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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:35 AM
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Journey to Chavez' Hellish Jails
This is from a photo reportage from the Italian daily La Repubblica (www.repubblica.it), which is considered a leftist publication in Italy.

The actual photographs can be found at http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/carceri-venezuela/1.html.

The first picture has a caption that reads in Italian (subsequently in English, my translation):

Chiusa tra le pareti sicure delle carceri venezuelane esiste una realtà che non conosce controllo: i detenuti sono quasi tutti armati di pistole e coltelli e ogni anno sono oltre quattrocento le persone che rimangono uccise. Da questo reportage, realizzato da Valerio Bispuri lo scorso febbraio, nel carcere maschile di Carabobo, una località a 300 chilometri da Caracas, emerge la condizione fatiscente e drammatica del sistema penitenziario venezuelano. Di fronte all'emergenza carceri, il governo sta progettando l'apertura di due nuovi isituti penitenziari, moderni e di massima sicurezza, ispirati al modello spagnolo.

Closed between the secure walls of the Venezuelan jails, there exists a reality that does not know order; the detainees are almost all armed with guns and knives and each year more than four hundred people are killed. From this reportage, produced by Valerio Bispuri this past February, in the prison for men of Carabobo, approximately 300 Km from Caracas, the dramatic and sad conditions of the Venezuelan corrections system emerge. Confronted by the prison emergency, the government is planning the opening of two new correctional institutes, modern and with maximum security, inspired by the Spanish model.

Just thought it was very interesting and sad. The pictorial is quite stunning.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:37 AM
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1. With the highest per capita incarceration rate, we, the USA, have not the moral authority ...
to judge Venezuela. Especially since CHINA is our "most favored trading partner" and SAUDI ARABIA has "our oil."

Hypocritical anyone? :shrug:
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:42 AM
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5. This is not the US... this is an Italian article
by a photojournalist who was able to covertly enter the jails and see what they are like. There is no criticism anywhere in it. The photos speak for themselves, however. I've been to many jails in the U.S. (working in criminal defense, deportation, etc.) and I've yet to see anything near that particular jail. Maybe all the others are beautiful havens of correction, but this one pictured surely isn't.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:48 AM
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8. It's disgusting how some in the USA still think that we can lecture others after GITMO.
WTF? :wtf: INDEED!

It doesn't matter who wrote the article, we are essentially just another THUG nation who encarcerates the highest percentage of people of Democratic Nations.

We have abso-FUCKING-lutely no moral authority to give an opinion that would be anything but "laughed off" by the rest of the world community. :shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:51 AM
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9. hate to break this to you, dear shorty, but individuals have the right
to express their opinions- even if they're contrary to yours, and even if they're from the ghastly, evil, thug nation of Amerikka. Or Italy, for that matter. Oh, and one evil does not exonerate another. duh.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:22 AM
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13. No one needs moral authority to provide an opinion about anything
but thanks for the effort to intimidate free speech.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:38 AM
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2. break out the
:popcorn:!

It's a Venezuela/Chavez thread. More bang for your buck than any other topic on DU. Awaiting with bated breath the comments about how American prisons are worse and how Chavez is a totalitarian dictator.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:39 AM
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3. Care to share some? (I like butter in the middle and on top)
:popcorn:
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:45 AM
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6. IBTL. Or in before the shit storm.
:popcorn:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:47 AM
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7. Try some of this:
:popcorn: It's got Cabot (real) cheddar shake on it. Love that stuff.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:41 AM
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4. LOL...i like the guy reading a gun magazine while in prison...
well, at least there are plans to build newer ones...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:06 AM
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10. "(San Francisco) Pursues right to torture & humiliate detainees"
I just got the press release (below) emailed to me by a friend, about the treatment of arrestees and prisoners in good 'ol 'progressive' San Francisco. This kind of abuse--and worse--is endemic in U.S. prisons.

Also, Judi Lynn just posted a new expose about a US Army PsyOps Group (US Army National Ground Intelligence Center--headquarters in Florida), with an overall budget of $8 billion (worldwide) which has been focusing on defaming the Chavez government in Venezuela since (at least) 2006. US Army Psyops has a far reach, within the corpo/fascist media, and around the world. How do we know that this focus on Venezuelan prisons is, a) true, and b) objective, undistorted? (Are prisons in other South American countries any better? What about Colombia, where rightwing death squad members and drug lords run their operations from prison, and where union leaders have short lives? Or, why not a comparison of several or all Latin American prisons? Why just Venezuela?).

