National Security Advisor James Jones- "I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger"

[Orwellian_Ghost]

February 08, 2009
Jones's Remarks to the Munich Security Conference
By James Jones

Hotel Bayerischer Hof
Munich, Germany

Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/jones_munich_conference.html

[seemslikeadream]

1. so nice have to see it twice

[Winterblues]

2. I would hope that President Obama is in that "chain of command" somewhere.

How can Obama allow such an ignorant statement from one of his people?

[TahitiNut]

3. "Take my daily orders" or "inherit my standing orders"?

Reading the whole article, it seems to be a translation error.

[pleah]

4. Obama might want to consider getting rid of this one. n/t

[Orwellian_Ghost]

6. Jones is quite connected

- was a member of the Board of directors of Chevron Corporation

- was a member of the Board of directors of The Boeing Company

- was a member of the Atlantic Council* of the United States

*directors - Henry A. Kissinger, George J. Tenet, George P. Shultz, R. James Woolsey, Dov S. Zakheim, James A. Baker, III

- is a member of the Project on National Security Reform*

*directors - Newt Gingrich, Robert Blackwill, General Brent Scowcroft, Dennis Blair

- was asked twice by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to be Deputy Secretary of State

- worked for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as a special envoy for Middle East security.

Jones is also a friend and was an adviser to McCain.

[flyarm]

10. And to think people at DU mock those of us who say..

the new boss is the same as the old boss..
There is a very valid reason Jones is working with this administration..people need to do the dang research!!

[pleah]

11. Thanks. This is one of the main reasons I am against bi-partisanship.

:hi:

[dixiegrrrrl]

99. Good research...thank you !

Smoke and mirrors, nothing really changes.


btw...James Baker III is often "invisible" but shows up all over the Bushie/Repub/CFR/ Corpocracy
connect- the -dots political/business landscape. Goes wayyyyyyyy back in Texas, esp.

[flyarm]

5. More on Kissinger and the Obama administration.........

I keep asking this question..and get no answers here..so i will post this so you all understand who is really running things .........

Why did Obama send Kissinger to Russia a few weeks ago , representing his administration and the USA..
lets see shall we??????

****Remember this is the same Henry Kissinger that the 9/11 families and those of us with the airlines involved, fought to have removed from the 9/11 commission white wash ......and many here at DU worked to get removed from the 9/11 white wash commission

Why has Obama partnered up with Nixon's man Kissinger?????????? I will keep at this till the people making excuses answer this!! Kissinger is one of the worst US government criminals.. in my entire 56 yr lifetime .

http://www.answers.com/topic/timothy-f-geithner

Timothy Geithner
Career
After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).<

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.<5> Summers was his mentor,<1> but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.<9><10><11>



Treasury Secretary designee Geithner meets Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus November 25, 2008
In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.<7> At the International Monetary Fund he was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003).<5>

[blm]

14. Why? Because ever since Obama met Bush at the WH after the election, he's been acting

more centrist than when he ran.....especially about foreign policy. I fought for Obama because I didn't want Clinton-Lieberman wing of the party in control of our foreign policy.

Bill Clinton did exactly what Poppy Bush and Kissinger wanted, and it appears Obama may be forced into a corner he doesn't want to be in - I hope he gains enough power in his own right to extract himself from that corner.

[flyarm]

17. more and more and more excuses! thank you you proved my point! eom

[blm]

29. Get real - you know damn well that BushInc is still pulling strings, and my view supports the idea

that Obama was forced to go along with much of the Bush-Kissinger-Clinton agenda shortly after the election.

The center-right tilt he took after his first post-election meeting with Bush was glaring.

Excuses? You're offbase - I'm focking HOPING that Obama is only appeasing the fascists for now until he feels surer about his own power in that town so he can cut them loose. IMO, it will only happen after investigations expose BushInc's fascist agenda.

[blindpig]

32. Get over Bush

The Bush regime was but a manifestation, not the source, of what ails us.

Two parties, one agenda, Kapital uber alles.

[blm]

35. BushInc is the Fascist Agenda Frontline - and has been for many decades.

NONE of it will be understood by average Americans unless the roles Bushes and Clintons played in pushing the agenda forward are fully revealed.

[blindpig]

37. Just a piece of the puzzle.

The Bushies are but exalted delivery boys for their class. Every president since WWII has more or less followed the script written by business, that is, the ruling class.Hell, even FDR was trying to save capitalism from itself, for all the thanks he got from those assholes. Truman weren't shit either. For all his pithy quotes he betrayed the nation when he agreed to keep the US on war time footing.

By concentrating on the players you are missing the overall narrative.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. Has to feel sure of his own power? For chrissakes, he's THE PRESIDENT!!!!!

