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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:35 PM Original message |
how do you define "excellence" as applied to teachers? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Any teachers or K-12 teachers? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. take your pick. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I learned most from teachers who introduced me to a set of issues, |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. it is, yes. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I have no idea how you all manage in what seems to me |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Aye, there's the rub n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'd like to hear more about how people are defining "bad" teachers. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. so that's a vote for "I have no idea". |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Oh, I think I can sum up "excellence" in context of these discussions. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. "in the context of these discussions" wasn't part of what I asked. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It wasn't? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. seems like a pretty simple question to me. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Perhaps. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I've posted here about education for years. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes, I know. |
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hugo_from_TN (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. Multiple ways |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. fair enough. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:45 PM Original message |
add components of 360 assessments as well |
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hugo_from_TN (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes Yes Yes |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. That makes sense. nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
90. Agreed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. The final I always gave in my Eng 1A sections was an evaluation |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Feedback is good. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I think I envy your students |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I never did either but had to figure it out "on the job" on real tests. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. tests were easy for me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Timed essay tests can be hard for kids because there are too many |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. I completely understand... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Omg. When I took handwritten tests, my mind stayed perfectly clear |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. How about positive lifetime effects on their students? |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I'll bite, how 50 years later are you going to measure it? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
60. Or spend more time also working on evaluation methods for |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. Sounds good to me |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
94. And we sleep, eat and live our "other" lives when? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. their students show improvement |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I like portfolio assessments. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. What is that? Like before and after pictures over the course of the term? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
93. Pretty much. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. The important question isn't "define", it's "measure". |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. Several years ago when she was in 7th grade my |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. I define excellence in any profession as striving to improve, to learn, to adapt |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. I describe adequacy as .... |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
91. I agree with your answer. |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. Maybe this is too simplistic, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
19. The kids learn--and LIKE IT |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That may be the most valuable quality of all |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. They're really interested and it's contagious. |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Yes! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. That would be the mark of an excellent student. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. A student is usually only as good as his/her environment allows |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I can't remember the last time... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Think of it as teaching someone how to ride a bike. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. sometimes, to create a future well-functioning citizen, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Good teachers will get kids to learn |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. sorry. I forgot that everyone comes to school ready to learn. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. just to clarify... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. That's your strawman |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. no answer. check. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. Dedicated, qualified, fair, strict. nt |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
25. Wouldn't it be the same... |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. you |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. flattery will get you everywhere. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. . . . |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
81. kiss-ass |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
43. Teaching is not a black and white job .. too many varibles |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
44. Someone who is able to encourage their students to want to learn, to be excited about learning about |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
45. survives the day without being murdered by her ...pupils? nt |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. that's just quick reflexes. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. One that gave me an 'A' ... or my kid an 'A' |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. given my experience today, it would include |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Did I ever tell you about the time my son destroyed his principal's straw hat? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I think I missed that one. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. My Nick had a reading thing where he needed to get information aurally |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. heh! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. That principal hated me more for walking into the scene of his humiliation |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Really? I've always been a devotee so have no grip on what |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I took on a six week substitute job earlier this |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Can I ask, what level you were teaching? |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
96. Three remedial reading classes, one Language Arts |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. And that's going to be a BIG problem when the level of |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. I think an excellent teacher is able to communicate a love of learning to his/ her students |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Yes. I agree |
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hellbound-liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. I never really appreciated science until I got out of school. Probably for the same reasons. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
65. Today I told my students that I park my karma in my garagema. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. That's a case of excellentitis if I ever saw one. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
69. Here's part of a 35 year old list of requirements |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
76. proud2BlibKansan. that's how i define it... |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
77. One of the problems I have with this question is that different |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. ah, for the ability to K&R a post. |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Thank you. I have always enjoyed your posts, |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. I recently had dinner with an old high school friend. We |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
78. Opinion from a secondary teacher. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
80. A great teacher is one who can keep a student engaged in thought |
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sakura (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
82. I've worked with many "excellent" teachers. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. exactly fucking so. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Great observation. This situation sums up the majority of |
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Mr Generic Other (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
92. good teachers like teaching and they like their students. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
95. increasing student scholastic behaviors, raising test scores, motivating students to learn outside |
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