R W brother just called to whoop up on his liberal brother- new RW meme:

[callous taoboy]

Since the govt. won't be able to repeal the second amendment, Obama administration will push for all gun owners to take out liability insurance through their home owner policy, making it more expensive to own a gun. Bro said he'd just checked his ammunition stock and realized he was low after a trip to the gun range, went to 5 different sporting goods stores in his area and none of them had 9mm rounds. People are worried, says he. I'm thinking, well you do live in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area.

He started to go on about how Pelosi is deeply involved in this but during a pause I just said I don't spend time thinking about guns and gun ownership so I had nothing to offer him on this, then I told him about all of the nice rain we've been getting.

[Dappleganger]

1. Any gun owner who hasn't taken on extra liability insurance

is incredibly stupid. They could lose EVERYTHING and jeopardize their family's future.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

2. I think it's great

how these rumors get the rightwingnuts out there, buying ammunition.

Good for the economy.

Stupidity - it's what makes America run...............

[Mojorabbit]

35. The RNC sent me another email

about this today. I get one a week from the NRA too. I have no idea why I am on their mailing list but this is a big part of where the fear is coming from.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

42. Well, what else have they got?

They need to keep their membership stirred up and the agitation alive so that they can goose more and more $$$$ out of them.

They are probably very grateful to OUR PRESIDENT OBAMA for all that he's done for them by winning the election..............

[BR_Parkway]

3. Aren't they low on ammo because everyone panic stocked up "because"

Obama was going to take their guns? So now the fact that they're out of ammo is "proof".

Talk about round room and peeing in the corner

[havocmom]

37. Yep. It is a sales/marketing ploy: Get 'em while you still can!!!11!!!!111!!

The only ideas wingers have to improve the economy (well, their personal economy) is to scare the impressionable into buying:
more guns than they will ever need
more ammo than they will ever use
wars that should never have been waged

all the same: marketing so somebody else makes money

Oh, and I am a gun owner

[rurallib]

4. I don't have whacky RW relatives. If I did I probably wouldn't talk

to them. Life is just too short to put up with that crap. If they were such that I thoought I could persuade them I would. But why waste the only life you get beating your head against a wall.
I have one BIL who starts talking points sometime, but I usually shut him down quickly. I have told him before that if he is just going to spout whatever Rush says he can save his breath. I'll get it on the radio from the source. I don't want to hear it from him. Safe to say we talk very little.

[Jackpine Radical]

19. I have a wingnut Jesus freak cousin with a sorta mean streak.

He used to send me all those crap emails, and I responded with my kind. He then said he didn't want to get political, but he kept on sending his shit. It was like he either had some kind of "Send-Button" impulse control problem or he thought his stuff was so obviously correct and valuable that it didn't count as "political." I'm not sure exactly how it happened, but I haven't heard anything from him in years. Maybe I forgot to notify him of an email address change when I changed providers or something.

[callous taoboy]

31. had some kind of "Send-Button" impulse control problem- LOL!

[alfredo]

5. Tell him Pelosi blocked the most recent assault weapons ban.

US ammo companies have long strained to keep up with demand caused by bush's wars.

[callous taoboy]

11. Seriously? I wasn't aware of that. Wish I had known that. n/t

[alfredo]

23. she declared it DOA, Next time you see him, tell him that. Also tell him

that Feinstein has a CC permit John Kerry is an avid hunter, and Michael Moore is a charter member and safety instructor for the NRA. Remind him that Liberals do own and carry guns but don't feel the need to tell everyone. We are not like the nerdy boy that claims he knows karate in hope the big boys don't beat him up.

[JohnnyLib2]

27. Thanks for shedding light on Pelosi's role.

(see post 20, you answered it here)

[alfredo]

30. I just posted this below

[JohnnyLib2]

38. LOL, I'm gong to "share" that one.

[alfredo]

39. Great. I made that several years ago when the Reps started whining

about the Dems wanting to take away our guns.

[gratuitous]

6. Write it down

Date it, and if he's in your presence, have him sign or initial it. Every cockamamie idea, every nonsense talking point. Keep 'em, cherish 'em, and every now and then, shove one up your brother's ass. "So, still got your guns?" "Hey, have the black helicopters swooped down in your yard again lately?" It's a sure thing he doesn't remember this bullshit for a moment after polluting the air with it. Do it for him.

