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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:48 PM
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Sacramento's Tent City Could Be Closed- "I don't like having a third world country inside the city,"
Sacramento's Tent City Could Be Closed

SACRAMENTO, CA - Time could be running out for more than 1,200 residents of a now famous tent city north of downtown Sacramento.

Some have compared it to shanty towns, which cropped up after the Great Depression.

But after it was featured on several national TV shows, Sacramento is looking to shut the tent city down.

"I don't like having a third world country inside the city," said Mayor Kevin Johnson.

Johnson wants to close the homeless camp and possibly open a city-sanctioned homeless safe zone with running water and toilets.

The mayor said city leaders were still looking into a possible location for the potential encampment.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=56175&catid=2
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:51 PM
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1. We have all these empty houses from foreclosure
And all these people without homes living in a tent city.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:52 PM
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4. Don't even think about speaking common sense.
That's socialism. Those houses deserve to rot, and reduce the values of all the other homes around them.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:09 PM
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11. Sorry it must have been the devil weed I smoke.
I know weed is for commies but you know its like crack and makes me think evil socialist thoughts. I'm gonna put myself in Jesus camp.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:52 PM
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18. Yeah, but the neighbors moved to the suburbs so they could avoid poor people.
Besides, most of the foreclosures are not in the city proper, but in the county, and the mayor has as much jurisdiction over them as he does on Mars.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 07:23 PM
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21. Or the city could eminent domain them and raffle them off.
Just a suggestion.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:51 PM
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2. "Encampment"
I wonder if they'll be given ID cards for entry, or just branded?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:33 PM
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17. Barcode tattoos.
:puke:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:52 PM
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3. Get used to it, everybody. The inevitable consequences of Bushonomics
with a side of Bushiganda to make swallowing the impossible, possible.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:52 PM
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5. Jeeze. How 'bout some compassion? What an idiot. Open a
safe zone first, dingbat.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:53 PM
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6. Find them a safer, clean place to camp.
All well and good, but it looks like the good mayor thinks his city's image is suffering more than the people living in tents.

If no one was looking, they'd be rousted out in the middle of the night.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:02 PM
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9. That's pretty much what St Pete did
They closed the camp under the freeway. A church set up a camp for homeless people about a mile north of the illegal campground, but many of the homeless wouldn't go there because it had rules which designated quiet time and no alcohol or drugs.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:58 PM
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7. meth
Meth and crack are a big part of the homeless problem here in Florida. Of course, warm weather attracts homeless people as well as people on the edge who come to Florida figuring that if they are going to be miserable, they might as well have good weather.

I'm against the War ON Drugs, but I also hate drugs and the damage they have done and are doing. This includes alcohol, because as we all know drug addicts who live usually end up as winos. ALl the compassion in the world can't help some of these folks, the ones who are too far gone. I wish I knew the solution.
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sallylou666 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:03 PM
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10. Inaccurate Stereotype
That's a inaccurate stereotype of the newly homeless. People who lost their homes and who are wiped out by medical expenses are out there now.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:23 PM
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13. It actually wasn't a stereotype at all
I said that drugs and alcohol are a big part of the homeless problem here, and they are. I didn't say that it was the entirety of the homeless problem. Your characterization of the recently homeless, presumably in such representation as to render my observation an "inaccurate stereotype", is not supported by my observation. Those whom I would suspect of falling into the description you put forth are probably not yet homeless here, because we have very inexpensive housing available. I see many people I suspect of being in that situation living in residential motels, rental trailer parks, and old resort cabins. You can rent a private dwelling (room, trailer, cabin) starting at about $400/mo here.
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sallylou666 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:48 AM
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22. Sacremento tent city was on my mind
You statement is probably true in Florida. I was thinking of the tent city in Sacramento. I'm glad to hear that a tent city has not made it to Florida yet.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:01 PM
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8. This was my first thought of what could happen after CNN did the report on the camp
I think it was important to cover it.

But while watching, I also thought, especially when they talked about the "campers" tapping into the electric grid, that the city would end up cracking down on them or evicting them.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:20 PM
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12. I live in sacramento.....And some facts....
For one, this area has been known as a homeless camp for decades. It is on private property and that is what the fuss is about, the mayor and others are getting pressured to close it down due to liability problems. It wasn't so bad when there were a few but now that there are hundreds and more coming each day, it is getting to be a real problem. Come summer, in that area, with open fires it will be a disaster waiting to happen. And a lawsuit or twenty to be filed on behalf of the campers against the owners who did nothing to move them out and the city who were compliant by not moving them out.

And move them into foreclosures? yeah that ain't gonna happen. DUMB too, people are trying to sell their houses and to have homeless people in the hood would see to it those homes would be on the market for a lot longer. Not to mention the insurance problems.

They have tried different shelter situations here but they are sorestricitve nobody wants to take advantage of them. Be in by 5 PM and out by 8 AM. Can't bring you carts, only a small bag, No drugs, dogs, alcohol, sobriety, Jesus, the whole deal. And they are awy from the other services that offer meals and stuff (Loaves And Fishes most notably).

I am glad that this issue is raising it's head again and Johnson (whom I cannot stand)seems to be making an effort. All I know is today i drove around a lot of town and saw people with signs everywhere. From orangevale to SouthSac. Arden area to Natomas. every corner (and on a few more than one)there was someone with a sign.

I don't know the solution, but I know tht criminalizing it is not going to work. These peopl eneed much more than charity can give them. they need a safe place to stay, showers and access to phones and 21st century items that we all take for granted. But we can't just say, here you go, do what you want eitehr. there are way too many off balance people to believe that a self policing situation would work. That would only invite trouble.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:56 PM
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19. This is all true.
People have camped out there for longer than I can remember. Adding shelter beds or whatever won't move them all indoors, because honestly a lot of them figure that a tent and some degree of self-sufficiency sucks less than a cot and paternalistic rules. Can't really say I'd disagree, in the same circumstances.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:45 PM
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14. There will be more
tent cities.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:45 PM
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15. It's never a good idea to elect a jock to any responsible office
Johnson was one of the best high school basketball players this area ever produced. How that qualifies him to be mayor of a city of half a million people I'm not sure.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:24 PM
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16. they'll try to locate it miles outside of town...
...away from public transportation and other services, no doubt. Out of sight, out of mind.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:58 PM
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20. Meanwhile the outlying communities will keep moving their homeless into town
Either passively by neglecting to provide services, or by actively hinting where services are or even loading people up in the back of a cruiser and dumping them in Alkalai Flat. Wouldn't be the first time, or the hundred and first.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:53 AM
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24. That is the big unsung problem... I doubt the majority of these homeless are
even from Sacramento proper.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:49 AM
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23. we are ALL members of the Joad family these days....
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