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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:04 PM
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Michelle's sleeveless dresses -- the start of a new culture war?
Many wingnuts have gone off the deep end over Michelle Obama wearing sleeveless dresses and displaying her well sculpted arms.

"Oh my God. The horror. The horror. The First lady has no sleeves and is in great shape."

One can't help but wonder if the wingnuts would be throwing such a fit over this if Laura Bush had worked out and worn sleeveless dresses. (Oh yeah, I forgot. Laura is white.)

Michelle and Barack Obama will be attacked in ways that haven't even occurred to us yet. This "sleeveless, muscular arms" bullshit coming from the wingnuts is just the beginning. They have no shame or conscience, and I for one, question their humanity.

In the meantime, I just absolutely love our First Lady. Let's all protect her anytime some wingnut lunatic launches an attack against her. I've already told one acquaintance who bad-mouthed her to screw off and lose my number.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:05 PM
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1. Nah. Possibly the start of a new *stupid* war, however.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:06 PM
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2. Jackie Kennedy used to wear sleeveless dresses frequently, and
few would dare say she wasn't appropriately dressed. In fact, she changed the way American women dressed, and it was a change for the better.

Really, Laura Bush would be the first to tell you there's just so much you can do with a wardrobe full of Lerner's polyester pant suits.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:09 PM
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3. It must suck to keep having to re-hang your livingroom drapes.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 01:09 PM by EFerrari
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:10 PM
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5. Or reupholster the couches...
:spank:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:19 PM
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10. Jackie wore them in the summer.
I haven't seen a photo of Jackie in sleeveless unless it is evening wear or summertime.

That is the distinction lost here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:22 PM
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14. It was colder in the sixties.
lol
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:18 PM
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25. did she wear jackets or sweaters in cooler weather? A lot of women wear sleeveless
blouses under jackets and sweaters.


In fact, I'm doing just that today!

(and I have my pearls on, too!)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:18 PM
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26. They usually had jackets. Correige - I can't spell it - was big on matching jackets.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 02:20 PM by Captain Hilts
I don't think bare arms have ever been seen at the State of the Union.

Not bad, just a surprise. On a COLD night too!

Folks, it's not about race this time. Really.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:46 PM
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113. You might want to rethink that...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:39 PM
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33. Distinction?
that's from the "no white shoes after labor day" time.

it has long since passed.

No distinction necessary. If it looks good, WEAR IT.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:41 PM
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35. Umm, the 60s have ended. (and for most of us, so have the styles)
:eyes:


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:10 PM
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44. Not true. She wore one to a State of the Union address,
just like Michelle was criticized for. Other ladies in the audience were wearing coats and even furs, though there was another woman in the front row also wearing a sleeveless dress. I saw the picture somewhere just last week.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:13 PM
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46. Picture: Jackie Kennedy, sleeveless at the State of the Union address.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 03:15 PM by DevonRex
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xenussister Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:16 PM
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48. Here's a picture of Jack sleeveless in winter
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid={25A7E78E-D7BC-4C30-970C-A5812B7C0601}

It may not be winter, exactly, but most of the other women look like they're dressed for cold weather.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:21 PM
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52. That photo was from January 1963 which is definitely winter.
And it was from the same event for which Michelle was criticized for wearing sleeveless.
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xenussister Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:05 PM
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99. Of course, I meant Jackie. It's a color version of the one DevonRex posted.
Thanks for confirming that it was a SOTU address.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:32 PM
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59. And, I ask..so the fuck
what?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:34 PM
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60. And, it ain't even true. See above links for Jackie at the SOU in 1963.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:59 PM
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67. (facepalm)
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:10 PM
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4. I thought it said 'Michael Steele's sleeveless dresses!'
I was just reading something on MSNBC and then I saw this! LOL!
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:43 PM
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37. Very bad imagery
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:56 PM
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96. I actually thought the exact same thing but
there was no other mention of Steele, not on TV or anywhere. What does that say about me?! :-)
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:11 PM
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6. Are you serious?
Is that really what they've sunk to attacking now? Where have you seen this?
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:20 PM
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13. Wish I'd made a list. I've read so many references to this over the
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 01:21 PM by Cyrano
past two weeks that I just can't provide a link.