[EFerrari]

42. But isn't a president only as powerful as the allies he can muster?

:shrug:

[readmoreoften]

50. He has no allies? He won by the largest margin in a long, long time.

Obama is exactly who he said he is if you read between the lines. I decided to not listen to his speeches early on, because speeches are market-testing commercials. Heck politicians don't even write them. I read the one speech buried on his website from a Council on Foreign Relations address and it told me all I needed to know. That and his campaign being financed by the financial industry. I do think that he is hamstrung with his stimulus plan by the Republicans. I do think he is a Keynesian in the sense that he wants to build infrastructure and I like those things. But his foreign relations ideas (not the 'meeting with enemies' stuff, I'm fine with that): his position on the war, desire to expand into Pakistan, expressed commitment to "American interests around the globe" his dissimulation on black sites--these things really piss me off. He's a kinder, gentler face for Empire. Maybe not even as kind and gentle as I hoped. Basically, I see Obama as a brand. My sense is that those who are really in power see him that way too. Just an opinion. Hope I'm wrong.

[TBF]

56. I see it that way as well. His marketing campaign was run just like

a new breakfast cereal being introduced. I think McCain knew it as well and that's why he always looked disinterested or annoyed. If he didn't know it before they saddled him with Palin he figured it out at that point.

[blm]

57. He has no support system within crucial government agencies like FBI, Pentagon and CIA.

DoJ and State. Not yet, anyway. That support takes years to accrue.

[blm]

47. Of course he's the president, but, when fascists still control most everything in this country....

(including the corporate media who could take down ANYONE they truly needed taken out) he is going to have to step carefully into every agency and build his own powerbase that he can trust.

Fuck, BushInc's fixers are STILL in powerful positions - even in our own party.

[fooj]

58. Obama's lawyers are in court fighting to protect Bushco...

I'm afraid the "hopium" pipe is a bit low on smoke these days.

Obama stated from the very start that "HE WON" the election and he's in charge. He was going to hit the ground running from Day One, remember? I certainly do. Nobody is "forcing" him (except his "minders")to do anything.

I don't remember Clinton using Kissinger for anything. Did Bill cover for Poppy? Sure, he did. Did Jr. cover for Bill? Sure, he did. Is Obama covering for Jr.? You bet your sweet ass he is. And the wheels go round and round and round...

"Center-right tilt"??? Obama's senate record (as weak as it was) clearly indicated that he was NOT the "liberal" everyone so desperately wanted him to be. Wishing doesn't make it so...

[burythehatchet]

60. at my most hopeful I feel that he is trying to do as you say, but on normal days

I believe he is just a nicely packaged, exceedingly cool corporatist just like the rest of them.

[blm]

70. I understand.....and hope we grow the open government movement enough to FORCE the change

this country really needs. He was the best hope for that in 2008, and I think WE need to stay on top of our game to force him and the people around him leftward.

[flyarm]

81. what did Clinton do that Kissinger wanted..sorry i missed that..please

go into details..i do not remember Clinton sending Kissinger out to foreign countries to represent his administration..at all.

Please ..do tell.

And to be perfectly honest with you..I don't want Kissinger anywhere near my government..how many dead bodies do you need to know the guy is a murderer?????????

Oh and i worked non stop to get Kissinger removed from the 9/11 commission...the commission that was supposed to find out who killed my co-workers and my neighbors kids...it was a damn white wash, but it began a white wash when Bush put Kissinger on the 9/11 commission..please do some homework on that murdering fucker Kissinger!

This barely scratches the surface of the murdering fucker Kissinger...go do some homework on Chile...

and Cambodia..

Operation CHAOS, the CIA's illegal spying on domestic activists from 1967 until discovery by Congresswoman Bella Abzug in 1976. When she called the then CIA chief (later President) George Bush and challenged him about it, he admitted the CIA had over-reached its legal authority.

Check out Horman v. Kissinger... Joyce Horman sued Henry Kissinger for $4.9 million and information on the murder in Chile of her husband, American journalist Charles Horman.
Was Kissinger responsible for the overthrow of the legally elected government of Chile in September of 1973?

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0611-03.htm

Published on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 in the Toronto Globe & Mail
Is Henry Kissinger a War Criminal?
Thirty years after the death of Charles Horman inspired a bestseller and an Oscar-winning movie, his widow still pursues those she believes are really to blame -- including the former U.S. secretary of state. It's one reason the quest for international justice makes the United States so nervous.

by Marcus Gee

THE ACCUSED
Henry Alfred Kissinger, former U.S. Secretary of state, national security adviser and Nobel laureate

THE ACCUSATIONS
Complicity in coup against Chilean government plus the "killing, injury and displacement" of three million people during Vietnam War.

CURRENT WHEREABOUTS
Head of Kissinger Associates, Inc., international consulting firm in Washington.

It was a rainy day in spring when they brought Charles Horman home.



The U.S. journalist and filmmaker had been abducted and killed after the Chilean military overthrew president Salvador Allende in September, 1973. Six months later, his body arrived by plane in a crude wooden crate with "Charles Horman from Santiago" scrawled on the side.

As the makeshift coffin was unloaded at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, N.Y., the driving rain washed the words away, sending trails of black ink down the box. It was April 13, 1974.

Even before Mr. Horman's widow, Joyce, found herself standing in the rain that day, she had vowed that no one would ever erase the memory of what had been done to her husband.

She has been true to her word.

