Ten Years Later And An Erection Still...........

[rsmith6621]

.....Cost $8.00 for someone who is challenged in that area of life....I thought the more they produced something the cheaper it got.....Oh!!!.....I forgot that rule doesn't apply to Big PHARMA......

The cost of Viagra is still the same as it was in 1999....Cialas and Levitra have not change in the past five years either.

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Well, is the condition life-threatening?

Boner pills are a luxury, IMHO.

[rsmith6621]

5. Luxury for you...

......a quality of life issue for others...

[OhioChick]

10. Not a luxury at all.....

There have been many published studies that state that those who have active sex lives, tend to be healthier and live longer.

[ddeclue]

66. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc

There's no way to establish which is the cause and which is the effect.

Perhaps people who are healthier just happen to be having (and be capable of) more sex.

How do you establish that sex is making people healthier...

Sounds like a classic post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy to me (and a very convenient one if you are pushing boner pills for Big Pharma...)

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[OhioChick]

96. Google is your friend...

•Sex may decrease the incidence of prostate cancer: A study published in the British Journal of Urology in 2003 found that men in their 20s could reduce their chances of prostate cancer by ejaculating more than five times a week.

• Sex may prevent illnesses such as colds and flus: A 1999 study at Wilkes University in Pennsylvania found that people who have sex one or two times a week had higher levels of immunoglobulin A, the immune cell protein that protects against viral illnesses.

•Sex seems to prolong life: A 1997 study from the British Medical Journal followed 1,000 men over 10 years and found that men who had a higher frequency of orgasm had half the death rate of those with fewer orgasms.

http://www.courant.com/features/hc-opobitsex0304.artmar04,0,4001308.story


A study on aging from Duke in the 1970s found that for men the frequency of sexual intercourse was associated with lower death rates. For women the enjoyment of intercourse was associated with longer life.

A Swedish study found increased risk of death in men who gave up sexual intercourse.

A study published in 1976 found that sexual dissatisfaction was a risk factor for heart attacks in women. Now a new study published in the esteemed British Medical Journal offers more good news. The findings suggest that men who have frequent sex are less likely to die at an early age.

An intrepid group of researchers from Great Britain included a question about sexual activity in a long-term study of health. The authors studied nearly 1000 men aged 45 to 59 and living in or near Caerphilly, Wales. The men were asked about the frequency of sexual intercourse. They were divided into three groups: those who had sex twice or more a week, an intermediate group, and those who reported having sex less than monthly.

A decade later, researchers found that the death rate from all causes for the least sexually active men was twice as high as that of the most active. The death rate in the intermediate group was 1.6 times greater than for the active group. A similar pattern of longevity and frequency of orgasm was found for all causes of death, coronary heart disease, and other causes.

http://www.wholefitness.com/sexprolongslife.html

[Apollo11]

103. Does pleasuring myself deliver the same benefits?

•Sex may decrease the incidence of prostate cancer: A study published in the British Journal of Urology in 2003 found that men in their 20s could reduce their chances of prostate cancer by ejaculating more than five times a week.

•Sex seems to prolong life: A 1997 study from the British Medical Journal followed 1,000 men over 10 years and found that men who had a higher frequency of orgasm had half the death rate of those with fewer orgasms.

Just askin' ... :eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

17. The patent runs out globally

in 2011-2013.

Soon the world will be filled with generic boner meds.

[Sal Minella]

33. While we wait and wait and wait for a simple, DEPENDABLE, cheap contraceptive

for the women being boned.

Having unplanned babies makes women's lives shorter, unhealthier (physically and mentally) and more miserable, but nobody in the medical world seems to consider this a health issue at all.

I still think every boner pill should come wrapped in a certificate for a free abortion, should one be needed.

[PBS Poll-435]

34. Well you have me there

Physiologically, there are only so many options.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. There are lots of dependable cheap contraceptives.

[Sal Minella]

48. The reason there are so many is that none of them work worth a damn.

Condom, for instance -- pretend that condoms are 99% effective. If a fertile couple has sex even twice a week using condoms, there's the risk of a pregnancy every damn year (one out of 104). This is not rocket surgery, folks.

