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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:57 PM
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John Dean: Cheney is Guilty of 'Murder' if Hersh Claims Are True
Source: The Raw Story

Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh’s bombshell earlier this week that Vice President Dick Cheney controlled an “executive assassination ring” continues to reverberate throughout Washington, with Nixon aide John Dean going so far as to accuse the former VP of murder if the charges are true.

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann visited the issue on his show Countdown Thursday night where he discussed the legal implications of Hersh's allegations with Dean, who was White House legal counsel under President Richard Nixon.

“It’s potentially a war crime,” Dean said of the reported assassination ring. “It’s potentially just outright murder and it’s clearly in violation of the Ford Executive Order.”

Hersh told the students at the University of Minnesota on Tuesday that the assassination squad was “a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently. In the Bush-Cheney Days, they reported directly to the Cheney, Cheney office. They do not report to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or to Mr. Gates, the secretary of defense. They report directly to him. Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring, essentially.”

“If this is true you have to prosecute this. There is no way around this,” said Olbermann, noting the 1976 executive order of President Gerald Ford which explicitly outlawed the engagement of political employees in political assassination. Cheney was Ford’s chief of staff at the time the order was issued.

“By the time Cheney was back in the West Wing it appears that Cheney had forgotten his own boss’s executive order, or worse, he had decided to ignore it,” Olbermann said.

more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/John_Dean_Bush_and_Cheney_neutered_0313.html
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:15 PM
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1. "However, not everyone is buying the claims made by Hersh."
"The Weekly Standard's Bill Roggio writes, "Hersh has made a living of making fantastic claims that don't quite live up to the hype. Chalk this one up as another Hersh fantasy."

That's funny, I've noticed that everything Hersh says turns out to be accurate. :eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:21 PM
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2. Hersh by himself has more credibility than the entire
Bush administration.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:38 PM
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4. Roggio himself makes fantastic claims that don't live up to the hype
I recall a few years back when he was an embedded blogger in Iraq, he was swallowing everything they told him about "al Qaeda in Iraq" and regurgitating it wholesale.

So both on the basis of his own less-than-stellar record of accuracy and on the grounds that he might be part of the military propaganda machine, he's probably the last person you should be taking seriously.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:34 PM
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3. Hersh reported all of this except the Cheney part years ago
The first of these items is from 2003, the second from 2007. Both of them suggest that Rumsfeld was behind the operations -- but aside from that, they're identical to what he's saying now.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/12/15/031215fa_fact?currentPage=all

The Bush Administration has authorized a major escalation of the Special Forces covert war in Iraq. In interviews over the past month, American officials and former officials said that the main target was a hard-core group of Baathists who are believed to be behind much of the underground insurgency against the soldiers of the United States and its allies. A new Special Forces group, designated Task Force 121, has been assembled from Army Delta Force members, Navy seals, and C.I.A. paramilitary operatives, with many additional personnel ordered to report by January. Its highest priority is the neutralization of the Baathist insurgents, by capture or assassination.

The revitalized Special Forces mission is a policy victory for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who has struggled for two years to get the military leadership to accept the strategy of what he calls “Manhunts”—a phrase that he has used both publicly and in internal Pentagon communications. Rumsfeld has had to change much of the Pentagon’s leadership to get his way. “Knocking off two regimes allows us to do extraordinary things,” a Pentagon adviser told me, referring to Afghanistan and Iraq. . . .

At present, there is no legislation that requires the President to notify Congress before authorizing an overseas Special Forces mission. The Special Forces have been expanded enormously in the Bush Administration. The 2004 Pentagon budget provides more than six and a half billion dollars for their activities—a thirty-four-per-cent increase over 2003. A recent congressional study put the number of active and reserve Special Forces troops at forty-seven thousand, and has suggested that the appropriate House and Senate committees needed to debate the “proper overall role” of Special Forces in the global war on terrorism.

The former intelligence official depicted the Delta and seal teams as “force multipliers”—small units that can do the work of much larger ones and thereby increase the power of the operation as a whole. He also implicitly recognized that such operations would become more and more common; when Special Forces target the Baathists, he said, “it’s technically not assassination—it’s normal combat operations.”


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all

Shortly after September 11th, Rumsfeld, with the support of President Bush, had set up military task forces whose main target was the senior leadership of Al Qaeda. Their essential tactic was seizing and interrogating terrorists and suspected terrorists; they also had authority from the President to kill certain high-value targets on sight. The most secret task-force operations were categorized as Special Access Programs, or S.A.P.s.

The military task forces were under the control of the Joint Special Operations Command, the branch of the Special Operations Command that is responsible for counterterrorism. One of Miller’s unacknowledged missions had been to bring the J.S.O.C.’s “strategic interrogation” techniques to Abu Ghraib. In special cases, the task forces could bypass the chain of command and deal directly with Rumsfeld’s office. A former senior intelligence official told me that the White House was also briefed on task-force operations. . . .

A recently retired C.I.A. officer, who served more than fifteen years in the clandestine service, told me that the task-force teams “had full authority to whack—to go in and conduct ‘executive action,’ ” the phrase for political assassination. “It was surrealistic what these guys were doing,” the retired operative added. “They were running around the world without clearing their operations with the ambassador or the chief of station.”

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:53 PM
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5. Cheney ignoring the law? No way. He IS the law.
Didn't you guys get the memo on the Unitary Executive and the amazing fluidity of the responsibilities/culpability of the Office of the VP?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 05:48 PM
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6. K&R!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:36 AM
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7. Cheney's Death Squad must have
been the dudes to kill the DC Madam when she moved to Florida. And I'm sure he told members of Congress what he could do to them or more importantly to their family members.

Pure evil.
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