I've also heard some TV wingnut reference it, but I changed the channel so quickly I couldn't catch her name.

I do remember that MoDo made a reference to Michelle's muscles in her column last Sunday in the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1

The best line she had was that Michelle looked like she could easily wind up and punch out Limbaugh.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:26 PM
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16. I think the Huffington Post is keep ing a running tally on the stories...
Just do a search of Michelle Obama on their site.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:02 PM
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21. Wow, I can't believe how low they've sunk.
The funny thing about it is I think Michelle Obama pulls off sleeveless remarkably well. On the plus side, I can't imagine this will do anything more than even further marginalizing the republican party. Just shows how incredibly sick and petty they are.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:11 PM
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7. She's a "Hussy."
Whatever the Hell that is.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:14 PM
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8. If wingnuts want to go after Michelle, let them. That is lose-lose for them.
Seriously, she's more popular than her husband! If the GOP wants to go there, fine, they'll start alienating the 30%s at that point. Welcome to has-been status GOP,
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:15 PM
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9. The best comment I have used, is...
to look at them with a shocked and questioning expression and say, "You're kidding, right?"

That shuts them up and shames them at the same time.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:20 PM
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12. Sleeveless dresses and blouses - I stopped wearing them 20 years ago!!!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:20 PM
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11. it is hardly a precedent - Jackie was often photographed in sleeveless dresses
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:32 PM
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31. yes, summer dresses
If you'll look carefully, you'll see the distinction. Summer dresses and evening wear, okay.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:15 PM
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47. Not just summer. Here's a photo from the 1963 State of the Union
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xenussister Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:19 PM
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101. Thank you for that link DrDan. So many great pictures of Jackie.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 06:21 PM by xenussister
Such wonderful pictures, and I hadn't seen most of them.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:22 PM
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15. It's a modesty thing
The born-agains and Mormons seem to feel that shoulders are naughty, hence the "modest" prom-dress and wedding-dress industry:

http://www.modestprom.com/
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:15 PM
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87. *gasp* Next thing you know, she'll be baring her ankles!!elevens11
I would love to see all those fundies clothed head to toe in the dead of summer, wouldn't you?
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:28 PM
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17. Maureen Dowd wrote a whole column about her bare arms.
Personally, I cringed when I saw her in the sleeveless dress at the address to Congress. Maybe I'm hopelessly old fashioned but I thought that a beautiful suit would have been more appropriate. And I am definitely not a wing nut.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:36 PM
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18. As Max Bialystock said in "The Producers," "If you've got it, flaunt it."
But on a more serious note, Michelle might just kick off a wide-spread desire for physical health and fitness. What would be so bad about that?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:21 PM
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28. My same, take. She looked great, but I think a jacket over it would have been appropriate.
And I like her in purple.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:45 PM
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75. That dress cried out to me saying, "I need a matching jacket!"
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 04:46 PM by amandabeech
I thought elbow length sleeves, cropped to the waist or above, charmeuse on the lapels, as the lining and trimming the sleeves, perhaps.

I thought that the charmeuse bodice of the dress made it look a little more like a gorgeous cocktail dress. Jackie's sleeveless looked to be a solid matte fabric with no trim. I think that was the difference for me.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:40 PM
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19. They are so jealous! It's jealousy. She looks FABULOUS and they can't stand it. nt
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sweetpotato Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:10 PM
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23. Jealousy is absolutely correct
petty, isn't it?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:48 PM
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20. People who even pay any attention to this
Are in their own star struck world , who the hell should even care what she wears or if it should even matter in the first place.

There are far too many pressing issues that any of this is complete none sense and insanity no matter how one goes about trying to justify it as important.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:23 PM
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29. It does matter what impression Michelle makes. She is the first lady and
the whole world watches what she does for Gosh sake. You may not like that but there it is. She has a certain responsibility to present our "best foot forward" so to speak.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:36 PM
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32. But who under the age of 70 gives a shit?
Nobody I know bristles at the thought of a First Lady in a sleeveless dress.


