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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:06 AM
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Cenk @ HP: What Did Geithner Know and When Did He Know It? & Jane Hamsher Joins Cenk To Discuss AIG
Edited on Wed Mar-18-09 11:52 AM by ihavenobias
VIDEO: Jane Hamsher of Fire Dog Lake .


By Cenk Uygur

There are now about when Tim Geithner knew about the AIG bonuses. The administration says he found out last week. But Congress (and obviously the administration) knew of plans to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses last fall. There was an SEC filing to pay $469 million in "retention payments" to AIG executives in November of last year.

How could Geithner not have known about any of this? He'd have to be the only one in Washington that didn't know. More troubling is his earlier instance, especially during the stimulus package fight, that these companies be able to pay bonuses without much limitation.

Look at from February 9th in the New York Times that explains how he fought against pay caps -- and won. How is this not completely his responsibility?

For him to pretend to be surprised now when he actively fought to make sure bonuses were not limited is disingenuous at best.

Finally, another interesting question is -- why? He claims it's because these banks couldn't keep the best and the brightest talent otherwise. That seems laughable, but he might have actually believed it because he has been surrounded by people who have internalized this idea for so long.

But let's consider one other possibility first.

Robert Rubin played ball with Wall Street and helped them to deregulate a lot of these financial markets right before Clinton left office. He then conveniently went to work for one of those banks and collected a whopping from Citigroup for sitting on their board for a period of years. Does Geithner know this is the reward for loyalty -- to the banks?

Probably his motivation is less sinister. So, let's return to the idea that seems so absurd to the rest of us who do not work on Wall Street -- that the bankers are so uniquely talented that the system cannot function without them.

Tim Geithner has been buried deep inside the for many decades now. And inside this bubble there is a tremendous sense of entitlement. They feel that these people are so bright and work so hard and that the financial industry is so complicated, that no one else can do the job. That we need these bankers and that they deserve all the money they get. That the system couldn't run if these bankers didn't get all this money for their incredible expertise and service.

The reality is that there has been no accountability for a long time on Wall Street. . There is no owner to fire them if they screw up, now that all of these large banks are publicly owned. So, their main concern is their own bottom line. And they have convinced themselves that they are of paramount importance -- and no one has fired them to disabuse them of this notion.

So, Geithner is under the same delusion as all of the people in his subculture -- that they are essential. That they must be paid huge salaries and bonuses whether their firms go up or down, because they are priceless...

to read the rest of this piece.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:43 AM
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1. Hell, people were screaming to attach strings 5 minutes after the bailout was announced. K&R
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:49 AM
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2. People were begging for some kind of safeguard for the taxpayers money,
before they gave them the first bailout. But, with the bushit and co. in power, they refused to do it.

It was out right theft.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 12:15 PM
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3. Make sure you also check out the Jane Hamsher interview above the article.
Interesting stuff!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 12:20 PM
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4. so geitner is a crook along with dodd and frank...big deal, like there wil be any prosecution
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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 12:52 PM
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5. k&r
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 01:09 PM
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6. So, did Obama drink the "Too Kool for School Aid" as well? Why did he pick a bubblehead?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 02:16 PM
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9. Honestly, I think he got caught up in the post-partisan stuff.
He didn't want to appear "liberal" by picking a brilliant progressive, like Joseph Stiglitz. His economic team has disappointed me from the start, and this just confirmed my fears.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 01:19 PM
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7. Has Cenk discussed "DEEPCAPTURE" Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne's reporting
on the rigged system between those who caused the economic crisis and the financial media who instead of playing watchdog, help their Wall Street buddies? I would love to hear what he has to say about Bryne's reporting. I watched Jane talk about dumping Geithner yesterday so this clip should be interesting!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 03:09 PM
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10. No, I don't believe he has.
But it's only Wednesday.

:)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:26 AM
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14. ha, exactly - there's always another day to tell it like it is! :) going good, later! eom
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 01:54 PM
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8. K&R
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:58 PM
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11. K & R!
:thumbsup:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 09:44 PM
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12. K&R
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:12 AM
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13. K*r This situation is just awful

Excellent commentary. This all goes back to the meeting at the NY Federal Reserve - Oct or so with
Paulson, the NY Fed, and other Fed personnel. The one "interested party" was the CEO of Goldman.
Since that meeting determined what would be done for AIG and Goldman had a huge interest in AIG getting
cash, it was a clear conflict of interest and the beginning of the current cycle of disgrace.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:19 AM
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15. "NY Fed" means Geithner. He was there as president of the NY Fed.
n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 01:30 AM
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17. Indeed it does. The meeting was at his place.
And you never just drop in in NYC, you're invited to come over. Goldman was very special that
day.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 08:47 AM
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16. >>So, Geithner is under the same delusion as all of the people in his subculture
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 08:49 AM by tbyg52
Bingo.

Edited because I cannot even copy and paste.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 01:59 AM
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18. kick
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