Vaginal sponge? Like the Romans used? (Did you ever wonder why there were so many Romans???) Surgeons now have advanced somewhat beyond using leeches and cupping, but the pharmaceutical companies are trying to tell us the vaginal sponge is worth buying as an expensive contraceptive? What?

Abstinence is the very best of course -- but you do have to be clever enough to persuade a rapist to please not put his spermies in you. Good luck with that, if you are a woman.

The cruelest hoax is the contraceptive pill manufacturers who don't bother with quality control, and women get pregnant while religiously following their regimen of taking birth control pills. Then they are told by their (male) doctors that they must have forgotten to take a pill -- when they know they didn't.

Does a man expect only 80% of his boner pills to be effective? No?

Then why are women supposed to be satisfied with 80%-effective contraceptive methods that result in pregnancies?????

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

49. Your figures assume constant fertility which is not the case.

Mirena, Implanon, Essure and Depo-Provera have all proven very effective.

David

[Sal Minella]

50. I said "There's a risk" not "There's a pregnancy." kay?

For a woman who already has more children than she can take care of adequately, any level of risk is unacceptable.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. The risk in your scenario is not 1 in 104 though.

If any level of risk of pregnancy is unnacceptable then that couple should refrain from having sex.

David

[Sal Minella]

54. You've never tried to talk a horny husband out of having sex, have you?

No. Thought not.

In your next reincarnation, I suggest you TRY talking a man out of having sex, just to educate yourself a bit for the reincarnation following your life as the mother of 12.

You're right -- the risk is not one in 104.

It's 1.04 in 104, given a 99% effectiveness, which no known contraceptive has, far as I know. (I think you miss that I am talking about risk of pregnancy, not certainty of pregnancy).

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

55. No it's not, unless you ovulate every week.

[ddeclue]

71. That's per sexual encounter..

in a long term relationship if you are having sex twice a week that's 104 times a year so you're pretty much gonna get pregnant about once a year if everybody's parts are working according to the design specifications if there aren't at least multiple techniques being applied like condom+pill or by using a long term implantable product or through sterilization of one of the partners.

[Sal Minella]

72. A one-percent failure rate of a contraceptive is computed from the fact that 100 couples using

this method, having intercourse once, would produce one baby nine months later, right? 100 uses producing one failure would seem to me the way you arrive at a one-percent failure rate, but I don't know enough about research methods and terminology -- maybe the pharmaceutical companies use a year as a base-time-period?

I can see why FireMedicDave fights me on using the example of one couple having sex 100 times (he's concentrating on probabilities of one woman becoming pregnant and my real concern is actual effectiveness of the contraceptive in a wide population of real couples).

A one percent per year failure rate would be so phenomenally wonderful if we could achieve that in an easy-to-use easy-to-obtain device or pill. Hell, I'd happily settle for a one percent per use failure rate.

These people who think an "80% effective" contraceptive is "good" make me furious.

[Sal Minella]

98. CORRECTION from information on websites supplied by Dora:

One pregnancy per year in a group of 100 women consistently using the same method yields a one percent failure rate.

[steelyboo]

93. Your attitude alone should be contraceptive enough.

[Sal Minella]

95. It wasn't. Not for him. nt

[Threedifferentones]

99. So what are you claiming?

That big pharma has a way to 100% eliminate pregnancies, but hasn't released it, and that they had to work really, really hard to give men boners 100% of the time? Because they like men so much better?

If someone could invent a perfect birth control method they would and they'd sell the shit out of it. The original Viagra was an accidental discovery, I thought everyone knew that.

Of course more needs to be done to make birth control readily available to EVERY woman, and this abstinence only BS needs to be done away with it because it hurts women more than men. But, you seem to be suggesting that men have deliberately focused on making medicines for erections and not on preventing pregnancies, which is ludicrous.

People just have not found out how to prevent pregnancy 100% of the time, that's why we have abortions.

[MattBaggins]

73. Holy shit, twice a week?

What's the chance on twice a year?