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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:42 PM
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36. Apparently some people from Mississippi.
:shrug:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:41 PM
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34. Some people will always insinuate that Michelle doesn't have the class to mix with polite society.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:48 PM
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38. I don't think that is what people mean and I know it is not what I mean.
I just think that, especially, since money is no object, a beautiful suit would be much more appropriate on these occasions. It is kind of like wearing sweats to the office.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:55 PM
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39. Who said "money is no object"???? And a classy, knee length silk sleeveless dress is hardly
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 02:55 PM by rvablue
"like wearing sweats to the office."

What century do you live in?? Do you and the gals get together for tea every afternoon donned in white gloves and bonnets, or something??

This is the most ridiculous thing I've read here in a while. Thanks for the laugh! :rofl:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:58 PM
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40. "Personally, I cringed when I saw her in the sleeveless dress at the address to Congress."
You meant what you said.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:06 PM
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42. So now you know better than I what I meant.
I'm outta here.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:13 PM
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45. Funny, no one thought that when Jackie Kennedy wore sleeveless in winter.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:18 PM
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50. Great minds think alike. And it took us, what? One minute to google it?
Yet some folks turn up their snooty noses and imply that Michelle doesn't know how to conduct herself in public.

This one really, REALLY pissed me off today.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:22 PM
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54. People pulled the same thing on the Clintons, promoting a "trailer trash"
image. The Bushes, by contrast, were the aristocracy.

It's disgusting.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:27 PM
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56. Yes, it is. As if Laura and Ma Bush are the last word on etiquette.
Hmmph. Babs is the last word on disgusting ethics if you ask me.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:18 PM
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49. Why not present our best arms forward?
I haven't seen any better.

I'm totally jealous.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:22 PM
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53. I'm jealous, too. They're slim and strong. Plus, mine are pasty white.
I have to sun in the back yard or put self tanning stuff on before I can go out in public in shorts or sleeveless tops.

So, as a slightly pudgy white woman, I can only dream of having those long, slim, beautiful mocha arms to show off. And you know what? It makes me happy to see her like that. I can live a bit vicariously through her and it gives me a tiny bit more incentive to work on my upper body. I think that's a good thing.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:27 PM
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55. Please give up on the sunning, fellow pasty-white. It's not worth it, in terms of
problems later -- trust me. (My younger brother's already had a skin cancer.)

But we can appreciate Michelle's beautiful skin, and work on toning our own arms, if not tanning them.

We are what we are.

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:32 PM
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58. *sigh* Do you mean I really have to grow up and accept reality? Dammit!!
Maybe in my next life I can come back as a beautiful, tall, slim mocha goddess. You know, the type that stays that way throughout life, instead of the beautiful early years fading into the matronly years. I'm valiantly staving off the Aunt Bea image but it's hard work. Dammit again.

:)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:41 PM
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62. Maybe the trick is to skip the beautiful early years,
so you'll never know what you were missing.

;)

Although, in retrospect, just about everyone is beautiful in the early years -- some just feel it more.

Here's a present for you -- maybe it will put things in better perspective. Think about Aunt Bea this way: she wasn't retouched.

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/03/09/opinion/1194838469575/sex-lies-and-photoshop.html#


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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:49 PM
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115. We can all get involved with some free weights.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:46 AM
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117. That's what I'm thinking. Start light, more reps. It'll be good for us.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:45 PM
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74. All it amounts too is a fashion statement
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 04:52 PM by blues90
I doubt if the whole world watches or cares. If you factor in the massess of the world most are too poor or beaten down to give a crap about clothing statements.

This high society bullshit needs to end someday and the sooner the better.

What really matters are policy not clothing or fashion which appears to be one of the all time american distractions.

