know who are easily distracted by shiny crap in store windows.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

46. I was just sticking with the common theme.

[originalpckelly]

47. Oh, OK.

So does he own a company (specifically a corporation or partnership with non-partner employees) or the rights to the IP with the partner 50%?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

50. Yes he owns the company with a partner.

[scarletwoman]

21. You're not getting it. If a musician or an artist gets rich, it's because other people consider what

that artist or musician is expressing as valuable to their own lives. Working hard has nothing to do with it. Creating something that's an honest reflection of the human condition that people can relate to is what it's about.

Someone getting rich from dealing in credit default swaps isn't doing a damn thing for anyone but himself.

sw

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. I get it. You like the George Foreman grill.

[scarletwoman]

36. WTF does a George Foreman Grill have to do with artists and musicians?

I've never seen or used a GFG, btw. But if they're manufactured overseas using cheap labor, then fuck them.

sw

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

39. Wait I thought we were talking about ideas that made peoples lives more enjoyable.

[originalpckelly]

25. Exactly, and how many credit default swaps did you make out to?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

27. I have a friend that got rich as a mortgage broker, it's the same thing.

[originalpckelly]

29. It's sort of like making accordions for a living, only so many people enjoy it.

Even if it is hard to do. :-( Sorry, but it's reality.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

33. You almost sound like a freeper there.

[originalpckelly]

34. And the person who says I shouldn't demonize the rich sounds like what?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

37. I think we should judge people individually, if at all, and not lump all rich people into one group.

[originalpckelly]

38. I'm sorry I wasn't more specific.

What's funny is that people who produce IP are greatly exploited by the people in the corporate oligarchy running America.

Did your brother sell his rights away or does he own a company that produces the software?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. No he's smart and rich, he and his partner own it 50% a piece.

[originalpckelly]

42. Vague answer is vague.

What do you mean? Does he own a company or rights to the invention/etc.?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

44. He owns the company with a working partner they each own 50%, sorry.

The company has multiple patents on the technology.

David

[originalpckelly]

48. What kind of legal structure is it?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

51. Corporation I think. I don't know what type of corp though.

[originalpckelly]

52. Do they have employees under them?

Or is it just a business to hold the rights?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

54. They have employees about 12 I think.

[originalpckelly]

55. Small business, very little planning involved.

It's exponentially less harmful than a giant corporation, but almost all giant corporations started with small ones. With 12 employees, they probably don't produce anything but software, so they probably source all their supplies externally, which is a free market operation. There is probably still planning going on as it concerns labor, instead of it self-regulating, but with so few employees, it's not part of the problem.

The problem with a corporation that's very large is that it is highly planned, and the larger it gets, the more planning is involved, supply chain wise. As if corporate governance is played like a game theory game, at each point in the game, there is a strong profit motive to integrate each level of the supply chain into the corporation and to eliminate competition.

[TBF]

60. Well, ok, that'll work. We shall have trials. PCKelly will be the judge,

while scarlet woman and I sit on the jury. You can be the rich folks' defense lawyer. We'll start with Morgan Stanley partners since I particularly hate them right now for robbing everyone's 401Ks.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

62. Why don't we just take everyone with over a million dollars and go lynch them?

[TBF]

67. I would never do that. I don't believe in violence. After we confiscate

their ill-gotten gains there are plenty of jobs we could sentence them to do, things that would be useful to society. Sweeping the streets, washing buildings, helping to re-build areas like Detroit which have fallen into disarray... plenty for them to do.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. Only the rich that got their money through ill gotten gains though right?

[TBF]

78. Yeah, I was being a little facetious. As long as their IP isn't being used to subjugate other

people I probably wouldn't have a problem with them. Many wealthy individuals are thankful for what they have and are willing to pay their taxes (and they favor a civilized society that they know those taxes contribute to). None of this is black & white. Bill Gates, for example, I don't think of as being a particularly useful person (although he's a marketing whiz), but he is giving massive amounts of money away and I like that. He's relatively young, realizes he has more than he can ever spend, and is spending it on things like vaccines in third world countries. If everyone were like that we wouldn't be having these conversations.

