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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:17 PM
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The Abu Zubaydah Experiment - Emptywheel
The Abu Zubaydah Experiment
By: emptywheel Sunday March 15, 2009 7:56 am

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The NYRB New Yorker has a piece with long excerpts from the leaked Red Cross report on American torture of high value detainees. (h/t scribe; corrected per scribe) Read it. It's chilling in its systematicity--the constant involvement of doctors, the efforts to hide any marks of torture, the invention of clinical language to describe torture.

I'll return to the report, but for the moment just one observation.

Amid a slew of details on the treatment of Abu Zubaydah, the article describes Abu Zubaydah learning that he was the guinea pig for these techniques.

"We do not know if the plywood appeared in Zubaydah's white room thanks to orders from his interrogators, from their bosses at Langley, or perhaps from their superiors in the White House. We don't know the precise parts played by those responsible for "choreographing" the "alternative set of procedures." We do know from several reports that at a White House meeting in July 2002 top administration lawyers gave the CIA "the green light" to move to the "more aggressive techniques" that were applied to him, separately and in combination, during the following days:

........"After the beating I was then placed in the small box. They placed a cloth or cover over the box to cut out all light and restrict my air supply. As it was not high enough even to sit upright, I had to crouch down. It was very difficult because of my wounds. The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in the leg and stomach became very painful. I think this occurred about 3 months after my last operation. It was always cold in the room, but when the cover was placed over the box it made it hot and sweaty inside. The wound on my leg began to open and started to bleed. I don't know how long I remained in the small box, I think I may have slept or maybe fainted.

I was then dragged from the small box, unable to walk properly and put on what looked like a hospital bed, and strapped down very tightly with belts. A black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral water bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe. After a few minutes the cloth was removed and the bed was rotated into an upright position. The pressure of the straps on my wounds was very painful. I vomited. The bed was then again lowered to horizontal position and the same torture carried out again with the black cloth over my face and water poured on from a bottle. On this occasion my head was in a more backward, downwards position and the water was poured on for a longer time. I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe, but it was hopeless. I thought I was going to die. I lost control of my urine. Since then I still lose control of my urine when under stress.

I was then placed again in the tall box. While I was inside the box loud music was played again and somebody kept banging repeatedly on the box from the outside. I tried to sit down on the floor, but because of the small space the bucket with urine tipped over and spilt over me.... I was then taken out and again a towel was wrapped around my neck and I was smashed into the wall with the plywood covering and repeatedly slapped in the face by the same two interrogators as before.

I was then made to sit on the floor with a black hood over my head until the next session of torture began. The room was always kept very cold.

This went on for approximately one week. During this time the whole procedure was repeated five times. On each occasion, apart from one, I was suffocated once or twice and was put in the vertical position on the bed in between. On one occasion the suffocation was repeated three times. I vomited each time I was put in the vertical position between the suffocation.

During that week I was not given any solid food. I was only given Ensure to drink. My head and beard were shaved everyday.

I collapsed and lost consciousness on several occasions. Eventually the torture was stopped by the intervention of the doctor.

I was told during this period that I was one of the first to receive these interrogation techniques, so no rules applied. It felt like they were experimenting and trying out techniques to be used later on other people."

5.

All evidence from the ICRC report suggests that Abu Zubaydah's informant was telling him the truth: he was the first, and, as such, a guinea pig. Some techniques are discarded. The coffin-like black boxes, for example, barely large enough to contain a man, one six feet tall and the other scarcely more than three feet, which seem to recall the sensory-deprivation tanks used in early CIA-sponsored experiments, do not reappear. Neither does the "long-time sitting"—the weeks shackled to a chair—that Abu Zubaydah endured in his first few months. "


This article makes clear, then, that about two and a half months after he first woke up in US custody--so probably shortly after mid-June 2002--the US was experimenting on Abu Zubaydah, testing out various forms of torture to see which worked best and left the fewest marks.

Understand what this means: the torturers were conducting their experiments on Abu Zubaydah before John Yoo wrote up an OLC memo authorizing torture (hell--Yoo may have excluded those methods they had decided were ineffective and that my be why they told Abu Zubaydah there were no rules). The torturers were conducting their experiments with the intimate involvement of those back at the White House getting briefed and approving of each technique. And the torturers were being videotaped doing so.