Just looking at the OP here , during the primaries people from both sides could nat bash Hillary enough for her pants suits as if it mattered , this is just how insane this issue of fashion and clothes means.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:46 PM
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76. This day will go down in history. I agree with you.
:hi:
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:06 PM
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22. good grief
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:11 PM
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24. I hear she hangs with people whose parents visited
a nudist colony in 1974.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:19 PM
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27. What's wrong with sleeveless dresses now ?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:07 PM
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43. The fact that Mrs. Obama is wearing them.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:45 PM
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111. That is no problem at all.
She looks gorgeous in them. :) And last I heard, those dresses sell like hotcakes when she wears them. I love her style. I'm way too short to emulate it, though.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:29 PM
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30. She may have a very good reason for sleeveless dresses. She is in her
forties, and could well be subject to hot flashes. It's a lot better to be sleeveless than to rip off your clothes in public!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:19 PM
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51. I've thought that, too. If so, she's lucky she looks so gorgeous in them. n/t
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:02 PM
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41. I don't have a problem with her going sleeveless at all except,
for me, it just seems "seasonally inappropriate". It's a bit, well, WEIRD, for me to see it because I live in a place where winters are COLD and not only do I NEVER wear even short sleeves in the winter, but I will not allow my children to do so either. In the winter, we dress for the weather. I guess I just have that mindset from my childhood where you had to consider..."what if I'm on my way to school and the bus breaks down and we have to wait in the cold." Or, "what if my car breaks down, or I skid on the ice and end up in the ditch" or what have you. Even with a good winter coat on, if you have to be out for very long at all, you are in much better shape with warm clothes on underneath. Not to mention we keep our house a bit cooler than many do in the winter and I need the warmth!!

It does seem out of step with the weather/season, but I'm sure people all across the south go sleeveless in the winter - it's just a foreign concept to me! lol.

But DC is definitely warmer than where I live and the main point is if she is comfortable that way then who cares? She looks great!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:31 PM
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57. You haven't hit menopause yet. You might be reevaluating layers by then.
Another thing you might not realize is how incredibly overheated many buildings are in the east. My daughter really suffered from the winter heat -- when she was in college in Boston!
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:36 PM
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70. Oh absolutely! lol.
I'm sure when that "special time" hits, it will be different for me - although in winter, I still think it's a good idea to layer. Just instead of a long sleeve top with a sweater or fleece over it, maybe a short sleeve or sleeveless underneath so you can take the top layer off if a flash of excess warmth occurs, lol. Or just lighter weight items.

I can also get very warm in some places in the winter too because as you say, some places heat more than what I am acclimated to. I do some subbing in our school and I never know how to dress because some of the classrooms are very warm and others are cold. :crazy:
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:40 PM
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61. What would they prefer?
Trailer park bat-wings?

You see those ladies on the national news, wearing short sleeves with their upper arms flapping in the breeze, saying "Why, that tornada come right through here and knocked over my double-wide!"
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AyanEva Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:42 PM
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63. I'm not saying obsess over fashion
but srsly, people whining about her sleeves (or lack thereof) being inappropriate need to get out more and maybe pick up a copy of Vogue. I don't even like Vogue but in this case, I think it would be therapeutic and help move people into the 21st Century a little faster.

I mean, honestly. Next thing you know, there will be a huge scandal the next time she wears a dress short enough to show some ankle. :wow:
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:51 PM
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64. Princess Di wore lots of sleeveless.

We're in a sixties/seventies fashion regurgitation period... (can't wait till we bring back the 80s full on. Blegh!)

That means sleeveless A-line dresses, etc will be around for awhile. Michelle is a little bit wider at the hips, and the sleeveless look off-sets that, as the eye goes to her upper body.

I can't remember a single thing Laura Bush ever wore, but find the fashion sense as exhibited by the late Lady Di and Jackie O, as well as Michelle Obama today, incredibly alluring and stylish. And memorable.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:55 PM
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65. Place and time. Place and time.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 04:00 PM by fed_up_mother
Michelle tends to wear sleeveless dresses in professional settings where other women are wearing more professional-type clothing. Look at her dress at the "state of the union" address. She looked gorgeous, but didn't appear dressed for the occasion. Her sleeveless outfit would have appeared more "the norm" at a White House luncheon.

However, she's not the professional, or is the role of "First Lady" considered a professional one?

I live in a hot, Gulf Coast climate, and even here, most women are wearing suits or outfits with sleeves in the summer for professional settings. (Although they may take off a jacket to reveal a sleeveless top at some point.) That's just the expected "professional" wardrobe.

