Every time everything isn't perfect - should Obama's admin get attacked?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

I mean, really now. GROW UP. What on this planet is perfect? Are those of you criticizing everything, are you so perfect? I'll bet you aren't. And is there no such thing as fixing things as they go along that some of you have to be upset every second?

Some people in here, any time everything isn't perfectly the way they want it, they start to do one of these: "AHAH! I KNEW IT!!!"

I reeeeeally would love to be a spy on those people's lives and see just how frikkin' perfect they are. I'll bet their lives are a frikkin' mess.

I agree that as Obama moves along he'll have to modify his cabinet and the people he's put in posts. What else is there to whine about?

Sorry, but I'm tired of this AHAH! reaction whenever EVERYTHING isn't 100% perfect. After living through the FASCIST government of Dick and Bush, NOBODY should be the least bit upset when everything isn't 100% perfect in the Obama administration. They should be kissing Obama's feet. He's done more to fix this country in the tiny amount of time he's been in office than anyone has done in decades, so stfu please.

Thanks for listening and sorry for the rant but it just pissed me off.

[saltpoint]

1. I think so, yes. And not just regarding governmental policy.

I feel condemnation of the Obama administration should be swift and pervasive, and inclusional of one's daily activities.

If the dishes pile up in the sink, it's likely Obama's fault.

Fleas on pets? Blame the president.

Cockroach infestation? Lay the blame at Obama's feet. He's too inexperienced to be in that job anyway.

and right on down the list. Electronics glitches, rainy afternoons, inefficacious meds, dusty knick-knacks, sour cream, global famine, the Cubs' relief pitchers, etc.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. I don't hear any applause for the good he's doing? Am I going to hear it any time soon? nt

[saltpoint]

6. Look, Sarah, all I know is we opened the refrigerator this morning

and we were OUT OF CREAM CHEESE.

Who but Barack Obama could be responsible?

- - -

I voted for the man with all my heart and he still has my loyalty and attention and affection. I want him to succeed comprehensively. He's a landmark president and a global uplift.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. LOL! I'm with you. :) Hey, I want Geithner out too, but I think Obama is the BEST president we

have had in DECADES. Far better than Clinton so far from what I'm seeing.

[saltpoint]

8. Agree -- I can defend Clinton against the Ken Starrs and Hannitys etc but

I think Obama is the wider ranger.

[notesdev]

2. Nobody is asking for perfect

We asked for "hope" and "change", not for the essential continuation of Bush administration policies on the economy, on the war, and so on.

For example, one of the big reasons I voted for him twice was because he promised to get us out of the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of coming through on that, he decided to stick with the Bush slow-withdrawal policy in Iraq, and incredibly to double down in Afghanistan (and there are rumors of ramping it up to 400,000 troops)!

So my complaint is that voting doesn't seem to change a damn thing, even if we do throw out the cretins and replace them all.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. Yess... we're asking for perfect by making snide, sarcastic, cynical remarks instead of...

asking for example, to remove Geithner. Don't you think I'm right?

[notesdev]

12. The asking to remove Geithner

has already been done. Apparently the brand new messes he's created are a 'heckuva job'. That's when it becomes insulting, and the snide comments come out.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. I know. I'm for petitions, e-mails to the WH, etc.

I am most definitely NOT for accusing Obama of being another Bush, OR refusing to acknowledge that the man has done TREMENDOUS amounts of good within no time at all.

I don't like Geithner either, but I think accusing Obama of being another Bush is like accusing me of being Hitler. It's simply INSANE. :)

[elocs]

20. I may have missed it, but when did Obama promise to get us out of Afghanistan?

:shrug:

[jody]

5. IMO voters should attack every president who declares "mission accomplished" and facts disprove that

claim.

To restate Truman's guideline for presidents, "The Buck Stops Here".

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. Voters should be critical and demand modifications of an administration

HOWEVER, what I'm hearing instead is sh*t like, "OH IT'S BUSH ALL OVER AGAIN!" and "THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE GW BUSH ADMINISTRATION!" And even, "OH WE COULD'VE HAD A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND HAD TO ENDURE THE SAME SH*T."

Stuff like that.

