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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:37 PM Original message |
Merit pay opponents: |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. How about we pay ALL teachers more? |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. more pay does not make for better work |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Higher salaries would draw more top students into the profession in the first place. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
74. I'm not even sure of that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. We're not surprised when people enter other fields because they like the |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. if you really like math and science.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Teaching high school isn't a dream job? All the more reason to increase the pay. |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #77 |
96. I love math and science.. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
132. you are exactly my point |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
128. I am not sure that is the issue. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. teaching (elementary/secondary) is nothing like research |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #133 |
146. That misses the point. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
127. I think that depends largely upon what sub-group of teachers. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. More respect would help |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. more respect would help |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
135. Respect can't be legislated |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. really? The avg. pay for teachers in the U.S. is $50,000.00 |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Nobody stays in teaching for the money. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
90. Okay. So then there should be no argument as to what teachers make, right? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
106. See post 45 just below for a good answer. nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Compared to other professions that require a college degree, |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. then they got into the wrong profession in the first place. |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. All people work for money. They don't do it for charity. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. true enough |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
129. Money will not make you happy... but... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
85. So then, why teach.? Why not work at a convenience store? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. So then are we supposed to drop teacher salaries to the federal poverty level |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
87. You have already proven in many other posts that you have no business |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
153. And you have proven you hate teachers |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. I don't know any teachers who are in it for the money |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. That "low wages" meme doesn't fly. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Do you have a college degree? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #89 |
140. You posted upthread that the average teacher makes $50,000 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. Yes about 30K |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
165. Ah, jealousy rears its ugly head. It's not easy being green. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
105. No, people who really care about teaching |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. You are making the argument that teachers are not the brightest and best |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. How the hell do you figure that? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Well, you're saying that a lot of people who can leave to make more, do so. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
99. Alternatively, they were not able to make it in the outside world... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Yeah, I'm just pointing out the logical implications of the statement |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Gotta Disagree |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. What fields? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
100. What does a history major do in their field other than teach? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. And Accounting, Nursing, Social Work, Speech Therapy, Occupational Therapy, |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
148. Not the issue |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #80 |
107. Do you have to grade papers and do lesson plans at home |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
94. And how many years of experience is average? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
134. Your argument is based on the concept that all college degrees are of equal value. They are not |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
142. not equal by what metric? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Economics |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #36 |
112. Gee, apparently you weren't in class when your teacher taught you the fallacy of averages |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
136. And you must have not been there where basic economics was being taught |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Teacher pay should be market based. More pay for more demanding degrees and skills |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. School districts will resort to not hiring these people with |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. That works until the less skilled people hired can not do the same job |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. equitable distribution of resources & students by ability, required hours of parent involvement & |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. OK, |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
125. As for solutions and then complain about the lack of specifics even though they're given |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #125 |
158. OK... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. How about a bit of an opposite approach |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That could work, but |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Thats up to the administration and application process |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Yes, interviews, exactly. |
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cloudbase (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Good luck. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. At least we'll know who to take seriously, then... NT |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. First off. This is no way to start a discussion. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Try rereading the OP, for one. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. I re-read the OP, especially the subject title. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Well, |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
126. I do not believe the OP wanted a serious discussion. Just another opportunity |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #126 |
159. Then you believe wrongly. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. I would suggest proving it first. Thus far, it has been vague |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. +1 |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Second that. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Thank you! n/t |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. THANK YOU! n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Merit Pay is coming...educators need to get ahead on it |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. There are so many solutions, I've seen many offered here on DU, |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Think again. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
88. OK, click on the search icon at the top of the page, then click on advanced |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #88 |
157. Thank you for the suggestions... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
103. Here's one of mine |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
156. That's got some merit - administration eats up a |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. I went to school in the '60s and '70s |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. I could write at least fifty pages on this |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Then post a journal entry... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. Scarce resources need to be distributed based on student needs |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. $100,000 per year for teachers, starting salary. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. For a liberal arts BA? Are you farking nuts? |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. That is a bit too much.. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The majority of teachers have liberal arts or other non technical degrees |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
124. Might be worth looking at why those degrees are worth less. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #124 |
138. Its free choice and market forces at work |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
20. Schools should not be funded locally, for one. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Agree, schools should not be funded locally |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
144. Been done in CA, not much impact on the disparities |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #144 |
160. VERY true - |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Man, this is such a freedom loving site! |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. That's awesome. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Your idea of freedom is seriously warped in my opinion |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't see how anyone could disagree. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I'm not a communist so I don't agree. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. No offense, but your belief sounds more libertarian |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Libertarian? Single payer healthcare? Preschool? Better funded public schools? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
141. They do it in Western Europe |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. DS isn't proposing restricting your freedoms |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. My kids attend public school. I've had kids in public schools for two decades, in fact. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. So you want freedom from guilt? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
108. It's my damn business |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I'd be more likely to buy into this |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Yeah, I realized there were a lot of situations I was missing. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. schools of choice |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
113. Right... any program needs to address legacy issues in failing(unfunded) schools. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
150. We have more or less level funding per student in CA, it really has not changed things much |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. Test teachers before testing students. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. That would kinda be the whole "university education" thing most places require (nt) |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. A basic skills test is already part of teacher certification. |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. They already do this with teacher certification exams. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. The ones I have seen (and taken) were pretty weak |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How much testing should someone have to endure |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. The focus is that the test are easy and yet some teachers had huge problems passing them |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
117. I do agree with that. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
70. It is called Praxis, from ETS. Same people that brought you the SAT. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
83. They do that already |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #83 |
104. Then either somebody is cheating, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #104 |
111. You can't teach without a knowledge of pedagogy |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. You can't teach something if you don't know it, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. But oh yes you can |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. No, you can't. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. The fact that I am a teacher and do indeed know what I am talking about is rather relevant |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. It's not relevant to your ludicrous statement |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. Those aren't pedagogy issues |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Putting a lesson plan together for "a content area we were not familiar with" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:38 AM Response to Reply #137 |
163. My education courses were not crap |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Wow. Just wow. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #118 |
145. I have seen several epic fails from that approach |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #115 |
130. clarification on wording, please. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #130 |
139. I took five core classes in an MA program in education |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #139 |
147. Your experience matches mine. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. reconstruct the real economy, reduce working hours so both parents can spend time with their kids, |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. Though not necessarily an opponent of merit pay |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. work to value education (of many kinds) as a society. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
54. where'd you go? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
161. Had to deal with RL, unfortunately... |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
67. what's wrong with properly using the tenure system. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Tenure has no place in K-12. Look at what tenure was instituted for |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Tenure meant the crazy parent who hated me couldn't fire me when he became school board prez |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Thats a union/contract issue, not tenure |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
69. Hire secondary teachers with degrees in their subject areas |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Heresy...we could end up with teachers who do not adhere to the orthodoxy |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
109. That is another problem, yes. |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. Stop teaching tests. nt |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-13-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
91. Require at least 5 years of higher education to teach K-6, six years for 7-12 |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. It has to be more than years of education...high demand skills should be the prime factor |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #91 |
121. Many universities have 5 year teacher ed programs |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #121 |
149. Specialized subject knowledge would be the key |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Elementary teachers take many more courses in child development |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
95. As a teacher, here's what I want. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:25 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. I agree. I'd add that paraprofessionals |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #95 |
116. And some respect from the public, I'm sure |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #95 |
122. Me too |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
151. And as a 20 year educator I'll add... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
114. Pay all teachers more in order to attract the best candidates |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
155. what is the problem? |
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