[originalpckelly]

75. One problem, is that everyone with a million bucks may not have stolen it, some may have earned it.

As I before said, the intellectual property professions are very capable of producing millions and millions of dollars in justifiable licensing fees. It's a good thing too, because having the only way to get rich in an IP profession will cause more people to want to do it, and we'll almost certainly have a gigantic step forward in research/music/etc.

IP professionals are the biggest victims of corporations, if they don't start one themselves.

[treestar]

71. No, let's just tax them to pay off the deficit

They used this country and made money in it, why should they object? Aren't they patriotic enough to save the country that gave them the chance to grab so much more than they need?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

74. Look you even have a picture of one of them.

[anonymous171]

49. Correct. Producing and selling a product is one thing,

simply selling and reselling products created by someone else is another thing entirely. Wall Street parasites have harmed our economy and our workers for too long.

[readmoreoften]

63. Other than a few token celebrities and rich kids who have one idea then fund

working class computer science Ph.D.s who improve them...

It is pretty much all of them. And I don't mean well-compensated labor, restauranteurs (though most of them use slave labor).

The clothing industry uses child sweatshop labor.
The computer industry uses child labor.
Most coffee is picked on stolen land by impoverished laborers.
Tin and silver are mined by Bolivian men and women who have to eat coca leaves because they're so damn poor and hungry (well, it was that way before those evil MAS socialists took over...)

People who knowingly get rich investing in these practices are assholes. People who don't know what they're investing in but capable of getting rich are probably full of shit.

[Odin2005]

70. A-fucking-MEN!!!

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[originalpckelly]

31. We don't take kindly to them there advertissments.

[anonymous171]

45. lol no. nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

81. See post #79.

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Yeah, poor them! Are you serious?

:spray: :rofl:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

79. So you think it's a good idea to judge someone entirely based on one fact?

So that would be you rich=evil person, Hitler Jew=evil person, KKK black=evil person. I typically try and not cast myself with that lot of people, but to each their own.

David

[Odin2005]

69. No, the problem is that to many people idolize the parasites instead of hating them.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

80. See post #79.

[billyoc]

2. I'm prepared to accept their unconditional surrender.

[TBF]

10. I'm with you. When Dick Cheney is busy cleaning my bathrooms I'll

consider treating them like humans. And you know that's more than they'd do for us.

[billyoc]

56. Plus I'd make sure Cheney had health care and a pension.

[bridgit]

9. The GOP has already lost that one...they have 'no class'

:kick:

[pam4water]

23. No we lost. Were giving them all our money in the bail out!

[bridgit]

53. Disagreed, they just haven't suffered enough public shame for their shameless actions...

And that includes Lieberman who was seen stepping out of a train car with Brownback the day the both of them smoking & joking about having got their earmarks but it takes more than Claire McCaskill to keep the ball rolling

[FreakinDJ]

57. Fuck that - TAX the Rich - Shoot em if you have to

[originalpckelly]

58. Being rich should not be a capital offense.

:P

That's a good one!

[FreakinDJ]

59. I don't know - have you checked your 401K lately

looks like they got it all

Some RATpubliCON spin meister was on CNN Money and said everyone he knows in Texas has converted every thing into cash and gold

[readmoreoften]

66. Whatever you do--don't eat them!

You'd think they're plump and juicy, but they're not--they're gamey from personal trainers and all that racquetball. My girlfriend says they're only fit to be fed to dogs.

But seriously, what to do with them is a problem. Most need re-education. I suggest it be done really pleasantly. Sunny classrooms, donuts and coffee, fun books and movies on working class history. But if they form a counterinsurgence, then you gotta do something. You just gotta.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

73. Thank you for reinforcing my point.

[cliffordu]

65. Question:

Is rich the new black????

[killbotfactory]

76. It's only class war if we fight back

So far it's been a class slaughter.

[originalpckelly]

77. I've got to steal that one!

Hope others see it.