[Dora]

78. BULLSHIT: Your post is full of misinformation and offends me as a woman.

I have never heard of a BCP being 80% effective at contraception, and I ask you to provide the evidence of that claim.

Please educate yourself about efficacy rates of contraception. Here's a start: http://healthcenter.ucdavis.edu/topics/contraception/efficacy.html
http://www.womentowomen.com/sexualityandfertility/birthcontrolmethods.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_methods#Effectiveness_of_various_methods

Contraception works. It may not work all the time, but most of the time it works and it works well. Don't mix your OPINIONS or your untested IDEAS with FACTS.

I used the BCP from the age of 19 until I was 33. I was not good about taking my pill every day, and I know I was fortunate not to get pregnant. Some women can't take BCP because of adverse reactions. Some women have to rely on condoms and pay close attention to their ovulation cycle. I currently use a Mirena IUD and IT WORKS.

As well, what does the specter of rape have to do with anything? Pah.

I sincerely hope you don't get to share your ill-informed, wrong-minded and outright damaging opinions of birth control with any young women who need reliable information about their health.



edited to add links

[Sal Minella]

81. I didn't mean to imply that I believe ALL birth control methods to be only 80% effective.

Thank you for the links. You will note (in your first link) that the sponge has a 20% failure rate in "Perfect" use. This is the sort of thing I was trying to talk about. I believe pharmaceutical companies should not be marketing a "birth control" device that has a 20-30 percent failure rate -- but some women are desperate enough (can't take pill, can't tolerate IUD) -- to risk it. All I'm trying to say is, we need better BC.

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I believe no BC is more than 80% effective. I know many are.

It's precisely the "most of the time it works" part that bothers me, though, you see?

I'm glad your IUD works for you. But some women have conceived with IUD in place. (I note your Mirena takes five years to result in one pregnancy in 100 women -- exceedingly good!)

The only BC advice I would give any woman is to watch out for "Natural family planning" or "The Rhythm Method" as recommended by the Catholic Church -- I had three babies in less than four years using "Natural Family Planning" faithfully.

==========================
As well, what does the specter of rape have to do with anything?
==========================
Rapes sometimes cause pregnancies -- In my opinion (it is opinion only) most rapists would refuse to cooperate when a woman says, "Could you give me a couple of minutes to put in my diaphragm?" A raped woman has enough to contend with, without dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, imo. So ideally, a BC product would protect against unwanted pregnancy 100% of the time.

[Dora]

82. Do you think that a contraceptive method that is 80% effective should not be used?

I, for one, think that's a laughable notion. As well, drug companies market all kinds of drugs with lower efficacy rates for other conditions ranging from acid indigestion to cancer. It's the "most of the time it works" that is EXACTLY SO RIGHT about birth control methods.

The idea that a woman is going to ask a rapist for permission to put in her diaphragm is equally ludicrous - because doing so will imply consent to coitus, which would subsequently destroy any criminal charges.

You say you had three babies - are you a mother, or a father?

[Sal Minella]

86. Obviously, a method only 80% effective should be used in tandem with some other method.

"Acid indigestion" doesn't result in having a sixth child when you can afford only three.

My illustration of Rape-As-Pregnancy-Inducer was intended to be ludicrous.
You seemed unable to see the need for 100% BC 100% of the time, and that was my absurd illustration.

[Dora]

92. What you said: "none of them work worth a damn." Hyperbolic, and false.

In my opinion, an 80% efficacy rate is pretty decently effective. No, it's not a guarantee, but it's a far sight better than no method at all. You seem to be arguing the "all or nothing" stance, which just isn't helpful in a dialogue about contraception. Which this thread isn't.

It's a thread about ED and the cost of viagra. You raised the inequities and ineffectiveness (of birth control as a relevant consideration. I agree with you that we need more contraceptive alternatives for men. However, the lack of alternatives for men does not have any bearing on the bounty of choices available to women. As well, neither of these have jackdiddly to do with the price of Viagra for a man who wants to get it on with his wife but can't afford it.