Again, should we expect Michelle to abide by that type of standard? I'm kind of fifty-fifty on this one.

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:43 PM
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73. Picture of Jackie Kennedy at the State of the Union address, January 1963. Sleeveless.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 04:45 PM by DevonRex
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:49 PM
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78. I'll bet she has a jacket to that ensemble
somewhere there.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:50 PM
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79. I'll bet Michelle does, too.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:34 PM
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92. If she does, it's no more visible than Michelle's. n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:09 PM
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100. Yet somehow, for Jackie, it's "assumed." I guess if one begins with the premise that
a jacket is required in order to have taste and class, then of COURSE Jackie would have one and that OF COURSE Michelle would NOT. :eyes:

Well, I reject the premise to begin with, although common sense says that both women wore some sort of wrap to go out in January AND that said wrap was whisked away and carefully hung up in a coat closet.

And both women look absolutely lovely. They're young, fit and stylish in their photos. And they would naturally dress differently (yet just as appropriately) than, say, Barbara Bush did.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:01 PM
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80. And your point is....
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 05:06 PM by fed_up_mother
That if Jackie wore it, it's obviously standard attire? :) I'm sure that even the famed Jackie O made a few fashion faux pas in her time. :)

How many female lawyers argue in court in a sleeveless dress? It's just not done because a sleeveless dress doesn't carry the same "gravitas" as a suit or other more professional looking ensembles. A state of the union requires that kind of dress, imo.

KWIM? But is it something we should get our knickers in a twist over? I don't think so. :)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:04 PM
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83. So you're equating Michelle at teh SOU with a female attorney at work in court???
Now that is JUST silly.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:06 PM
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85. Not silly. Both are serious occasions where more professional dress is the norm.
Edited on Wed Mar-11-09 05:08 PM by fed_up_mother
However, deviating from the norm is not a damn crime!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:32 PM
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90. Who decreed that women can't wear sleeveless dresses and be professional?
Have you been in NYC lately?
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:35 PM
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93. NYC is not D.C.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:41 PM
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94. And Michelle is not the president.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:31 PM
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89. She's not the President. She's a First Lady, sitting in the audience.
She doesn't need to project the "gravitas" of a lawyer onstage in a courtroom.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:48 PM
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77. Be careful or you'll be accused of a whole litany of things:
being racist, being snooty or worst yet, being from Mississippi and having a thought on the subject.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:37 PM
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107. It is possible that the views from Mississippi aren't shared by most
of the rest of the U.S.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:48 AM
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118. I was born there nad still have family there. What you say is true.
Just visited in November. It's always a bit of a culture shock, going back to that very prim nad proper small town.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:34 PM
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123. Well the conservatives across the country probably
don't agree with the liberals in Mississippi but I would think that other liberals/progressives across the country do share the views of some Mississippians. "Being from Mississippi" is not a dirty phrase, I am proud to say. I'm afraid that someone is stereotyping.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:35 PM
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106. When she gets a salary for her work, then let's talk about her sleeves.
Until then, she's not a professional. She's the First Mom.

And we let our moms wear whatever they want.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 03:55 PM
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66. l've Said this Before and I'll Say it Again
Mrs. Obama should take one of those bare arms upside someone's head. How about Limbaugh, Coulter, Boehner, Cantor and Jindal in that order.

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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:00 PM
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68. I cannot BELIEVE we are still on this here
at DU.
On a repub site, I could see it, because they are looking for reasons to criticize. I don't think we should let them make this a focus. There are FAR more important things.

Having said that... I have to confess, she's driven me back to the weight room. And I WILL be flaunting arms very soon.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:03 PM
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69. Who gives a flying fuck what wingnuts think
about Michelle Obama.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:41 PM
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71. They're just jealous of her arms.
I know I am. Of course, my response is a little different. I say, good for her. I think it's great that she shows off her sculpted arms. I would too, if I had arms like that. She obviously works out so she's earned the right to show off her arms.

I think David Brooks in particular is jealous of her biceps. He's pretty heavy on the wimp factor. Men like that sometimes can't handle strong women.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 04:43 PM
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72. Maybe the building is overheated.
So that's why she's wearing a sleeveless (classy) dress in winter.

