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BluePatriot21 Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:13 AM
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Who's to blame for economic crisis?
Listening to Cheney only blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank he repeats the same mantra I've heard over and over. But who is to blame for all of this? Right wingers never mention anyone other than the usual ACORN, CRA and Frank and Dodd like they are programmed with this mantra. But who else on either side of the aisle holds a piece of the guilt pie?

If you had to do a percentage of guilt, what would be the top 3 of the ones listed below, feel free to add any names I may have omitted.

CRA?
Fannie and Freddie?
Barney Frank?
Chris Dodd?
Lindsey Graham?
Clinton?
Bush and Cheney?
Wall Street firms? Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers etc
AIG?
Media Outlets?
Mortgage Banking lenders?
The war in Iraq?
Defense Spending?

Does anyone know, is the Dodd and Frank argument really valid at all? In defense of CRA and Fannie and Freddie are they at fault to the extent that they are blamed? From what I understand about them, they are there to protect against racial lending practices of the white man, and they are not FORCED to wrote loans to people.

Let's say the total in bad assets is 100 trillion, what is the amount that the CRA and Fannie and Freddie have in that total, 1 trillion?
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:15 AM
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1. my top three culprits
deregulation
privatization
selfish greed
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:16 AM
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3. Yep.......
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:49 AM
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8. And of those, the first is most important.
Regulation can serve to keep the other two in check.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:10 PM
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16. I'd add a fourth: gutting social services
Which they've been at basically since the New Deal
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:16 AM
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2. I thought it was 100 gagillion?
Phil Gramm is your answer.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:19 AM
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4. Republican ideology
The last time Republicans had complete control of both Houses and the Administration was during the "roaring twenties" Anyone remember what happened to the economy then?
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:23 AM
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5. The cumulative history, momentum, and complexity of a few thousand years
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:30 AM
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6. The conspiracy theorists
predicted years ago that evil masterminds Chris Dodd and Barney Frank would crash the global economy and drain the US Treasury.
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BluePatriot21 Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:48 AM
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7. lol
good one, I'll use that as my excuse too.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:56 AM
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9. Let me take a shot in the dark here.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:58 AM
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10. actually, you'd be wrong on that one...
this shitstorm was in the making long before he came along.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:05 PM
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11. I don't agree.
Even if some of the damage can be traced back to the actions of the Clinton admin. or the Congress during that time or earlier actions, those problems could have been greatly mitigated by competent management during the Dumbass years. Every policy has unintended consequences and no policy can be throught to be the final word on a subject. Bush's failure to see the obvious and make necessary corrections is what really sunk us.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:06 PM
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12. you seem to think that bush was actually in charge the past 8 years...
:rofl:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:08 PM
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15. Let's put it this way.
Allowing others to be in charge does not let him off the hook. It was his job to be in charge. If he couldn't handle it (big surprise there!) he should not have run for office. Al Gore would not have allowed this to happen.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:07 PM
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13. Irrational exuberance
:nuke:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:08 PM
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14. Ronald Reagan and his shitty Reaganomics.
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 12:13 PM by anonymous171
The whole "whatever is in the shareholders' best interest is in our best interest" business model turned out to be one big scam.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:10 PM
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17. Our Elected Officials
None of this mess would have ever happened if our politicians weren't so much on the take from the financial and corporate elites. THEY are ultimately responsible for this mess because too many of them are not just on the take but actually believe in the Friedmanite horse manure of "free markets" and privatization.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:13 PM
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19. You're so polite!
Friedmanite horse manure of "free markets" and privatization

It's horse SHIT

Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:14 PM
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20. And the voters who didn't want to hear any bad news. nt
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:13 PM
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18. Where do you think the buck stops? n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:14 PM
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21. Anyone who lobbied for, or voted for, financial deregulation. (nt)
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:17 PM
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22. BushCo and their co-conspirators owned all levels of govt for eight years, MOL.


They could have taken measures long ago to avert an economic catastrophe.

It was their greed and ineptitude that brought us to where we are today.

They turned a record budget surplus into a record budget deficit with ease.








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