[Belial]

7. Thats why it is always a good thing to buy ammo in bulk.. Cheaper

and you don't run out of ammo as quick :)

[msongs]

8. gun makers too busy exporting to mexico - never pass up a chance to make $$ from murder eh? nt

[pacalo]

9. Where do they get this stuff?

Granted, guns shouldn't be owned period by mental cases, but, aside from that point, I've never heard Obama or anyone affiliated with his office mention anything about guns.

[The Wielding Truth]

10. They have to invent their own reality to keep their sheep in line.

[zanne]

12. The NRA is actually calling people, getting them riled up.

About 30 years ago, pre-Charlton Heston, my husband belonged to the NRA. He still gets phone calls, trying to get him to join up again. Last week, they called again and told him that under this administration, it was more important than ever to join because Obama et al. want to outlaw certain types of guns and ammunition. He told them to take him off their list and hung up. (I have the best husband in the world).

[SpiralHawk]

13. They are just totally all about fear

afraid of everything.

Sheesh. Pathetic.

[lapfog_1]

14. Quick check of online vendors of different types of 9mm

ammo shows that some specific types are, indeed, showing up as out-of-stock, however, I was able to find at least
one retail outlet that had 9mm ammo in stock for each of the popular types. I'm not sure on pricing, but it
would seem that the more popular types could be bought for something like $.27 a round (if bought in quantity,
like 1000 rounds).

I used to shoot at the local target range on a routine basis (but this was 20 years ago), and I remember it
being a bit of an expensive sport (a friend invested in reloading equipment and we reused as much as we could).

I only checked about 4 online stores and I didn't check to see if they could all ship to Texas ( apparently
different states have their own laws about online purchase of ammo ).


I would guess that Texas would be one of the more "liberal" states on the purchase of ammo online, but I don't
know.

There is apparently some great concern in the shooting community about Obama, Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi and
an agenda to have ammo coded (laser inscribed with serial numbers) for tracing purposes. Sort of like
diamonds, I guess. The complaints border on the hysterical. However, as it turns out, each state is doing
their own legislation on this, not federal legislation. I'm sure that all of the state bills are similar.
But, if you read the actual bill (I read the one for Arizona), even if passed this year, it wouldn't require
gun owners to use only the inscribed ammo for some number of years. It requires a 2/3rds majority of the
state legislature to pass, and if there was a veto by the governor, it takes a 3/4 majority to override.

There isn't any chance that Arizona will pass this. So it's just a proposal introduced by 3 state assembly
people.

Personally, I don't see the big deal with it. BTW, the Arizona legislation doesn't apply to shotgun shells,
as far as I could tell, or BBs for a BB gun either.

[jwirr]

26. When it comes to shortages of any commodity - they are all like banks

if there is a run then there is a shortage. If they are all trying to buy ammo at one time of course there is a shortage.

[lapfog_1]

28. I rather imagined that the shortage of 9mm

was due to the long term and unexpected demand for this round by the various parties involved in wars around
the world. I doubt that ammo manufacturers would ramp up production by building more factories to make the
stuff unless they had some very long term assurances of a sustained increase demand. Assurances in the form
of contracts and such. Such assurances have probably not been forthcoming.

But that's just my guess.

I talked with a gun enthusiast just recently and the "out-of-stock" issue for 9mm rounds has been going on for
some time now.

[benEzra]

44. The run on ammo dates to 2005, after the Katrina debacle

and the idiotic attempts by some local and Federal officials with God complexes to confiscate lawfully owned guns and ban lawful ammo sales in some affected areas; I frequent a lot of gun boards, and a lot of people started stocking up then, out of concerns that authorities would use any crisis as a pretext to ban further ammo sales a la Katrina. It doesn't help that the three most popular civilian centerfire rifle calibers (.223 Remington/5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, and .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm) are the exact calibers that the U.S. and allies are using in vast quantities in Iraq, meaning that supplies on the world market were extra tight to start with.

The run on guns dates to last year, though, and was/is mostly driven by concerns about a new "assault weapon" fraud and/or restrictions on full-capacity magazines. That increased ammo sales further, as first-time buyers of "black rifles" buy ammunition as well.