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Well ask the Chileans!!..see we don't imprison our murderers here in the good ole USA..we promote them or put them on TV or re-invent with a New president.. using the same criminals no matter what party and letting them commit more crimes against humanity..or over throwing who ever they damn well please killing untold numbers of innocent human beings..then using stupid people who will chorus how "not bad they are!"

Do some damn research on Henry murderer Kissinger before you tell anyone how not bad he is!

That mtf should have been taken to the Hague in my youth..this is a disgrace to this nation ..a disgusting disgrace!

Some fucking change!

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Kissingers_...



And the above barely scratches the surface of the criminal Obama just sent to Russia to represent his administration!

[blm]

98. You'd never hear any disagreement from me about Kissinger - my point is that Dems carry out

their bidding as well - Clinton kept the same global fascist agenda on track that Bush1 set up.

Obama was obviously forced into following that same plan to an extent, and it became obvious when he was forced into Hillary as SoS when she definitely was NOT his pick going into his meeting with Bush2 at the WH after the election.

[nichomachus]

20. Kissinger is not "Nixon's man"

The truth is that Nixon had never met Kissinger before he named him Sec State. Kissinger was inserted into the process by someone else -- and Nixon was told to accept him -- and it would be interesting to know who. Whoever that was working behind the scenes back in the Nixon years seems to be still working in the background.

[flyarm]

23. NWO eom

[hootinholler]

30. Who? I bet he asked for his mentor's opinion.

That would be Gramps shrub.

-Hoot

[nichomachus]

40. If I'm not mistaken -- Henry K was from the Rockefeller wing of the party.

But don't discount the Bushes' fine hand being in there somewhere.

[hootinholler]

43. You could well be right, but I'm certain Nixon would have consulted Prescott if he was still kicking

:shrug:

-Hoot

[flyarm]

87. not Nixon's man??????? really???????

but he spent many many nights at Camp David with Nixon...

Not Nixon's guy????? hell he ran Nixon..who are you kidding?? Yourself obviously..but you will kid no one my age..unless they slept through the Nixon years..

wow how facts change through the years and how people are re-invented by people who drink the kool-aide!

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/82may/hershwh2.htm

Kissinger and Nixon in the White House
by Seymour M. Hersh

Snip:

Henry Kissinger had entered the White House on Inauguration Day with immense power and no illusions about its source. He understood that his authority would never be disputed as long as he kept his sole client—Richard Nixon—pleased. Kissinger had loyally supported and endorsed Nixon's decision in late February to begin secretly bombing Cambodia with B-52 aircraft from the Strategic Air Command. The bombs were to be reported, even inside the military chain of command, as having fallen in South Vietnam. In April, Kissinger had been among those advocating extreme measures against North Korea when a North Korean aircraft shot down an unarmed Navy electronic-intelligence plane, known as an EC-121, ninety miles off the Korean coast, killing all thirty-one crew members aboard. His loyalty and his toughness in those incidents had strengthened his position, but by the end of April, 1969, the President still seemed unwilling, or unable, to isolate Melvin R. Laird, the secretary of defense, and William P. Rogers, the secretary of state, from White House decision-making.


snip:

Richard Nixon, according to a transcript of a White House tape recording that was made public during the 1974 impeachment hearings, strongly suggested that it was Kissinger who urged the wiretapping. Discussing the wiretaps on Halperin and Tony Lake (who was not wiretapped until 1970), Nixon said, "I know that he asked that it be done. And I assumed that it was. Lake and Halperin. They're both bad. But the taps were, too. They never helped us. Just gobs and gobs of material: gossip and bullshitting—the tapping was a very, very unproductive thing....."

snip:

By the fall of 1969, Kissinger had stripped his staff of many of those who were deemed to be offensive to the man in the Oval Office. Halperin formally resigned in September, Sneider and Davidson were long gone. All left quietly. Coping with Nixon, pleasing him, and trying to find out what he really wanted were always the most important priorities for Kissinger. If his staff was too Jewish and too liberal for Nixon and his chief aides, Kissinger made the necessary adjustments.

snip:

Morris often listened in on Kissinger's conversations with an obviously drunk Nixon. "There were many times when a cable would come in late and Henry would say, 'There's no sense waking him up—he'd be incoherent,'" Morris recalls. The young aide was frightened by the idea of a President who was not fully competent after sundown. He often wondered what would happen if the Soviet Union attacked at night.


again..this barely scratches the surface!!!!!!!!

Oh and the way i see it..you are either too young to know about Kissinger..or you never paid attention
( although i don't know how that would be possible) ..or you are trying to minimize this so the young people on these boards don't do their own research of Kissinger..and stay ignorant to what is really going on in the Obama administration! ( thats call propaganda!)

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. He sent Kissinger because the man knows geopolitics and is effective

The President has shown that he prizes ability over ideology when it comes to who he hires.

[blindpig]

44. Effective?

If serving international Capital is what ya want to do, I guess so.

I suppose it is refreshing to have it all out in the open, no more of this silly party politics mucking up things. The Money Party rules.