If your daughter came to you and said she was going to have sex with her boyfriend but needed birth control - and all you had to offer her was a sponge - would you deny it to her on the grounds that it's only 80% effective?

[Sal Minella]

97. In Post #17, the poster said the world would be awash in "cheap generic boner meds"

when the patent runs out in a few years, and I said we're still waiting for a cheap dependable contraceptive for women. kay? And then someone else brought up the insurance angle.

Yes I went off topic. kay? Someone will no doubt show up at my house and shoot me, and I truly do deserve it. And while we're waiting for the knock on the door, here's some more off-topic fodder:

I think it's absurd that men can get such cheap boner pills (and insurance will pay for them because reduction of erectile frequency after 17 is a "dysfunction") while women must pay out of pocket (usually) for expensive contraceptives that are less than 100% dependable.

If you are happy with an 80%-dependable contraceptive, I am glad for you, and you have many, many, many options to choose from.

My daughter's BC is her business, and if she asked me any questions I would advise her to consult Planned Parenthood or someone with facts and recent statistics at hand. The websites you listed are good ones, looks like.

As I said earlier, I wouldn't presume to advise any individual on any aspect of birth control except to offer the information that the "Catholic Family Planning" method got me three babies inside of four years.

If men suddenly started getting pregnant, their interest in effective contraceptives would just zoom off the chart, don't you think? Meanwhile, their interest in good affordable contraception is about as great as my interest in reducing the price of boner pills.

[Dora]

100. My point is that we do have cheap dependable contraception for women.

There are many generic BCP formulations available. Doctors, however, tend to prescribe newer formulations because of advancement in the understanding of how hormone therapy affects a woman's cycle and physiology. The very first BCPs had significantly higher doses of hormones in comparison with some of the options available today.

20 years ago I was uninsured and using Planned Parenthood as my only medical care provider. I purchased my pills through them for only $13 a month. 10 years later, I paid $10 per month at the university pharmacy. Four years ago, with my insurance, the cost of my IUD and insertion was $0 to me, as contraception (devices and surgery, not prescription drugs) is fully covered under my plan.

I am in full agreement with you that Big Pharma would be more interested in BC if men could get pregnant. I also agree that if insurance is willing to pay for ED drugs, then they should also cover the cost of BCP and other contraceptive methods. Medicaid covers Viagra, yes, and they also will pay for generic BCP. And when Viagra does go generic, you can safely bet that Medicaid will stop paying for the brand name.

For occasional use, say for a woman who isn't sexually active and decides to have a one-nighter, 80% is a decent rate of efficacy. I would never recommend the sponge to someone who is sexually active, and in my opinion, having sex once or twice a month warrants more reliable methods. Different methods of BC are suitable for different situations.

There are not "many many many options to choose from" when it comes to finding a contraceptive that's 80% effective - there's one, and that's the sponge. It's generalizations like this that you've peppered your posts with that I find so unhelpful to dialogue about women's reproductive health.

You had bad luck with the rhythm method - not surprising, many do. Some women do very well with it, others don't. Just like some women do very well with the BCP, and others don't.

Please don't let your outrage or sense of injustice about ED drugs color your opinions about the myriad birth control options available to women.

[Sal Minella]

101. I do hope you realize how EXCEEDINGLY FORTUNATE you are???

=========================
with my insurance, the cost of my IUD and insertion was $0 to me, as contraception ... is fully covered under my plan.
=========================

[Dora]

102. I am fortunate, yes. Shove your "exceedingly."

Did you miss the part where I said I went for years without insurance? I had an emergency appendectomy and three days in the hospital without insurance. Please don't divert this discussion into some kind of criticism of me simply because I happen to have a job right now with health benefits. There is nothing "exceedingly" fortunate about having insurance with reasonable coverage. I have had wonderful good fortune in my life, yes, but I am not a bad person because I've had moments of good fortune while others have not. That's the roll of the dice. I am who I am, I've been what I've been, and my life is no one else's.

I find your continued use of hyperbole appalling, please stop. We have a fucked up health system in this country, and pitting the uninsured against the insured is senseless.

