Response to KO's post regarding Stewart Cramer at Daily Kos

[notadmblnd]

The reason the story should have been covered is because what Jon Stewart did was news. He didn't just go and bad mouth an arrogant Wall Street insider or make CNBC look bad. He exposed them for what they were, crooks! The market manipulation, the disappearance of trillions of dollars and the loss 4 million jobs is a direct result of their criminal actions, and that is the news.

No, the story KO should have covered, should not have been about Jon or Cramer. The story should have been about the crimes that Jon exposed.

As Jon said, "the song aint about you."

I posted here, because I'm not a member of KOS and can't post there.

[DJ13]

1. Keith's excuse was pretty weak

By The Way (61+ / 0-)


The assumption that we would automatically do a story on a story Jon Stewart did is not a good one.

There is no interaction between his show and mine, and while it's possible that we did some significant segments on any of his previous smackdowns or vivisections (as good as they might have been), I don't remember when that would've been. So it's either not happened, or it hasn't happened in a long time.

Also the premise of corporate no-touch orders to keep what happened "quiet" is silly. That horse (in fact, an entire stable-full) left that barn as soon as the video hit the internet. My understanding is Rachel's doing a little something on this.

There is also - and of course I know this from being on the other end - the element of competitive gamesmanship about this. If there had been anybody of Cramer's heft on Fox Business, subjected to Stewart's hammering, I don't know that ABC, CBS and Fox would've been quite so interested in covering it. Conversely, I recall Stewart doing a lot of hammering of Foxies and it's not like I've turned all of those into 10-minute segments on this show.

"If you're going through hell - keep going!" -- Winston Churchill

by Keith Olbermann on Fri Mar 13, 2009 at 05:38:04 PM PDT


http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2009/3/13/182441/605/333#c333
Daily Kos :: Comments Moment of Truth for Keith and Rachel coming up tonight

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[notadmblnd]

2. I guess it tells us what his priorities are

I don't know how anyone can't be outraged by what Jon exposed last night. Jon made it crystal clear for everyone to understand. It's not about CNBC, it's not about Cramer. By Keith not commenting on it, he's complicit in en-abeling the behavior that these individuals have been engaging in to continue.

I'm as outraged as Jon, no, probably more outraged than Jon is about this. I've lost my job, I've lost most of my savings and if something doesn't happen soon, I'm going to lose my house. I'm not going to take what little is left and use it to forestall the foreclosure that going to happen to me and my son in the next few months. I'm going to need it to finance our homelessness.

[parasim]

3. Problem is, some of those crimes would have been committed by his employer.

He probably values his job more than anything else.

Which I think is too bad and I've lost a lot of respect for KO.

No, it wasn't the story of the year necessarily, but it certainly was good political theater, something that KO seems to like to put on his show. For him to act like it's no big deal is just silly. You know, i bet he secretly wishes that CNBC was owned by Fox. He would certainly relish that. I'm disappointed that he has given in to his employer like that.

Oh well, I hardly watch KO anymore anyway... Rachel is so much better and I'm cutting down on my cable news watching so it's pretty much just her for me.


edited, to add: Not only that... i think that KO might just be a little jealous. Jon Stewart is being touted in some places as the "next Edward R. Murrow" and I think Keith has always seen himself as that guy. What with his "special comments" and everything. Now that Stewart is looking more like Murrow and Olbermann comes across as more of a Howard Beale character, he's probably not digging it too much and would rather the whole not have happened.

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. So Keith should join the ranks of the unemployed for your entertainment?

I'll take Keith's word over yours. I don't imagine he'll lose much sleep over it. And I seriously doubt that KO is jealous of Jon, but that won't stop some people from making shit up. Not many people have the courage they seem to think others should. You diss your employer, in this environment, and your ass is out of a job. That simple.