[readmoreoften]

51. Yup. The Money Party.

(And geopolitics was derided until the 70s as a Nazi invention...)

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. How does his going to Russa on the President's behalf serve internationa capital?

:shrug:

[blindpig]

74. Kissinger is a major fixer for the ruling class.

Whoever his nominative employer is acts as nothing more than a flag of convenience.

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. What specifically is he doing in Russia to serve as a 'fixer?'

:shrug:

[blindpig]

88. Not sure.

But whatever it is it's bound to be no good, his track record speaks for itself. He is an intellectual thug with no consideration for the average human being whatsoever. Should have been sent to the Hague 30 years ago.

The employment by this administration of so many reactionaries bodes ill, new, improved imperialism.

[Freddie Stubbs]

89. So, you're just making accusations without any proof?

How enlightened.

[blindpig]

92. See post #91

I knew that was coming.

[Freddie Stubbs]

93. What in the world does that have to do with Russia?

:shrug:

[blindpig]

95. Don't be obtuse.

That motherfucker has consistently been up to no good. The issue is employing Kissinger for anything other than a subject for live ebola virus research. Lie down with pigs........

[Freddie Stubbs]

100. What no good was he up to in 2008?

:shrug:

[blindpig]

101. I'm becoming bored with you're stupid games.

If you're OK with having that sociopathic scumbag representing this country or having anything to do affecting the lives of others, fine. It speaks volumes about you.

And just to show how magnanimous I am, a present, some choice Kissinger quotes:


(Soldiers are) dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.<56>

The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.<58>

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.<59>

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Quotes

Enjoy

[Freddie Stubbs]

103. What does it say about a President who hires a "sociopathic scumbag" to represent the country?

[blindpig]

104. Ah, a rhetorical question. n/t

[fooj]

59. Kissinger is a criminal.

He belongs in The Hague.

[Freddie Stubbs]

71. What crimes has he been convicted of?

:shrug:

[fooj]

76. MANY war criminals have not been convicted.

http://www.eclipse.net/%7Etgardnet/kiss/kisskill.html

[Freddie Stubbs]

82. Why hasn't he even been charged?

:shrug:

[flyarm]

79. he will die before he is convicted..his crimes are so big

he is protected by our government..does that make you proud???????

When was Nixon tried for his crimes???????

How about poppy bush?????????

who was convicted of killing Kennedy???????

who is in jail for 9/11?????????

certainly not our CIA trained Bin Laden..you jest right??????? Hell Bin Laden is not even on the FBI"s most wanted list!

this is just a little warm up on Kissinger..

Published on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 in the Toronto Globe & Mail
Is Henry Kissinger a War Criminal?


http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0611-03.htm
A leading citizen of the world's most powerful nation, Mr. Kissinger served as U.S. Secretary of state and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in the same year as the coup in Chile. He was also national security adviser to president Richard Nixon, and Ms. Horman believes that he and other U.S. officials were deeply involved in the events that cost her husband his life.

It has been almost 30 years, and she doesn't seem bitter. At 57, she is pleasant and straightforward, in her stylish glasses with owlish frames, and has friends, a career and a social life. Nor does she seem obsessed with her dead husband. No photographs of him are to be seen in her bright apartment on Manhattan's Upper East Side.Even so, the events of 1973 still cast a dark shadow. Asked what she misses most about Charles, she dissolves into tears and then explains: "He was intelligent, friendly, interesting -- he just loved life, and that's why his friends loved him."Of course, nothing can replace the life she and her husband might have had. All that she wants now, she says, is the simple truth -- and that leads to Mr. Kissinger.

"There's no way around him," she says. "He is the most responsible person for the behavior of the U.S. government in Chile at that time. He needs to be put on trial."A few years ago, that would have seemed wildly improbable. The armor of sovereign immunity protected all officials from the acts they committed on government service, no matter how unsavory.

But the 1998 arrest of the man behind the coup, Gen. Pinochet, has knocked a gaping hole in that armor Since then, a posse of victims, human-rights activists and crusading prosecutors has tried to apply this "Pinochet precedent" to others accused of mass killing, torture, abduction and war crimes.Mr. Kissinger is their biggest quarry yet, and they are getting closer all the time. Now, prosecutors in Chile, Argentina, Spain and France want him to testify about what happened in Chile. Last month, a Chilean judge staged a re-enactment of the Horman killing at Santiago's National Stadium, and now wants Mr. Kissinger at least to answer written questions about U.S. involvement in the coup.

[Freddie Stubbs]

83. What specifically is the Obama administration doing to protect Kissinger?

:shrug:

[flyarm]

90. please go back and read..Obama isn't trying to protect Kissinger..i never said that.

but Kissinger is now working for /with the Obama administration, and that ought to tell you alot about Obama!

I say "ought" , but those who have been taking the HOPIUM..WON'T GET IT TILL THEY AND THE REST OF US ARE ALREADY SCREWED BEYOND REPAIR!

I WAS REPLYING TO A PREVIOUS POST.. go back and read.

[Freddie Stubbs]

94. You said that "he is protected by our government"

If not the President, then who in his administration is protecting him? What specifically are they doing to protect him?