If I was to take the BCP, I would pay anywhere from $10-$45 per month depending on the brand. My IUD was free. Drugs are not. I said that in my post. I could have chosen not to have the IUD and stuck with the BCP, I did not. And right now, with myself being the sole wage earner for our household at $36K, I count my blessings daily that the cars are paid off and that I don't have to decide whether this month I can afford my birth control pills.

I'm done with you.

[Sal Minella]

106. Ye gods, there was no "criticism" implied! I give up.

=======================
"Please don't divert this discussion into some kind of criticism of me simply because I happen to have a job right now with health benefits."
=======================
All I had in mind was the cost+dependability of your present BC compared to what's available to countless other women. I am glad for you.

This is not a criticism. This is not hyperbole.
I will do you a favor now and disappear. *poof* (That was hyperbole).

[dysfunctional press]

85. what about ru-486, or other "morning after" pills...?

what is their effective rate?

i chose vasectomization awhile back, so contraceptives are not really a concern of mine.

[Sal Minella]

88. "Morning after" pills are actually high-dose BC pills that fool the fertilized egg

(if there is one) into not implanting in the uterine lining, because it reads the chemistry in the uterus as already containing an implanted early embryo. Non-Catholic hospitals routinely give morning-after pills as part of rape treatment.

RU-486 is an abortion pill, taken after the woman realizes she is pregnant.

Preventing the sperm from reaching the egg in the first place is more acceptable to most religious folks than either of the above, and I believe your choice is the champ in that field.

[jmowreader]

90. Kinda off rant, but...

Surgeons have rediscovered just how good leeches can be. They are good for a large number of circulatory disorders--leech saliva thins the blood in the area of the leech bite.

[Sal Minella]

94. Yes, and maggots are being used again to debride necrotic wounds, but mentioning

things like this cause such an overwhelming "ewwww" response on DU I never mention them.

I've seen photos of leeches used to reduce swelling following re-attachment of fingers. It works. OTOH there have been some newer developments in medicine, too.....:)

[Occam Bandage]

39. We have many contraceptives, and many more are in development.

I'm not sure where the claim that it's "not being considered a health issue" comes from.

[Sal Minella]

52. I should have said, "Not being considered a quality-of-life issue."

The government will pay for pills for a 70-year old guy who thinks that he should still be able to hump like a 17-year old.

What about the quality-of-life issue of a woman whose body and/or mental resilience and/or economic status just can't take any more children? This isn't a "quality of life" issue? This isn't "a health issue?" Not even to mention the health and welfare of the children she already has.

Men should have free boner pills so they can live longer, but women don't deserve 100% protection against unexpected pregnancies that shorten/distort/shatter their lives??? Does this make any kind of sense???

[tabbycat31]

60. applause

[Triana]

43. What Sal Minella said - EXACTLY! n/t

[Mad_Dem_X]

61. Perfect response!

While we women struggle to get our health insurance to pay for birth control, you won't find me crying any tears over the cost of boner pills!

[EstimatedProphet]

83. That explains why the world is supposed to end in 2012.

[Missy Vixen]

46. Oh, really?

>Boner pills are a luxury, IMHO.

Got Type II diabetes or one of a host of other illnesses that causes impotence in men? You wouldn't think it was quite so much of a "luxury" then.

[PBS Poll-435]

47. Well, then again, I am not 300 lbs.

And I only brought weight into it, because you said this, "You wouldn't think it was quite so much of a "luxury" then."


I would much prefer that the people that actually need help (HIV/AIDS, Cancer, AutoImmune diseases.)

If you are too *** to ****, then you probably shouldn't anyway.

[Missy Vixen]

63. How did you make the leap to weight from what I had to say,

other than it being yet another random fat slam? I hate to break it to you, brainiac, but not everyone with Type II diabetes is fat.

>I would much prefer that the people that actually need help (HIV/AIDS, Cancer, AutoImmune diseases.)

