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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:29 AM
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Mystery solved as tests prove Tsar's entire family was murdered
Source: Independent UK
Steve Connor, Science Editor


No Tsar or tsarina in this photo, but they were there too


In the early hours of a July day in 1918, one of history's most infamous murders was perpetrated on parents, their five children and their loyal servants in a cellar in the city of Yekaterinburg, central Russia.

The gunshot-and-bayonet murder of the Romanovs – the family of the last Tsar and Tsarina of Russia – spawned countless conspiracy theories, including the belief that at least one child had survived to escape abroad.

Since that fatal dawn, about 200 people have claimed to descend from one or other of the Romanovs who had somehow survived the slaughter in the basement of Ipatiev House. But now a scientific study based on meticulous DNA evidence has finally provided irrefutable evidence to show that all five children had indeed perished with their parents at the hands of nervous Bolsheviks of the Ural Soviet, worried about a possible rescue bid by nearby White Russian troops.

Scientists have pieced together DNA evidence from two graves near Yekaterinburg and have conclusively shown that Tsar Nicholas II and his wife, the Tsarina Alexandra, died with all five of their children, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia and their haemophiliac son, the crown prince, Alexei. The only remaining mystery is whether the girl buried alongside Alexei in a separate grave from the rest of the family was Maria or Anastasia, says a study printed in the online journal Public Library of Science.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mystery-solved-as-tests-prove-tsars-entire-family-was-murdered-1642089.html

I thought this had previously been determined...

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:31 AM
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1. I thought I heard or read that Anastasia's remains had been ID'd
as well. Which made it a little tricky for a lady in NY who had claimed to be her and who was living very comfortably at the time. Maybe mid 80s or so?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:36 AM
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4. the lady who turned out to be Polish, gaahhh cannot remember her name. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:38 AM
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5. I don't remember a single detail except maybe that her DNA didn't match?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:42 AM
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6. That was an awesome story. I so wanted it to be real.
Name the future Russian leader who was rumored to have been there?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:49 AM
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9. Stalin? Khruschev? Tony Danza?
:)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:39 PM
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17. Geshundeit. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:32 AM
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2. Thank you for this clarification! I've always wondered.
:fistbump:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:34 AM
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3. My children are from Yekaterinburg and I've been to the site of that execution. There is a cathedral
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 12:41 AM by Bread and Circus
built on the site. Our interpreter told us they call is the "Cathedral of the Blood". The building that was there at the time of hte executions is now gone.

It's a beautiful cathethdral (Russian Orthodox) and there's a lot of amazing architecture in the city.

However, the Soviet era was aweful and most architecture from that period is horrendous, if not inhuman.

Russian people are pretty stalwart, industrious. The women are beautiful there as well.

Statue of family at cathedral:

Cathedral of the Blood:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:49 AM
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8. Did you take those photos? You need to be posting in the Photo forum!
:thumbsup:
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:45 AM
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7. You mean that Don Bleuth cartoon lied to me?
My whole world is crumbling.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:03 AM
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14. All dogs DON'T go to heaven, either
And obviously, our streets are not paved with cheese.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 12:51 AM
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10. The Bolsheviks dealt with 'royalty' properly, imho.
The very notion of 'royalty' is an abomination.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:04 AM
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11. Killing small children is appropriate? And then leading to a century of conditions
that were harsh and unfavorable?

To me, it seems the Bolsheviks just replaced one form of tyranny with another. And not of it justifies murdering children.

Did you really mean to imply killing children like that is ok?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:28 AM
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12. I sure hope you don't think as fallaciously as you post.
I think I expressed myself fairly clearly. :shrug:

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:58 AM
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13. Well then it sounds like you agree with the taking of the last Tsar's children
into a basement and then executing them. That's a pretty shitty attitude imho.

Or am I in some weird TahitiNut land where a poster says one thing but means another?
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DrCory Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:04 AM
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16. You Sure Did...
And your post can be read to suggest that killing children of certain class background/origin is justified.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:13 AM
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15. I thought what happened to the Old Bolsheviks was karma
in action.

Long live H.M. the Emperor!
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