[asteroid2003QQ47]

54. "Why has Obama partnered up with Nixon's man Kissinger?"

Because he has no say in the matter?
-------------------------

Okay, y'all know the drill. Lefties over here, righties over there. It's showtime, people! Places!
--Gore Vidal

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. "Mein Fuhrer! I can WALK!!"

[camera obscura]

73. Best comment of the thread

[AntiFascist]

75. Nice to know who is really in charge....

[peacetalksforall]

8. Do you know the feeling you get when you hear something so bad that it drains you.

What was any conference doing giving tribute to Kissinger the massacre-ist. If I believed in an anit-Christ, it would be him. I despise and pity the man for his arrogant kills.

Did this Jones, a people employee, have permission to say what he did?

Is this Jones approved by Obama?\

What is going on?

I'm afraid I may be thinking about this and Obama all day.

Don't people know how contemptible Kissinger is? How can they do this? Biden was there? What the heck did he say about Kissinger, the corporation murderer.

Dropping enemies into the open ocean from an aircraft. Mass burials. Taking out a peace seeking leader on the streets of Washington? There are many bones decaying in mass burials places all over the world - for God's sake.

Parallel or worse than Dick, Donald, George.

What is Obama thinking? Where are we really headed?

[flyarm]

9. I have been posting here for two weeks asking why Obama sent Kissinger to Russia..

no one has even replied to my queries..it is as if people here at du ignore it it will go away..it won't!

people start doing research on
Timothy Geithner

and his dad..and his background in Indonesia..and the Ford Foundation..

there are ties that bind..

[arcadian]

28. Indonesia was the real prize in Southeast Asia

VietNam was the side show.

[upi402]

36. E. Timor. Suharto, Sukarno

The worlds' 4th most populous state. Most Muslims. What next? Oil?

[TBF]

21. "What is Obama thinking? Where are we really headed?"

Very good questions. K&R

[MiniMe]

12. That gets back to the Atlantic Council

which is where James Jones came from. Scowcroft is on the board there, and I have seen Kissenger there. I actually work in the same building.

http://www.acus.org/about

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Does Obama know about Kissinger's past? Only Obama can

answer that but it makes me wonder how uninformed some politicians are. Or that they have their own area of expertise..ie Obama and domestic issues. It is blood chilling to think, that if Obama is aware of Kissinger's bloody history, Obama is working with him anyway.

[flyarm]

18. or so many citizens who pushed this guy on us! eom

[tuckessee]

52. If he's not aware then he's unfit to President.

Someone that out of touch with reality should re-enroll in third grade and start over.

[blindpig]

61. And if he is aware..........

then it's bidness as usual for imperialism.

I mean, Kissinger, really? Might as well declare yourself a Satanist.

I guess it's that bipartisan thing.

[anigbrowl]

53. I'm sure he has no idea

I mean, he probably doesn't read books or even have any interest in history. It's pretty much a given that you're much better informed than he is.

[RandomThoughts]

15. A few things.

If Kissinger was/is running the show, he would not need a surrogate to say it, so the saying of it has a different purpose.

Either to make people think Kissinger is in the mix, or to reassure certain people that he is, if he is or not.

But I saw another thing in the article.
Jones comment
So let me say a few words about what the National Security Council does and how President Obama has asked that I approach my job as National Security Adviser.

While the guy says he takes his daily orders from Kissinger, he mentions that President Obama asked not instructs, or orders, or directs. This may just be a reflection of President Obama's easy going people skills, or it may be a different level of respect.

Could be a power play, but if so, it is pretty up front and would not end well, or it could be a misdirection or example of inclusion, either way it is either more then it seems or badly worded.

[flyarm]

22. Obama sent Kissinger to Russia to represent his administration

a few weeks ago..does it get any clearer??????????

goggle is your friend!

or used to be.

eom

[RandomThoughts]

25. Well sending Kissinger to Russia

Does not mean Kissinger is in charge. It may be that President Obama recognizes his years of experience, and uses that within President Obama's own vision of the future.

Kissinger is a man, I personally disagree with many things he has said, and his frame of reference, but that does not make him all bad or all good.

[flyarm]

78. Kissinger not bad?? get fucking real!

Operation CHAOS, the CIA's illegal spying on domestic activists from 1967 until discovery by Congresswoman Bella Abzug in 1976. When she called the then CIA chief (later President) George Bush and challenged him about it, he admitted the CIA had over-reached its legal authority.

Check out Horman v. Kissinger... Joyce Horman sued Henry Kissinger for $4.9 million and information on the murder in Chile of her husband, American journalist Charles Horman.
Was Kissinger responsible for the overthrow of the legally elected government of Chile in September of 1973?

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0611-03.htm

Published on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 in the Toronto Globe & Mail
Is Henry Kissinger a War Criminal?
Thirty years after the death of Charles Horman inspired a bestseller and an Oscar-winning movie, his widow still pursues those she believes are really to blame -- including the former U.S. secretary of state. It's one reason the quest for international justice makes the United States so nervous.

by Marcus Gee

THE ACCUSED
Henry Alfred Kissinger, former U.S. Secretary of state, national security adviser and Nobel laureate

THE ACCUSATIONS
Complicity in coup against Chilean government plus the "killing, injury and displacement" of three million people during Vietnam War.