Oh. I see. It doesn't affect YOU, therefore, it doesn't exist.
The pharmaceutical industry has paid plenty of attention to the above diseases. I read some research findings as late as last week that part of the problem with an AIDS vaccine is the fact that the disease mutates in every body, therefore, it's hard to combat.

>If you are too *** to ****, then you probably shouldn't anyway.

You actually meant "if you are too old to fuck, then you probably shouldn't anyway"?

How old are you?

Do you realize that men in their 40's suffer from this disease? So, in other words, they're just too "old", and don't deserve to have any kind of sex life with their spouse or partner?

What color is the sky in your world?

[PBS Poll-435]

64. The majority of Type II Diabetes cases are caused by obesity

When a modified diet, exercise, and even gastric bypass surgery are treatment options for Type II, then...


And btw, the "***" was fat.

[Missy Vixen]

65. You might want to talk to guys in the software industry

My husband's former co-workers were normal weight and turning up Type II with alarming regularity.

In the meantime, you're more interested in playing games than actually discussing my response to you, so I'm done.

Enjoy yourself.

[PBS Poll-435]

68. I thought I did discuss your response

:shrug:


Type II Diabetes is caused, the majority of the time, by poor diet and a sedentary lifestyle.

And, again, I never brought up age, only obesity. You concluded, wrongly, that I was implying age.



And I personally believe that people of all ages & shapes should be able to have sexual relations if that is their prerogative, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there should be a cost for medications, etc.

[LeftyFingerPop]

91. I was diagnosed in 1995 when I was a runner and a gym rat and I weighed...

175 pounds and was solid as a rock.

My diabetes is highly genetic, as are MANY cases of type II.

Take your head out of your ass and think before you post like you are an expert on something.

[MattBaggins]

74. People with HIV

should stop ****ing each other in the *** by your logic.

[rug]

2. Something has to prop up the economy.

[Hanse]

3. And the price of cherry coke down at the cineplex is even more expensive.

...than it was ten years ago.

If you've got a point, it was lost on me.

[Occam Bandage]

4. Protected intellectual property is immune to market forces. Patents are granted for that purpose,

and for that explicit purpose.

[PBS Poll-435]

6. Why you gotta be so hard on

The OP?


Pfizer's worldwide patents on sildenafil citrate will expire in 2011–2013.

[Occam Bandage]

7. I guess I've just got an inflated

sense of self worth.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. Speaking of "inflated,"

Medicare covers this!

http://tinyurl.com/cqlx9e

[Occam Bandage]

12. "One book, entitled 'Medicare-covered Penis Pumps and Me: This Sort Of Thing Is My Bag, Baby.'"

[Tangerine LaBamba]

15. I've seen TV commercials

for this product, or something like it. And the voice-over makes the point that "Your order is delivered in a discreet package."

I guess that pretty much rules out the big, dirty photo on the outside, huh?

[Occam Bandage]

24. If I sold those, I would advertise them as being shipped in a discreet package.

Then, I would ship them in a three foot by three foot by three foot day-glo orange box with "PENIS PUMP" written in enormous font on every side.

[Orrex]

27. 'Your package is delivered in discrete order.'

Now that would be a disclaimer worth reading.

[originalpckelly]

59. Intellectual property should follow the Dolby model.

Dolby doesn't make any actual products, but it holds many patents. It's licensing method allow a free market to exist, and gives them less BS to deal with and focus on being a research company.

The old way of doing patents is abhorrent to those who want free markets, and is a clearly dated business technique/

[Orrex]

8. Curiously, Matchbox cars cost the same $0.97 that they cost in 1982

[Occam Bandage]

11. Pfft. Matchbox cars are for wimps. Hot Wheels have all the rad designs.

"Ooh, look at me, I have a toy Toyota Civic!" Yeah, way to play suburban housewife, Billy. I've got a metallic-green twin-pod Razorizer car.

[Orrex]

14. Clearly, you're using Hot Wheels to compensate for something

Though, since both companies have been gobbled up by Mattel, the distinction is academic, you stupid poopy head.