Those tapes--which in this context sound like a tool in their experimentation more than anything else--are the tapes that CIA destroyed in 2005.

Which I guess makes my question from a few weeks ago all the more pressing. Who watched these torture tapes?

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Link: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/15/the-abu-zubaydah-experiment/#more-3775

Mother... Fuckers...

:argh:

:puke:

:nuke:

:mad:

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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:55 PM
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1. Rage! this is what I feel reading about this and the
bunches of other crimes by the ( * ) mal-administration.
I don't understand why the rest of US citizens are not standing up for what is right.
Is it because they are so brainwashed that these folks are not human? or because 'it ain't me', or that the listen to the spew by limpd k and o liely?
Perhaps I am more sensitve because I was bullied as a kid/teen?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:56 PM
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2. Here's The Whole Read... 'US Torture: Voices from the Black Sites' by Mark Danner
US Torture: Voices from the Black Sites
By Mark Danner

Link: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:36 PM
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5. And...
<snip>

...

So there are secrets and secrets. And when, on a bright sunny day two years ago, just before the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, the President of the United States strode into the East Room of the White House and informed the high officials, dignitaries, and specially invited September 11 survivor families gathered in rows before him that the United States government had created a dark and secret universe to hold and interrogate captured terrorists—or, in the President's words, "an environment where they can be held secretly questioned by experts"—he was not telling a secret but instead converting a known and well-reported fact into an officially confirmed truth:

"In addition to the terrorists held at Guantánamo, a small number of suspected terrorist leaders and operatives captured during the war have been held and questioned outside the United States, in a separate program operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.... Many specifics of this program, including where these detainees have been held and the details of their confinement, cannot be divulged....

We knew that Abu Zubaydah had more information that could save innocent lives, but he stopped talking.... And so the CIA used an alternative set of procedures. These procedures were designed to be safe, to comply with our laws, our Constitution, and our treaty obligations. The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively and determined them to be lawful. I cannot describe the specific methods used—I think you understand why...."


I was watching the live broadcast that day and I remember the uncanny feeling that came over me as, having heard the President explain the virtues of this "alternative set of procedures," I watched him stare straight into the camera and with fierce concentration and exaggerated emphasis intone once more: "The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorized it—and I will not authorize it." He had convinced himself, I thought, of the truth of what he said.

This speech, though not much noticed at the time, will stand, I believe, as George W. Bush's most important: perhaps the only "historic" speech he ever gave.
In telling his version of Abu Zubaydah's story, and versions of the stories of Khaled Shaik Mohammed and others, the President took hold of many things that were already known but not acknowledged and, by means of the alchemical power of the leader's voice, transformed them into acknowledged facts. He also, in his fervent defense of his government's "alternative set of procedures" and his equally fervent denials that they constituted "torture," set out before the country and the world the dark moral epic of the Bush administration, in the coils of whose contradictions we find ourselves entangled still. Later that month, Congress, facing the midterm elections, duly passed the President's Military Commissions Act of 2006, which, among other things, sought to shelter from prosecution those who had applied the "alternative set of procedures" and had done so, said the President, "in a thorough and professional way."

...

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Link: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:56 PM
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6. And...
<snip>

Far and away the greatest damage, though, was legal, moral, and political. In the wake of the ICRC report one can make several definitive statements:

1. Beginning in the spring of 2002 the United States government began to torture prisoners. This torture, approved by the President of the United States and monitored in its daily unfolding by senior officials, including the nation's highest law enforcement officer, clearly violated major treaty obligations of the United States, including the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture, as well as US law.

2. The most senior officers of the US government, President George W. Bush first among them, repeatedly and explicitly lied about this, both in reports to international institutions and directly to the public. The President lied about it in news conferences, interviews, and, most explicitly, in speeches expressly intended to set out the administration's policy on interrogation before the people who had elected him.

3. The US Congress, already in possession of a great deal of information about the torture conducted by the administration—which had been covered widely in the press, and had been briefed, at least in part, from the outset to a select few of its members—passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and in so doing attempted to protect those responsible from criminal penalty under the War Crimes Act.