CURRENT WHEREABOUTS
Head of Kissinger Associates, Inc., international consulting firm in Washington.

It was a rainy day in spring when they brought Charles Horman home.



The U.S. journalist and filmmaker had been abducted and killed after the Chilean military overthrew president Salvador Allende in September, 1973. Six months later, his body arrived by plane in a crude wooden crate with "Charles Horman from Santiago" scrawled on the side.

As the makeshift coffin was unloaded at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, N.Y., the driving rain washed the words away, sending trails of black ink down the box. It was April 13, 1974.

Even before Mr. Horman's widow, Joyce, found herself standing in the rain that day, she had vowed that no one would ever erase the memory of what had been done to her husband.

She has been true to her word.

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Well ask the Chileans!!..see we don't imprison our murderers here in the good ole USA..we promote them or put them on TV or re-invent with a New president.. using the same criminals no matter what party and letting them commit more crimes against humanity..or over throwing who ever they damn well please killing untold numbers of innocent human beings..then using stupid people who will chorus how "not bad they are!"

Do some damn research on Henry murderer Kissinger before you tell anyone how not bad he is!

That mtf should have been taken to the Hague in my youth..this is a disgrace to this nation ..a disgusting disgrace!

Some fucking change!

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Kissingers_Crimes.html



And the above barely scratches the surface of the criminal Obama just sent to Russia to represent his administration!

[lurky]

16. So, was a deal made behind the scenes?

"Sure you can be president, but our guys have to be running NSC, Treasury, and Defense. Play along or we will make things 'extremely difficult' for you."

:tinfoilhat:

[ozu]

19. Pay no mind

It's merely coincidence that the same people have been "advising" Presidents and running the Treasury for 40 years.

:)

[Nickster]

24. Read Shock Doctrine, that exact thing has been playing out in other countries, I don't see why it

wouldn't apply here.

[RandomThoughts]

27. There are factions.

You got to expect some groups want to try and claim power to be able to make things tougher, using those groups strengths while limiting there weaknesses makes sense.

I do not believe President Obama cedes power to NSC, Treasury, or Defense, on issues that go against his values.

The thing about factions is ALL of there power comes from people thinking they have power. So statements like those about Kissinger or statements like yours, are the reason they have any power at all.

Even the richest man has no power if people knew their money would taint them and draw them down. And most of these factions you speak about really are loose frameworks of ideologies projected in peoples minds, and that then create 'herds'. Those herds then can be moved, weather CEO's or large foundations or institutions, by people with respect, giving direction to the herd.

So comments like that could be to try and maintain Kissinger's herd, and that would only be necessary if they are scattering.

:shrug: you see this stuff all the time.

[TBF]

48. I'm curious as to what you think Kissinger's strengths are, and why we would need that "expertise".

[CoffeeCat]

38. This notion, by itself, deserves its own thread...

The "powers that be" weren't simply going to relinquish power, and forget about
their Fascist plans for America. The made a great deal of "progress" during
Bush's eight years. They weren't just going to walk away.

I'd sure like to know how this whole subversion of democracy works behind
the scenes.

Do they directly dialog with Obama and tell him how it's going to be? Or do
they screw things up and control things from behind the scenes.

Some of Obama's appointments and cabinet positions are a bit suspect, if you
ask me. It's as if he's been told who he'll pick, in some circumstances.

[TBF]

46. You have to wonder...

Obama did not look pleased when he was giving his acceptance speech for locking up the nomination. I thought he might be stressed about security issues, but others suggested at the time that maybe he had just found out how the show is really run.

[blindpig]

26. Continuity

Two parties, one objective, Kapital uber alles.

Anyone claiming any sort of affinity with a monster like Kissinger should not be allowed around children, sharp objects or government policy.

[leftstreet]

31. K&R

[upi402]

34. Kissinger? Why isn't he before the Hague already???

Obama needs to dump him now.

[burythehatchet]

65. Because American war criminals are special.

[bigtree]

39. that's just bizarre

christ

[burythehatchet]

62. I know you are a big Hillary fan, but I hope you don't think that she would have taken a

different course.

[bigtree]

64. it's sad that you are viewing this as an extension of Democratic primary politics

Even so, now, as then, my positions have been consistent.

[burythehatchet]

68. no offense intended.

[bigtree]

69. Didn't she meet up with him at one point in the campaign?

It's like the Nixon thing. It is the Nixon thing. It's either mystifying or confirming. It's certainly not a benign association.

[scarletwoman]

45. Kissinger -- why won't that evil golem die already?

It's apparent that Obama has to accede to the Shadow Government, unless he wants to end up like JFK.

sw

[blindpig]

86. He 'acceded' before he was nominated.

Else he never would have been nominated.