[Occam Bandage]

21. Yeah. To compensate for how lame Matchbox cars are by comparison!

Seriously, though, I was toy shopping recently, and saw that Matchbox cars were all realistic, miniature versions of actual cars, and Hot Wheels were all bizarre cars that shined all metallic and were apparently designed through a process by which random shapes and parts were thrown together. I wonder which outsells the other. Does the fun of a small version of a real car outweigh the fun of a crazy, impossible design? Or vice versa?

[Orrex]

26. Can't guess about the market in general, but...

My two sons greatly prefer the "realistic" cars over the wildly tricked-out Hot Wheels stuff.

For some reason, Hot Wheels does produce a small number of cars based on real designs, so that must mean something. Also, a lot of the other brands (Johnny Lightning, Maisto, etc.) are likewise based on actual cars, especially vintage models.

[emilyg]

16. Hey - I love my Toyota MR-2

p.s. - the bigger one got totalled.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

18. Listen, hon.........

Not to go all Freudian on you, but there's this pump .................

[Ex Lurker]

22. Hot wheels used to be metal. Now they're plastic n/t

[Lost in CT]

13. Christ it's only $8 bucks... I tip more than that... nt

[uppityperson]

67. I am sure there is some sort of bad sex joke waiting in reply to you, but I'm too tired to figure it

out.

[dana_b]

19. right. and I heard on Democracy Now last night that

the price of some short term chemo meds have gone up over 600% within one year.

Can't get an erection? Here's a cheap pill. Have cancer? too bad if you can't afford it!! priorities.. priorities..

[Double T]

20. I'll bet there was a time when men with ED would have said "Damn, I'd give anything........

if I could just have an erection". Big Pharma never forgot.....ca-ching, ca-ching.

[PBS Poll-435]

23. I love that Viagra was discovered "accidentally"

It was originally studied to correct angina.

[Occam Bandage]

25. And it certainly does. Oh, wait.

[PBS Poll-435]

28. !

[Tangerine LaBamba]

32. Once, when our kids were little,

their father ran over their Slinky while mowing the front lawn.

You really cannot imagine ..........................

[PBS Poll-435]

36. Uh Oh

What happened?


And was it plastic or metal?


(risk of Slinky Shrapnel®)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

38. What happened?

Well, the sound - a truly remarkable sound I don't think I've ever heard anywhere else - almost, for a second, detracted from the flying metal shards. The sounds of them hitting the house was really louder than I would have expected, given that the mower was still running, but just for a minute.

After that, the screamed curses coming from my then-husband were so enthusiastic, I made it a big deal to corral the kids in the house and explain "shrapnel" to them. They were very interested, and then, of course, asked if they were getting another Slinky. I assured them they would, but not for a while.

And they did. Every once in a while, one of them would say, "Let's put this outside." Funny kids who grew up to be very nice and funny adults.........................

[PBS Poll-435]

40. Wow

A powerful lesson.


At least they got another... ;-)

[Double T]

29. Viagra costs as much as Post-It notes, which were also discovered 'accidentally'..

Accidents can be VERY COSTLY.

[PBS Poll-435]

31. The adheisive on the Post-Its doesn't last forever either.

Just sayin'.

[uppityperson]

69. Neither do the viagra induced erections. Or, if they do, go to the ER immediately.

just sayin'

[mrs_p]

30. birth control for women still more expensive for many

if not covered by health insurance.

[Triana]

44. Mostly it isn't covered by health insurance. n/t

[Sal Minella]

56. Didn't O'Reilly say that pregnancy is "a normal condition" and therefore

pregnancy prevention shouldn't be covered by health insurance?

I can't believe how dense most men are in these matters. Most of them can't think more than ten minutes ahead.

[Triana]

62. well - swollen heads are normal conditions for many men too, so ..

....viagra doesn't need to be covered by health insurance. In fact, they don't need it at all.

:evilgrin:

Really though, all this is just a fact of patriarchy - the men run things - so THEIR needs are covered. Anyone else's are just - not important.

[grantcart]

37. reading your title I thought that certainly it was going to be about seeing a Dr. after a

10 year erection.

