How Long Before the "Concerned" Demand Mandatory Child Safety Seats in Cars?

[Blackhatjack]

Oh that's right -- Child Safety Seats in Cars are Mandatory! And just like seat belts they save lives every day.

Some people believe that they ought to be free of any kind of government regulation even if that regulation has a proven effect of saving lives.

[cali]

1. sorry, the comparison is just off

skiing does not pose the same dangers as automobiles do. Not even close. Furthermore, studies have shown that helmet wearing by skiiers does NOT cut down on skiing related deaths- though it does indeed reduce skiier head trauma if the skiier is traviing at 17 miles per hour or less.

[Blackhatjack]

3. Sorry but the comparison is on target ... both involve activities posing a risk of injury...

You want to make a list of activities which is prioritized on a risk basis and tell us where the dividing line is?

Where there is risk to life and limb and the government has a legitimate interest in protecting its citizens' health and welfare.

Even hockey and football players refused to wear helmets when first introduced, but now they are mandatory .....

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Show me ANY activity that does not pose a risk of injury.

Ten minutes ago I re-strained my finger pulling out my keyboard drawer.

I said 'ow'.

I don't need any fucking nanny state.

BTW, are football helmets mandatory when you are playing touch football at the church picnic?

Didn't think so.

[cali]

13. taking a shower is an activity with risk. Far more people die from

slipping in the shower each year than from skiing. I suppose you want to mandate that everyone who showers has to wear a helmet.

[hfojvt]

14. uh, the government, at least in theory

is supposed to serve the citizens, not 'rule' them, even if such rule is supposedly benevolent. Hockey and football players are part of a league, not wearing their helmets as part of society.

The question is whether the safety nannies have a legitimate interest in forcing everybody else to give in to their fears.

[snooper2]

2. :)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. luv it!

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Personally, I resent the nanny state telling me what to do with my own body and interfering with the

decisions I make about my family's health and safety.

My son was born prior to child seats in cars and helmets for riding bikes and skateboards. Why does the government have the responsibility to save lives of those riding bikes, but not to save lives by offering medical care to all? Will the government provide organ transplants to all who need them? We know that transplants save lives.

[Political Heretic]

5. Yes, some people are idiots.

We knew that already.

[AlCzervik]

6. motorcycle helmets aren't mandatory in some states.

[FiveGoodMen]

7. Was this post motivated by anything in particular?

[BlooInBloo]

9. Presumably a spat in another thread where the poster was getting deleted/pwned...

And so he/she ran away crying and started his/her own thread.


EDIT: Just a guess, though.

[Blackhatjack]

15. I posted the OP here and I have not had a post deleted/pwned... Waiting Your Apology...

Just decided to smear me by guessing the worst? Just because we might disagree on an issue under discussion.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Ah - it was spillover from some skiing-helmet-injury thread.

[Blackhatjack]

18. Hey, you got any character? I am still awaiting your apology....

What you stated was not true --and you either knew it or was too lazy to investigate on your own which would have shown it was untrue.

[BlooInBloo]

19. What the hell are you talking about? I explicitly said it was a guess...

There's nothing to apologize for with guesses. Guesses aren't assertions, no matter how much you whine.


EDIT: And in any case, until I see the thread you were in, I can't conclude the guess was false. But even if it is, there's nothing to apologize for.

[Blackhatjack]

20. To follow your logic... "guesses aren't assertions" ... then you would not object to my saying...

anything no matter how horrible or untrue about you as long as I precede it with "I guess.." Right?

You made the assertion -- you point out the thread that is evidence to support your assertion. (But save some time... I have not had a post deleted)

[BlooInBloo]

21. No, I did not make an assertion. I made a guess, explicitly marked....

I'll leave you to your whining now.

(It is funny, however, since I actually agree with you - I think - on the original underlying matter. :rofl: )

[Blackhatjack]

23. I guess you were just ignorant of what constitutes an 'assertion'... here is a definition for you

According to dictionary.reference.com :

as⋅ser⋅tion   /əˈsɜrʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation
–noun 1. a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason: a mere assertion; an unwarranted assertion.
2. an act of asserting.

[BlooInBloo]

24. A serviceable definition. And I didn't do that. And explicitly not.

[Blackhatjack]

25. The truth is when put to the test, you could not offer any proof to support your untrue assertion

A little advice ... next time, when you post something that is not true, and you are challenged to provide proof that it is true, just admit you were wrong. It is that easy....

[BlooInBloo]

27. There was no assertion. I'm not sure why you keep saying there was....

Other than just to whine.

EDIT: So I guess I just answered my own wonder.

[LostInAnomie]

8. There is a big difference.

The skier is only responsible for their own safety. The parent with a child safety seat is responsible for a dependent without the knowledge to assess their own safety.

[hfojvt]

12. Well

Having driven my bicycle something like 20,000 times over 25,000 miles without head injury, then yes I would object to the government forcing me not only to buy, but to wear a helmet.

Sure, such a proposal might save a few lives and prevent a few severe injuries, but it would also be an imposition and burden to millions of people whose lives were not being saved.

My bottom line is, if it is my life, nobody on this planet is more concerned about my well being than myself, and being long past the age of 21, I concede to nobody the right to make decisions about my life based on concern about my well being.

I am against mandatory child seats and seatbelt laws too. I think many of the people pushing for those laws are those that manufacture or sell the products and a big part of their 'concern' is for their own bottom line more than it is for my well being.

[NeedleCast]

22. Well Said!

[Blackhatjack]

16. IT is always a matter of degree as to what regulation Govt will impose for safety purposes...

There are many business owners who vehemently hate OSHA because inspections require them to spend money fixing their safety equipment, correcting safety hazards, and having to shut down their operations long enough to be inspected.

Once the manufacturing plant has a fire, and all the fire escape doors are locked, and people die --it is too late.

You live in a democracy where the courts interpret the law in such a way as to balance the interests of the parties as it comes to regulatory impositions.

[anonymous171]

26. No Victim, No crime.

Fuck the Nanny State. It's just a police state with guardrails.