[FreeJG]

49. It's "Hopium"

[blindpig]

55. morning kick n/t

[asteroid2003QQ47]

63. Afternoon kick n/t

[MilesColtrane]

66. Obviously Jones is making a joke at the expense of people who would believe such a thing....like you

[bigtree]

67. I think it's the extent of the praise and respect for Kissinger that his statement represents

. . . that's most objected to.

[TBF]

77. Also objectionable is the fact that Kissinger has such an important role in the administration. n/t

[Orwellian_Ghost]

102. National Security Advisor: Who is James L. (Revolving Door) Jones?

In selecting James L. Jones to be his national security advisor, Barack Obama has chosen a former Marine Corps general who, at the time of his nomination, sat on the board of directors of a leading oil company (Chevron), a leading weapons manufacturer (Boeing), a leading producer of fingerprint scanners and other security devices (Cross Match), and the leading manufacturer of wheelchairs (Invacare), all of which have large contracts with the federal government. Jones has also lobbied on behalf of the energy industry as president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for 21st Century Energy.

Jones was born in Kansas City, MO, on December 19, 1943. His father, James L. Jones, Sr., served in the Marine Corps during World War II and helped develop the first amphibious reconnaissance battalions used by Marines. Jones Jr. spent most of his youth in France, attending the American School of Paris, and speaks fluent French. He returned to the United States to finish high school, living with his aunt and uncle in Alexandria, VA. He then attended the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service and played forward for the Hoya's basketball team, averaging 0.8 points per game. Jones graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in 1966.

He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps in January 1967 and was sent to Vietnam, where he served as a platoon and company commander with Company G, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marines. While overseas, he was promoted to first lieutenant in June 1968.

Returning to the US in December 1968, Jones was assigned to Camp Pendleton, CA, where he served as a company commander until May 1970. He then received orders to Marine Barracks, Washington, DC, for duties as a company commander, serving in this assignment until July 1973. He was promoted to captain in December 1970. From July 1973 until June 1974, he was a student at the Amphibious Warfare School, Quantico, VA. In November 1974, he received orders to report to the 3rd Marine Division on Okinawa, where he served as the company commander of Company H, 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines, until December 1975.

<snip>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallechinsky/national-security-advisor_b_155889.html

[DerekG]

80. Didn't anyone else see this crap coming?

Barack Obama is not your friend, folks.

[burythehatchet]

85. but he is uber cool.

[Freddie Stubbs]

105. Most Democrats support the President

[blindpig]

91. Wanted: Henry Kissinger, War Criminal.

WAR CRIMES

Henry Kissinger



Aliases: Henry Alfred Kissinger, Heinz Alfred Kissinger, Butcher of Cambodia

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CAUTION
In the minutes of a secret 1975 meeting of the National Security Council attended by President Ford reveal Henry Kissinger grumbling, "It is an act of insanity and national humiliation to have a law prohibiting the President from ordering assassination." - LOST CRUSADER: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby, by John Prados, Oxford University Press, 2003

The February and March 2001 issues of Harper's Magazine feature a series by Christopher Hitchens on the case for charging Kissinger with War Crimes. Part I: The making of a war criminal Part 2 will feature an extensive section on East Timor.

Christopher Hitchens' Trial of Henry Kissinger: A Review By Mike McGlothlin ...

Hitchens presents a rather straightforward argument that establishes two seemingly undeniable propositions: on at least one occasion, Henry K. conspired to commit murder, and that on numerous other occasions, Henry K. was the primary force behind certain acts that could quite plausibly be considered war crimes. The case for Henry K. as murder conspirator is what Hitchens calls a "lay-down" case, i.e., one that stands out for its clear facts and clear law. The murder victim is General Rene Schneider, who was the Commander in Chief of the Chilean Army, whom Hitchens misidentifies as the Chilean "Chief of Staff."; According to Hitchens (and the 09 September, 1970 minutes of the "40" Committee, the Kissinger chaired secret panel that oversaw U.S. covert operations), the Chilean military had a strong tradition of neutrality in political affairs, a rarity on the South American continent. General Schneider was known as an officer committed to upholding the Chilean constitution and therefore opposed to the rumored incipient coup against newly elected Socialist President Salvador Allende by a right wing would-be junta of current and former Chilean military officers. Using U.S. Government communications cables from the CIA and documents from the State Department, and White House, Hitchens relates the facts of Kissinger's direct involvement in the direction, planning, financing, and general support by the organs of the U.S. Government in the plot to remove General Schneider.

LA Weekly: WLS Review: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Kissinger

How You Can Do What the Government Won’t: Arrest Henry Kissinger - Manhattan’s Milosevic, The Village Voice, Week of August 15 - 21, 2001

... bring Henry Kissinger to justice for crimes against humanity. Consider, though, what happened to the last people to talk even jokingly about plans for a citizen's arrest of the real-life model for Dr. Strangelove. ... An indictment of Henry Kissinger for genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes would include (but not be confined to) the following. ...

Henry Kissinger: War Criminal or Old-Fashioned Murderer? - Welcome to the "Henry Kissinger: Unindicted Terrorist" file! ...