:edited for spelling

[notadmblnd]

10. For some reason I thought principles were something you kept with you at all times

and not something you could set aside if they became inconvenient or might conflict with your livelihood? Maybe that's why I never climbed very high on the corporate ladder?:shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Well, perhaps if you'd applied yourself, and aspired to be something...

you'd have a much more pragmatic view of the world. Idealism and altruism are fine, but if it doesn't pay your rent, you're just another homeless m-f'er standing on the corner, begging people who did apply themselves, for spare change. Sorry, but you can't feed your children "principles", they want a happy meal.

People with a modicum of rationality know that you don't bite the hand that feeds you...just ask Randi Rhodes.

[notadmblnd]

20. Well isn't that a nice right wing thing to say?

Yeah, and people tell me I'm cold hearted. I'm not aware that Olberman has any children to feed and at this point in his career, I seriously doubt he'd be living in the streets if he were to be fired.

So, if your boss tells you to bend over so he can fuck you up the ass, you gonna do it to keep your job?

[Name removed]

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[notadmblnd]

23. So I'll take that as a yes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. Take it however you like, you're the one with the zucchini. (nt)

:rofl:

[notadmblnd]

29. Actually, I have a big dildo

I eat my vegetables not masturbate with them.

How do you figure that 5th grade comment should bother me? You're right about one thing though, there is only one fool here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. Didn't stop you from taking the bait though, did it? Talk about 5th grade.

:eyes:

[notadmblnd]

34. is that your purpose here?

Just baiting people?

[notadmblnd]

8. Your edit

There's room enough for both Jon and Keith if they don't let their egos get in the way.

[misanthrope]

9. Beale showed less ego**nm

**

[BrklynLiberal]

4. Kick

[Medusa]

5. What a BS excuse.

lame. What else to expect from the corporate-owned media though?

[Berry Cool]

7. I don't agree with parasim

but I have to say that for the first time in my life, I don't believe Keith is being entirely honest with the public.

I think he got pressure to squelch this--his producers were pressured and thus he was pressured--and he knew that if he insisted on covering it, it would mean they would lose their jobs. He didn't want that to happen. But rather than admit this and look disloyal to his employer, he's pretending the whole story wasn't that big a deal and they weren't necessarily going to cover it anyway.

It's a little white lie he's telling to protect other people at MSNBC. Not himself. Other people he cares about.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Does it strike you as suspect that most of the harsh criticisms of KO...

are coming from people who don't even support this board. No donor stars, but a whole lot of "O-P-I-N-I-N-G" and/or "W-H-I-N-I-N-G". Get over yourself.

[notadmblnd]

14. I don't think I've been harsh. I think I've expressed my disappointment

Also, I've been a poster on this board for better than five years and I've donated during the entire time.

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Is your screen name "Medusa"? Why would you respond to a post

that clearly didn't reference you in the least. I'm talking about the "non-donating" posters who feel free to come here and say whatever the hell they want, and don't have to pay for the privelege.

[notadmblnd]

28. because I'm the OP on this thread

and you implied that the people posting with criticism, were freepers. For the most part the people who have replied to this thread are long time members and have donated.

Don't you think a posters donor status should be between them and DU?

If it were just an observation in regards to the board, why didn't you create your own thread asking the question? You didn't even have to bother with this one.

You don't get to pick and choose who gets to post or what content it may contain. you do however have the right to choose what to ignore or participate in just as I do.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. I think a poster's donor status is between DU & those of us who choose...

to support this board. And I'll make whatever observation I want, just as you did, if you please? And for the record, you were the first to use the term "freeper". If the shoe fits.........

[notadmblnd]

36. ROFL

:rofl:

[Medusa]

42. I must have missed the small print

that said I had to have a donor star to have an opinion and that I'm not free to say what I want around here if I don't. That doesn't make me a "freeper" b/c I called Olbermann out for his bullshit and covering for his corporate kin by any means. And I'm not alone in doing so either, it seems that quite a few people here with stars besides their names think he's wrong on this one besides me.