Is the Italian reporter, or the publisher, connected to the US Army National Ground Intelligence Center? Bear in mind that the forged Niger/Iraq nuke documents came out of Italy's (very fascist) intelligence service. Is Italy's media penetrated by SISMI, the way ours is penetrated by the CIA? And is this article an example of distorted, planted anti-left psyops?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x12704
http://www.guerrillanews.com/forum/thread.php?id=34739

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For Immediate Release Mark Merin attorney: 916-443-6911

March 12, 2009

City pursues right to torture & humiliate detainees

After losing twice, City Attorney takes case before “en banc” court


San Francisco. When the story that the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department (SFSD) was illegally strip-searching detainees and leaving them naked for hours in “cold cells” hit the front page of the Chronicle in September 2003, the public was both astonished and outraged. Gavin Newsom, then a candidate for mayor, said, “The departments involved must address these issues at once and take all appropriate steps to make sure that such conduct does not take place in the future."

Since then, a US District Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, who had filed a class-action lawsuit against SFSD for their strip-search and cold-cell policies. But instead of accepting the ruling, the City Attorney filed an appeal. Last year, the City lost its appeal—a three-judge panel of the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals heard the arguments and also ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. The City Attorney then requested an “en banc” hearing before 11 judges of the federal appellate court. This hearing will take place later this month on March 26, 2009 in San Francisco.

“One has to ask why the City is pursuing policies that outrage both San Franciscans and our political leaders,” said Sister Bernie Galvin, an advocate for the rights of homeless people and a plaintiff in the lawsuit. “It really doesn’t make moral sense. Similar class-action lawsuits have been won in lower courts and then settled in counties far less progressive than San Francisco, including Sacramento and Dade.”

Mary Bull, another plaintiff in the lawsuit, was forcibly strip-searched and then left naked for 14 hours in a “cold cell,” after being arrested at an anti-war demonstration in November 2002. Bull stated, “When we were in mediation with city attorneys, I was shocked when they suggested they could win in the US Supreme Court, given Bush Administration policies that were soft on civil rights. The sad thing is, they may be right: The Bush-stacked Supreme Court may overturn all the hard-won victories against civil rights abuses in county jails, and ironically, San Francisco, considered one of the most progressive cities on earth, would be responsible for that travesty.”

Jonah Zern summed up the feelings of many of the plaintiffs, "The treatment of prisoners in U.S. prisons laid the foundation for torture in Abu Ghraib in Iraq, and many will attest that conditions here are not that different. Illegal strip searches in the San Francisco County Jail must be addressed as part of a larger effort to stop the terrible human rights abuses affecting over two million prisoners currently held in the United States."


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I am disturbed by the efforts of posters upthread to "poison the well" of comment on this article on Venezuelan prisons, by characterizing the comments beforehand as an anti- vs. pro-Chavez flame thread. Are the anti-Chavez posters setting threads up this way, and then saying "nyah-nyah, SEE! here we go again!" to set the tone? Is this an example of such a "set up" thread? And are they also deliberately hijacking news and analysis threads, by jumping into every thread on Venezuela, right off the bat, with their brainless comments ("Chavez is a dictator," "Chavez is about to become a dictator...some day," "Chavez is a scumbag," etc., etc., etc.)?

I see a consistent pattern of this kind of posting, that resembles CIA and US military-style psyops--that is, deliberate efforts to defame democratic leaders with "Big Lie" techniques (repeating a lie so often that you wear your targets out), and "divide and conquer" tactics (such as starting flame wars on a leftist forum).

Donald Rumsfeld called for more US government involvement on the internet specifically to topple the Chavez government, in an op-ed in the Washtington Post, in Dec 07 (a year after the US Army National Ground Intelligence Center began focusing on Venezuela), entitled, "The Smart Way To Defeat Tyrants Like Chavez." Is this thread (and its original article) an example of US government war psyops, propaganda and disinformation on the internet?

The anti-Chavez posters at DU may be deliberately or inadvertently serving the worst fuckmeisters on earth--Rumsfeld and his operatives in the US military and the CIA.

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 09:51 AM
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11. bwahahahaha
Chavez lovers and Chavez haters are the funniest people on here.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:30 AM
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14. Yeah, but the Chavez haters seem to be on Donald Rumsfeld's side--not so funny. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:33 AM
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15. I'm sorry but that's as ridiculous as saying that the Chavez lovers
are on the side of totalitarian dictators. All people who hate Chavez do not align politically with Rumsfeld anymore than those who love him align with strong men leaders. I simply find the blind adoration or hate of Chavez, bizarre. Or rather I find the passion behind said emotions bizarre. He's a feckin' politician, for pete's sake.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:11 AM
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12. Alot of that sort of thing going on in these parts. n/t
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