Incredibly, Henry Kissinger—the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)—still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society.

Masterminded the murder of as estimated 600,000 peasants in Cambodia (the "Secret bombing")

Pol Pot And Kissinger On war criminality and impunity by Edward S. Herman

President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger gave the go ahead to Suharto's invasion of East Timor and subsequent massive war crimes there, and the same Kissinger, who helped President Nixon engineer and then protect the Pinochet coup and regime of torture and murder, and directed the first phase of the holocaust in Cambodia (1969-75) ...

The time was September 11, 1973. The country was Chile. The event was the bloody overthrow of a democratic government. And the criminals were Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile. The Pornography of Power


TOBY HARNDEN, TELEGRAPH, LONDON: Washington reacted furiously to a request by Chilean judges for Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state, to answer questions about an American journalist killed during the 1973 coup in Chile. A Bush administration official condemned the Chilean supreme court decision to send questions to Dr Kissinger, saying the move increased unease about the proposed International Criminal Court in The Hague. The administration source said: "It is unjust and ridiculous that a distinguished servant of this country should be harassed by foreign courts in this way. The danger of the ICC is that, one day, US citizens might face arrest abroad and prosecution as a result of such politically motivated antics." . . . In its ruling, Chile's supreme court said a list of questions should be sent to the US supreme court with regard to Dr Kissinger's knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the death of Charles Horman, a journalist arrested by troops loyal to General Augusto Pinochet. His body was identified in a mortuary weeks later . . . The Chilean order came less than two months after French detectives delivered a court summons to Dr Kissinger, who was visiting Paris, asking him to testify about the disappearance of French nationals in Chile . . . In another case, a judge in Argentina has ordered Dr Kissinger to testify in a human-rights trial about a 1970s plan by South American governments to kidnap and kill Left-wing critics.

The US involvement in coup planning began even before Allende's election victory, under the code-name FUBELT, with action plans prepared for Kissinger's consideration. One group of officers working under CIA direction carried out the assassination of General Rene Schneider, a pro-Allende officer, in an unsuccessful attempt to spark a full-scale coup before Allende could take office. Can Henry Kissinger be Extradited?

He serves his consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, serves as a sort of private National Security Adviser and Secretary of State to about 30 major corporations around the world, such as American Express, Freeport-McMoRan Minerals, Chase Manhattan Bank, Volvo ... Walter Isaacson on Booknotes

According to the new book Kissinger, by Walter Isaacson, published in 1992 by Simon & Schuster, ASEA Brown Boveri (page 733) had a contract or project arrangement with Henry Kissinger’s money-making consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, in 1990. According to this fascinating book, Kissinger started his consultancy in July 1982 with “$350,000 lent to him by Goldman Sachs and a consortium of three other banks.” Some of the people Kissinger hired to work for him were Brent Scowcroft, former national security adviser, and Lawrence Eagleburger “who was lured aboard as president in June 1984 after serving as undersecretary of state”. Both Snowcroft and Eagleburger left Kissinger Associates in 1989 to join President Bush’s administration. Kent Associates is a subsidiary of Kissinger Associates. On pages 733-734 a list of some of Kissinger’s corporate clients include, aside from ABB: Shearson Lehman Hutton, Atlantic Richfield, Banca Nazionale del Lavora (BNL) “a Rome bank that made illegal loans to Iraq”; Fluor; Hunt Oil; Merck & Co.; Union Carbide. http://www.workonwaste.org/wastenots/wn218.htm

The Iranian: Opinion, Kissinger, Good will - From "The Oil Deal With Iran" by Henry Kissinger, distributed by the Los Angeles Times Syndicate and published in The Washington Post (October 28, 1997).
Chapter 9 - An Abridged History of the United States - . This material rested on illegal wiretaps ordered by Henry Kissinger, and it turned up in John Ehrlichman's office.
Kissinger, Iraq, BNL

Kissinger was born in Fuerth, Germany, on May 27, 1923, came to the United States in 1938, and was naturalized a United States citizen on June 19, 1943. He speaks French and German.

Kissinger is married to the former Nancy Maginnes and is the father of two children by a previous marriage. First wife, Ann Fleischer.


Henry and Nancy Kissinger have a house in Kent Connecticut.

On American Express Board of Directors.

The Chairman of Kissinger McLarty Associates is Dr. Henry Kissinger. Washington, D.C.-based Kissinger McLarty Associates is an affiliate of Kissinger Associates, Inc., which is headquartered in New York City. GlobalNet Retains Kissinger McLarty Strategic Consulting Firm ... “The firm of Kissinger, McLarty & Richardson epitomizes Washington, D.C. at its worst – sleazy ex-administration officials, feeding off special influence and power and then ... - Larry Klayman from Judicial Watch KISSINGER, McLARTY & RICHARDSON

Kissinger Associates, Inc.
350 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10022
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Just in case any of ya'll aren't up to speed.

[Delphinus]

96. I thought this was a joke.

Guess I was wrong.

[blindpig]

97. The 'joke' is on Democratic voters. n/t