[madrchsod]

15. it was a illinois state rep from chicago who wanted this.

he wanted gun owners to take out a million(?) dollar policy and if they had their guns stolen they had 24 hours to report or they`d be liable for any injury their gun caused...

ya just can`t trust those wacky internets to tell the truth!

there was a discussion about this in the gun forum

[texastoast]

16. I got the mail about the Blair Holt act

from my fundie relative and how it was "Obama's plan to take our guns by stealth."

They are just spin idiots and not one of them read the snopes link about the history of the bill and the lack of co-sponsorship. They just breed fear and the mindless just eat it up.

[Speck Tater]

17. It was my understanding that Obama would force gun owners to

have "Gun Owner" Tattooed in one-inch letters on their forehead to warn the public.

:sarcasm:

Where DO those crazy wingnuts get their ideas?

[callous taoboy]

32. Hah! Or at least "Brother of gun owner" n/t

[backwoodsbob]

18. just bought 2,500 rounds of 9mm

no shortage here.

Picked up 1,000 rounds of 30.06 while I was there.

Bonus checks ftw :)

[JohnnyLib2]

20. Seriously, how does Pelosi come into this stuff?

I heard much the same from a rw relative, who works her into every conversation. I don't follow gun legislation and wonder if she is highly involved or just used as a red flag? Thanks.

[sallyseven]

21. She is being used because she is a

woman and they hate women. Obama had already said he thought some guns were ok. I got an e-mail the other day telling me that my 2nd amendment rights were being abridged. It was from the RNC. I can donate to them 50 100 etc. They would make my 2nd amendment right all better. First place I am older than dirt. I would have to be dead 3 days before I would consider that a republican was anything but a crook and even consider voting or contributing to them. They lie and the dumbbells out there vote for them. God save us all. We need a change in our education system. Critical thinking should be a given in education.

[JohnnyLib2]

22. Thanks, sallyseven.

That fits, sadly enough. The same RW relative seems to hate Hillary and Pelosi equally, irrationally.

I'm surprised by reply # 5, above, too. Will research a little. :hi:

[Grey]

24. I agree...

I'm also "older than dirt" and have to say I think Critical thinking and Logic should be taught in school starting at grade 4 or 5.

I also think money management should start in grade 7. People need to learn the difference between 'need' and 'want'.

[Ex Lurker]

41. I think it has as much to do with her being from San Francisco

as it does her being a woman. By and large, the rest of the country thinks SF is populated by weirdos.

[DCKit]

43. Should've written back and asked the RNC when the rest of the Constitution is due to be restored...

and whether they have any intention of following it. It's amazing how those who claim to be our moral and ethical superiors have only a passing acquaintance with the foundation of our democracy.

If nothing else, the Republicrits are a great source of unintentional humor.

[alfredo]

29. send them this

[callous taoboy]

33. My bro is just a tad misogynistic. Pelosi makes a wonderful target for him. More-

The absolutely weird thing about my brother is that back in the early 70s he was a long-haired, dope-toking, peace-nik who was a gas to be around and the women in his life thought he was wonderful. I look back at old Christmas cards from him from that time period and they are so warm, full of wisdom and the like.

[Zodiak]

25. When RW relatives call you to throw talking points in your face...

...every time they get an email, then they are being abusive.

I certainly did not call my RW relatives to get in their face every time * fucked up. I do not understand the mentality other than just looking to pick a fight.

[callous taoboy]

34. Bro became a bully in early 80s, about the time he became a MEpublican. Hmmmm....

[Geek_Girl]

36. Tell him that's a bunch of BS and is more likely

some conspiracy by the NRA to increase gun and ammo sales. Geeze these people are so fucking gullible.

[anigbrowl]

40. Liability insurance seems reasonable enough to me.

You have to have it to take you car on the road, so I don't see any reason you shouldn't have to carry it for a gun too. Of course, it could get expensive if you have lots of guns, but I see no reason that couldn't be offset by getting an advanced firearm certification, eg qualifying as an instructor or suchlike.

[seabeyond]

45. amarillo tx. hubby talk to gun owner, selling his stuff like crazy, inflated prices cause

they dont want them registered, afraid gonna be taken away. stores are low on guns, out of stock, again selling like crazy, but we also figure with economy they are probably keeping inventory low too