Brazil rocked by abortion for 9-year-old rape victim

[babsbunny]

Church excommunicates mother and doctors – but not accused rapist

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brazil-rocked-by-abortion-for-9yearold-rape-victim-1640165.html


Monday, 9 March 2009


Declaring that "life must always be protected", a senior Vatican cleric has defended the Catholic Church's decision to excommunicate the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim who had a life-saving abortion in Brazil.

Cardinal Giovanni Batista Re, who heads the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, told reporters that although the girl fell pregnant after apparently being abused by her stepfather, her twins had, "the right to live, and could not be eliminated".

[Ian David]

1. So much for the Catholic Shrine of The Pregnant Miracle Nine Year Old. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

2. "Every sperm is sacred" nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. Video here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

[cliffordu]

8. oops..

Apparently I've been murdering whole galaxies per year......

[Joe the Liberal]

14. LOL........

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Deja Q]

3. What about post-born life?

I mean it's all and great to save a fetus, but the world it grows up in is so much the antithesis to the faux sense of love placed on the unborn. Another reason why the right wing is wrong and plucked.

[ljm2002]

5. So the right to live...

...is protected in utero, but not afterwards?

It was pretty well accepted that she would either die or be severely harmed by carrying twins to term at such a tender age.

The girl was raped.

Yet these paragons of spiritual insight would have us believe that the twins she might have borne took precedence over her. We are to believe that her life is of no consequence, except as a vessel to produce more life.

These so-called people turn my stomach. Their moral absolutism results in the most absurd judgments. It reminds me of Justice Scalia's pronouncement that "mere factual innocence" could not take precedence over a death sentence "duly arrived at." Never mind that other person's life. Never mind the girl who was raped, or the man who was wrongly convicted: we have our absolutist imperatives and we must impose them on everyone.

Well at least it's getting lots of publicity. I feel so awful for the child, and hope she can recover and live a normal life -- no, not a normal life, but one brimming with joy, and free of the strictures of a church that has lost its connection with humanity.

[Bluebear]

6. She should have had the babies. God works in mysterious ways.

It even hurts to PRETEND to have that mindset.

[MedleyMisty]

7. I give him credit for being consistent

I've seen discussion on other forums where people are like, "But I know pro-life people who are cool with it." and I'm like "Okay, if you think it's okay in some cases but not in others then you don't actually worship the fetus. You're just projecting your prejudice on to people and thinking that it's okay for a nine year old rape victim because it's not her fault, but an older woman who engaged in consensual sex and accidentally got pregnant deserves to be punished. Thus proving my point that it's not about the fetus at all but about controlling women and punishing them for not behaving in accordance with your personal sexual mores."

So hey - that dude must actually worship the fetus. Good for him for not being a hypocrite.

[JerseygirlCT]

16. Well, I think they're just taking the easy way out

There is never anything about life that's not ambiguous. Deciding when exactly life begins and weighing a potential life against an actual life are messy ethical and moral problems. There isn't an easy answer, and frankly, there shouldn't be - easy answers lead to thoughtlessness - which is what has been displayed in this proclamation.

Easy out, too, for a bunch of celibate men, who can safely pronounce abortion the world's greatest evil and know it will never impact them in the least.

A child's life and health are at risk. An actual, living child. An actual child who for three years was raped by what should have been a trusted parent.

As Emerson said:
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

[sohndrsmith]

9. this leaves me speechless. n/t

[Doctor Cynic]

10. The Catholic Church is pro-rape and pro-pedophilia.

[nancyr]

11. The "father" needs to be castrated.

How could a sane person feel that it is morally correct to force a child to actually give birth under these circumstances??? This is obscene and beyond crazy.

[whosinpower]

12. Life must always be protected

But what of the life of the nine year old girl????? Apparently the life of her unborn twins trumps her own, being that she is a mere vessel for those lives.

And, as for the step-father.....well, as long as he confesses, says ten hail mary's - he is good to go to the pearly gates. But, the mother who wanted to SAVE her daughter's life is excommunicated........I am beyond appalled.

The Church protected its priests when it they were charged with pedophilia, and rape - and so this should not come as a surprise. You see - men are cherished, and women are vessels. Men can be forgiven their sins - but not the women.

Would the church excommunicate a police officer who shoots and kills someone engaged in an act of murder???

God does indeed work in mysterious ways. Perhaps THIS was meant to prove, once and for all, the gross hypocrisy and dinosaur intellect of a body that is supposed to be the word of God.

[Rage for Order]

13. Everything else aside....

Am I the only one who finds it odd that a 9 year old girl got pregnant? I mean, holy shit, what the hell kind of Bovine Growth Hormones are in the milk and meats we eat that would enable a 9 year old to have reached puberty? I understand times change and people change, but I can't believe that 9 years old is now the norm for children to hit puberty.

Am I just an out-of-touch old fogey? :shrug:

[JerseygirlCT]

17. It's happening more and more often.

Don't know if there are environmental causes (it's been speculated), but certainly a fair number of 9 yos are entering puberty.

And as the parent of a 9 yo, yeah - it's scary and a bit amazing. (Mine has not started yet!)

[Jamastiene]

19. I was 8 years old back in '78 when I hit puberty.

Everybody in my family starts puberty early. Some just mature faster than others, I suppose.

[BlooInBloo]

15. FUCK. THEM. Pieces of shit.

[Grey]

18. the girl fell pregnant....

If I fell would I get pregnant? How the hell does that happen?

[Eryemil]

20. Well at least they are not hypocrites, hopefully it'll bite them in the ass n|t

[stuntcat]

21. religion..

Religion is the biggest problem the whole world has right now. I'm reminded over and over every day.