[jkshaw]

45. Ha! So did I!

[Donnachaidh]

41. oh boo freaking hoo

And a hemophiliac pays $1,000 per dose for factor. Same price as 10 years ago. Probably the same price 20 years ago.

Considering the estimate of 50% of the viagra market is for recreational use, you're getting off cheap. Pun intended. :sarcasm:

[uppityperson]

70. Still a thousand? Is it made in labs yet or still from human

serum factors? Serious question, if you know the answer. Thanks.

[ellisD]

42. Must be nice to have so few real problems

in your life your biggest worry is the steady cost of Viagra....

Besides when you consider an $8 pill can give you a 3 hour erection, $2.66/hour of erection aint bad

[lame54]

51. You're support to call a Dr. after 4 HOURS not 10 YEARS

[ProgressiveFool]

89. doh, beat me to it /nt

[FedUpWithIt All]

57. I see that this issue does not bring up a lot of sensitivity among those of us who are easily able

to have and enjoy sex.

I am sorry that something which is free and easy for myself is difficult for others. Sex is such a large part of who/what we are. It has strong ties to our mental and physical health and can greatly affect self esteem and the health of relationships (and all of the other relationships which are affected by the health of the main).

I am grateful that strides have been made in this area because it can help good people live fuller and more rewarding and contended lives. I would be MORE grateful if more strides were made to provide women with a healthy sex experience free of worry and stress.

While i disagree with the tone many are responding with i understand some of the arguments regarding birth control. But it does not need to take away from the point of the OP.

Pharm are criminal in the costs they charge for needed meds.

I have a brother who is 10's of thousands in debt (he is mid 20's) due to his required seizure meds and medical care. Family members have had to pay for necessary pills at over $100 a pop. It is criminal.

[Apollo11]

105. If only the federal government could provide us all with willing partners

I have always seen sex as a luxury, rather than a right.

Whether I have been married or not, it takes two to tango.

If I cannot find a partner who is interested in doing it with me, my options are limited.

What's that Woody Allen quote?

"Don't knock masturbation — it's sex with someone I love."

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

58. Well, if you take inflation into consideration, the price has gone down a bit since then.

Although in practical, every-day accounting terms you are correct.

I'm sure the patent will end soon.

[bridgit]

75. These days if a product stays the same price as 10 years ago that *is* considered...

a reduction in price, if ED wasn't such a big fucking deal the price would have actually gone down by now (no pun intended) but noooooo! We all have to pay cause some dudes want to toss a football through a tire on a rope and help crash the economy unbeknowest

[leftofthedial]

76. BJs cost more now than they did 30 years ago.

[Uncle Joe]

77. I've heard high blood pressure may have an adverse effect

on having erections.

If you have high blood pressure, maybe that's the cause of the lack of effect or vice versa or something like that.

At any rate maybe regular exercise, walking if nothing else and lots of veggies (non-fried) might aid in this endeavor.

[Spike89]

79. Contraception and ED barely tied together

There can be a good debate on contraception, but why tie it to cures for ED? I know, both are sex related, and I guess it is good for pointing out perceived biases in treatments for men and women. However, Viagra and the other "boner" pills don't have more than a placebo effect on young men (in general)--they are overwhelming for use by older men, and most likely not commonly used as a means to impregnate their partners (especially if the partner is hoping to avoid pregnancy).

The link simply isn't strong except as a device to shift the debate.

[Eryemil]

80. I love the sound of whining the privileged in the morning n|t

[dysfunctional press]

84. why would the price go down when people will apparently gladly pay $8 per boner?

:shrug:
i've never tried any of them, as i'm prone to migraines, and when the possible side-effects of something includes headaches- i take a pass.

[Apollo11]

104. Good point

The price is what the market will bear. It's a line in the Coen Brothers movie: "Raising Arizona"

In a market economy, the price of something has not much to do with what it is actually "worth"

If enough people are ready to pay $200 to see a Michael Jackson concert, that is what the tickets will cost.

[ProgressiveFool]

87. You're supposed to see a doctor after 4 hours, much less 10 years! /nt