4. Democrats, who could have filibustered the bill, declined to do so—a decision that had much to do with the proximity of the midterm elections, in the run-up to which, they feared, the President and his Republican allies might gain advantage by accusing them of "coddling terrorists." One senator summarized the politics of the Military Commissions Act with admirable forthrightness:

Soon, we will adjourn for the fall, and the campaigning will begin in earnest. And there will be 30-second attack ads and negative mail pieces, and we will be criticized as caring more about the rights of terrorists than the protection of Americans. And I know that the vote before us was specifically designed and timed to add more fuel to that fire.<16>


Senator Barack Obama was only saying aloud what every other legislator knew: that for all the horrified and gruesome exposés, for all the leaked photographs and documents and horrific testimony, when it came to torture in the September 11 era, the raw politics cut in the other direction. Most politicians remain convinced that still fearful Americans—given the choice between the image of 24 's Jack Bauer, a latter-day Dirty Harry, fantasy symbol of untrammeled power doing "everything it takes" to protect them from that ticking bomb, and the image of weak liberals "reading Miranda rights to terrorists"—will choose Bauer every time. As Senator Obama said, after the bill he voted against had passed, "politics won today."

5. The political damage to the United States' reputation, and to the "soft power" of its constitutional and democratic ideals, has been, though difficult to quantify, vast and enduring. In a war that is essentially an insurgency fought on a worldwide scale—which is to say, a political war, in which the attitudes and allegiances of young Muslims are the critical target of opportunity—the United States' decision to use torture has resulted in an enormous self-administered defeat, undermining liberal sympathizers of the United States and convincing others that the country is exactly as its enemies paint it: a ruthless imperial power determined to suppress and abuse Muslims. By choosing to torture, we freely chose to become the caricature they made of us.

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Link: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:03 PM
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3. A lot of these techniques were used by the Chilean and Argentine juntas
including the crouch boxes, waterboarding and being shackled in contorted positions for long periods.

This was part of the CIA-sponsored Operation Condor that targeted leftists throughout Latin America during the 1970s and 1980s.

This isn't exactly new.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:15 PM
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8. Repeated or prolonged waterboarding causes anoxia, destroys brain cells, erases memory
Edited on Sun Mar-15-09 02:28 PM by leveymg
What was novel about the torture of Abu Zubaydah and the three other principal Al Qaeda detainess was not the methods but the apparent purpose: repeated waterboarding and “psychic driving” (prolonged sensory stimulation and deprivation) (Google “Dr. Ewen Cameron”) results in erosion of memory, not accurate recall of details. The techniques applied to this select group of 9/11 planners were not used to extract information or even to punish the detainees. The purpose was the same as the results - to erase and rearrange memory. See,

Democratic Underground - Binyam Mohamed was one of five men linked …WHAT THE CIA DOESN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT ABU ZUBAYDAH Posted by leveymg in General Discussion Mon Dec 10th 2007, 12:32 PM . …
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 04:45 PM
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11. The first two links didn't work. Really thank you for the research/
Dedication. :thumbsup:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:27 PM
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4. I'm sure the Justice Department will get right to the bottom of this
Right?

Oh, my bad, Obama and Holder haven't yet had time to get around to it. Let's give it a couple of years, shall we?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:00 PM
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7. Does anyone doubt that Cheney and Bush watched those videotapes?
I, for one, do not.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:23 PM
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9. I'm guessing they get the sadists from the prisons that
they have 'stock' in. Eh Cheney?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:29 PM
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10. I am sure the dick watched them
and rummy as well. Disgusting.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 05:43 PM
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12. It was the only way they could get Mr Happy to stand up.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:27 PM
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13. Kick !!!
:kick:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:29 PM
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14. K&R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:16 PM
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15. Last Kick From Me...
:kick:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:20 PM
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16. I want Dick Cheney to go through exactly that. Of course he would last about 2 minutes
before he spilled every piece of info he has. Not a bad idea.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 10:53 PM
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17. I think we should keep GITMO open
It's the perfect place to keep georgedickrummykkkarlyoogonzo et al. They'd be off of our soil, close to
Fidel ;-) and the guards are already well versed on the thing they have been doing so well.



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