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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:57 PM Original message |
The real problem with education... in the US |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Anti-intellectualism underlies a great many problems in our society |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Of course it does... it affects all areas of life |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Well, that's because it's the teachers' fault. Duh. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Nah, you extended the discussion, and that is fine |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Yes indeed |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. It is a tool of social control |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I want my Nat Geo back! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. don't you get the Ants channel? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. Blame religion and culture. That always works. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. So tell me, the Scopes Monkey trial had nothing to do with |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. The "cultural values" of Tennessee are not the cultural values of the nation, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. The egg head in the school will get harassed problem is not limited |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. How do we fix such a problem then? What is your solution? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. We need to start fighting this general culture |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
39. That is exactly why we home school |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. My high school was an exception |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. That is a very interesting perspective. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. I agree, kids who are eggheads in school are usually not the popular kids. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. When was that again? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You are aware that Kansas tried to ban the teaching of evolution |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Maybe you should have brought that up instead. |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Ahhh the Monkey Trial. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. "the general culture" BINGO! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. So how do we change it? Until we do |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. One step, one person, one action at a time. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. We do, that we do |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Right, and we focus more on the younger ones, with open minds and hearts. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. personally, we solved the problem for ourselves by not having kids. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Thanks--that means that you did our kids a favor! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. you're welcome. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Our "kids" have feathers... thank the Navy |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. adoption probably isn't an option for us... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. That was nuke testing... you didn't have what it took |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. for the most part, i think that was for the best... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
19. it seems to me you favor more schooling |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Thanks for proving my point and making education a bad thing |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. I made education a bad thing? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Yes you made FORMAL education evil |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. That's not what he said. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. but formal education is not the same as education |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Here is the rub... this country, the zeitgeist, is against any formal |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. I didn't get that from his post. |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. who cares? Our football team has a good chance of going to state this year.nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Again, thanks for making my point |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
43. The ones who don't go pro still have a chance of becoming rap stars |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. And you keep making my point |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. I've been making similar points for years,. American youths are plagued by inappropriate role models |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. football team? What about March Madness? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
27. Of course you realize this means we all have to take responsibility and quit blaming others. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Yep, that's the case |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
44. propaganda and rewriting history to the PNAC gang's satisfaction |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Nope, yuo are not |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
45. Then it sounds like the time to get rid of the one-size-fits-all |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Public school works |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Obviously it has to be federal |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. You realize that right now we don't have a federal system |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
46. It's the numbers game ... |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
50. How do you change it? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You start by taking away local control |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. I agree with what you are saying. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. USA: We have low taxes -- and the schools to prove it. n/t |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. you've hit the nail on the head |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
59. Maybe it is the adults that are morans and need to start listening to the children |
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threadkillaz (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
63. They don't teach you how to start a business. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
64. Agreed, although I'd suggest corporate culture has led to a deep sense of anti intellectualism.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. This goes to the early republic, well before corporations |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
66. I agree mostly |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yup. You are right, IMO. And as usual, I see a lot of negative responses from people who refuse |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
69. Let's just refuse to accept responsibility for our lives, behaviors and everything |
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