[Mojorabbit]

26. I have a star

and I am disappointed in this. I would bet anything if this had happened to one of CNN's people or one of the people for Fox's business network he would have gleefully covered it.It underscores the whole point about what Jon Stewart did. We get a certain superficial type of coverage in the media. I get pissed watching Tweety as he does not do the followup questions and only rarely calls people on their lies, as an example. Jon asked the hard questions, he followed up, he did not let Cramer bullshit is way out of it. Helen Thomas also asks hard questions. Most others not so much.

[Stephanie]

12. Where is this post? Linky?

I don't see it at Kos. Thanks!

[notadmblnd]

18. the link was posted up thread bu here u go.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2009/3/13/182441/605/333#c333

[Stephanie]

19. thanks

[upi402]

13. Jon Stewart is the adult to these spoiled brat Republicans

SOMEBODY needs to tell truth to power fer Christ fuckin sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Baikonour]

16. It really is amazing how quickly we eat our own. n/t

[firedupdem]

22. What is the big deal about Keith not covering it? I don't get it.

What difference would it make either way?

[notadmblnd]

24. I thought I made that clear in my OP

[firedupdem]

27. I guess you did but I guess I'm still confused over the what the big

deal is. Does every show need to cover the story now? If it's not covered there's a cover up? I guess it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Most people that watch Jon Daly probably watch Keith too. The story has been everywhere. Why this is such a big sin on Keith's part is still beyond me. But hey, have at it!

[notadmblnd]

30. Because how these people are manipulating the market

and stealing our money was exposed. Did you see the video that Cramer did in 2006. The one Jon showed a couple of clips from? It was posted here a few days ago, and Jon was right it is criminal at worst. It needs to get out in the mainstream so the authorities will be forced to investigate and punish the criminals. If not, things will continue to go on as they have and we'll all continue on this downward spiral to the bottom.

Are you going to continue savings/investing knowing these people are still running the scam? I can't afford to lose anymore, can you?

[4lbs]

33. There was a post about a MSNBC memo that told MSNBC show producers NOT to cover the Stewart-Cramer

event on their shows.

So, it appears that the orders came down from high up to "ignore" it and hope it goes away and is forgotten.

Rachel Maddow was the only person who devoted more than 10 seconds to it on her show.

Chris Matthews didn't cover it on Hardball at all.

David Schuster's 1600 show didn't mention it.

Keith didn't mention it at all.

Morning Joe didn't mention it.

The morning talking heads on MSNBC didn't mention it.

[notadmblnd]

35. I know. I guess my mistake was singleing out KO

when I should have used MSNBC. However, we're used to Keith speaking truth to power, the rest of the talking head shows... not so much. That's why I directed my disappointment towards Keith, I've grown to expect more from him.:shrug:

[4lbs]

37. The interesting thing is that regardless of one's personal feelings towards Jay Leno, he regularly

skewers NBC in his monologue.


"Hey, Kevin, they moved that guy to some place where no one will see him.... I guess that means they've given him his own NBC reality show."

"Hey, how many of you have seen that new Celebrity Apprentice last night? ..... Yeah, me neither."

"<insert name here> complained about his/her job and how demeaning it was and how much they hated working there.... Working at NBC has got to get better one of these days."

"In light of the recent Nielsen ratings for it's shows, NBC will no longer stand for the National Broadcasting Company. It will now stand for No Body Cares."



MSNBC and CNBC need to be able to skewer each other and cover each other's foibles.

[notadmblnd]

39. I guess Jay's like the troubled banks..

too big to get rid of.

I thought KO was pretty big and powerful too. I won't make that mistake again.

[Politicalboi]

38. So what is MSNBC going to do

If they investigate Cramer? Are they not going to talk about it?

[madmom]

40. One of the reasons I don't watch Rachel all that much is because it's

usually just a rehash of what was one Olberman, IMO. When I see she has something he doesn't, I watch. Could this have anything to do with both shows not doing the same story?

[mod mom]

41. FYI Here is a link to KO numerous posts on this Kos thread:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Keith%20Olbermann/comments

Some news: KO will be on Maher next week.