I think she looks fabulous.


They can go jump in the lake if they don't like it.

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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:03 PM
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81. People who give a fuck about First Lady fashion should be prevented from voting
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:58 PM
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97. Oh, tanngrisnir3. I am literally
laughing my ass off.

Your post deserved far more than a stupid ROTFLMAO.

And the reason is that you are so on target that I started laughing when I read it. I will be smiling for days. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:41 PM
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104. If I'd known you'd have been so pleased, I would have posted sooner!
You're welcome!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:05 PM
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98. Yep, that's the real culture war.
People who think women should be critiqued (positively or negatively) for their fashion, and those who think it's patriarchal crap.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:03 PM
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82. she looks great! I love it.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:06 PM
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84. Obviously, this marks the beginning of a new Arms Race. n/t
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:07 PM
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86. Haha Best answer!
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:33 PM
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91. Now that's funny.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:25 PM
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88. Michelle Obama is lovely
I would LOVE to have those arms. I have the dreaded "trailer park batwings", so I don't wear sleeveless anything.

Why are we letting the right-wing dictate the dialogue on this?
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 05:49 PM
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95. HEY! This is unconstitutional
What about the right to bare arms?!?!?
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:30 PM
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102. They're just jealous Michelle got her tickets
to the Gun Show! and brought her girlfriends Susan B Anthony and Sacagawea! and they've been drinking all day and are pumped up!
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 06:31 PM
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103. For all the non-fashionistas, clothes do matter.

No one remembers the walk-through Barrack had with what's his name, where they both wore the same suit color, and exact same tie? :)

It was meant to be a coddling thing for the public that no, no major upheavals and extra wars are gonna happen, will be a smooth turn-over. It was actually funny, because I doubt two women would agree to dressing like twins.

She's not proposing anything yet, as Hill did with Universal Health Care... in the meantime people will watch what she's wearing. People watch what Barrack's wearing too.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 07:48 PM
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105. Michelle's nude arms are beautiful!
I hope it starts a trend.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:37 PM
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108. They are just jealous because Pickles never had the biceps to pull the sleeveless look off
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:50 AM
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119. Hey Jenn! That Pickles nick always cracks me up.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:54 AM
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121. Hey! Michelle is such a welcome change from Pickles and her
dowdy suits.




Nope. no biceps.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:38 PM
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109. They have puny girly-mahn bodies and need the Gobernator to PUMP them up..
:rofl:

I think a lot of them suffer from bicep envy and need to start getting in a regular upper body workout at the old LA Fitness.

:rofl:

Perhaps they could start a special membership discount plan for weak and whiny Republicans...

www.lafitness.com

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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:42 PM
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110. If her arms "flapped" when she waved, THEN she shouldn't wear sleeveless.
These critics are clueless no-style clods. Michelle's arms are a "+", not a "-".
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:45 PM
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112. All these fashion critics make me so glad I live in the northwest.
I was at a shoe store with my then second grader, trying to pick out sneakers. He was mesmerized by all the choices. Trying to narrow it down, I said, "High tops? Or low tops?" He didn't answer. I tried again. "Well, what do your friends wear?"

He looked at me like I'd grown a second head. "Mom," he said, "NO one EVER notices what ANYONE ELSE wears!"

Alas, that's not true, even in Seattle. But I can say with complete confidence that NO real Democrat here cares a BIT whether Michelle wears sleeves or not.




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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:54 AM
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120. Same here in Colorado. As long as it's sufficiently dressy for the occasion
it's fine with us, sleeves or no sleeves.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:38 PM
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124. Is that kinda like
"real men don't eat quiche".
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:47 PM
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114. No sleeves, in great shape? Let her be an inspiration to us all.
"sleeveless, muscular arms" should be a positive for her and us. Fuck the wingnuts anyway.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:29 AM
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116. It's cause half of Americans are obese. .
..they probably think a fit first lady is too "European".
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:31 AM
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122. I really miss the cross-eyed Pickles and her fine taste in clothing...
..not
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