Comments like that are bullshit, and they need to be addressed, so I'm addressing them.

[jody]

14. So, address them already! Obama promised transparency & accountability and that means accepting

responsibility and criticism when what a president promises does not occur.

Truman also observed "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" and IMO that certainly applies to any occupant of the Oval Office.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. Look, I am a hyperactive person and I also want everything done yesterday....

You should see me at home and work! However, please give some time to things! Sheesh! And what about the great things Obama, in the tiny amt of time he's been president, has already done? Are those shit that they don't deserve to be mentioned?

Look, all I'm saying is, write a letter a day to the WH if you want, start petitions, but please, everyone who's falsely accusing Obama of having another Bush WH needs to stop their bullshit rants. Since they aren't stopping, I'm addressing those bullshit rants right now.

[jody]

17. Agree re "falsely accusing Obama of having another Bush WH". Voters however and their elected

senators and congresspersons have an obligation as responsible citizens to oversee every move made by the executive branch of our government.

I wish more voters had done their duty during the previous administration and perhaps we would not have some of the problems we have today or the problems we have would be less severe.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. I think we did fight against the previous administration, but too many people

are/were ignorant and went along with Bush no matter what he did. The rest of us tried. There is only so much that can be done against a fascist government that has sheeple applauding it at every turn.


:argh:

[FLAprogressive]

10. Nobody ever asked for perfection....just a little progress

we still have an administration filled with neocons and wall street shills.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. Then it will be modified and all of us need to ask for that...

But SOME are accusing Obama of being another Bush, and that's bs and I am addressing those comments.

[Enrique]

24. I know about the Wall St shills

but does he really have neocons? Even Bush got rid of most of his.

[MadBadger]

38. The fact that you see no progress is pathetic.

[TankLV]

16. Yes - I woke up with a stomach ache today - so I'm now only listening to rush and fux...

damn obama...

[KittyWampus]

18. I'm not asking for perfection. Re: the Economy, Team Obama has put those who intentionally

created the current crisis in charge of "cleaning it up". And I put cleaning it up in quotes to try and emphasize that I don't believe that's their intent at all.

IMO, they're still concentrating on funneling tax dollars to criminals, allowing those who NEED to lose money to not do so and allowing those who engaged in illegal financing to get off the hook.

Team Obama is not investigating criminal behavior and will not fundamentally change corporate or finance culture.

They will go the same route we went after Silverado, BCCI, Enron etc.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. Fine. We need to encourage him to do that via e-mails, petitions, etc.

However, we need to:

(1) APPLAUD the man for all the good he's done in the 2 1/4 months he's been in office.
(2) STOP accusing him of being another George W. Bush.

[Turbineguy]

19. Yes he should

we have to help Rush.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. You would think some people in here work for Rush LOL! nt

[rrneck]

21. Obama isn't another Bush

but we need to stay on his ass anyway. Politicians respond to the pressure of the electorate.

They knew about those bonuses all along. They are using public outrage to solidify a mandate. It's our job to constantly tell them what we want them to do.

As with any population, some folks will go over the top. Politicians expect that. The Republicans turned the creation of extremists into a cottage industry. The difference is voices like yours that are willing to tell them, "hey kids, cool it." That's the difference between them and us.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. I'm with you that we need to stay on his ass and every other Dem politician's

We do need to give the man a compliment now and then too, tho. He *IS* doing a lot of great things.

[rrneck]

36. Absolutely. nt

[LWolf]

22. His administration should be attacked as long as he is in office

and I will continue to do so, right along with the rest of the dlc/newdem/3rdway/center-right democrats that I consider to be the enemy of the party and the nation.

When he abandons the dlc/newdem/3rdway/center-right agenda for one left of center, I'll quit attacking.

Of course, I've held this same position about Obama and ALL dlc/newdem/3rdway/center-right democrats for many years.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. Look, I hate the DLC, but Obama is no GW Bush, and he's not even a Clinton

Clinton was more right wing than I'd like to think of any Democrat. I see Obama as having reversed a LOT of things Clinton NEVER would've. Sure, we have to keep on Obama's butt so moves to the left, but we also need to compliment the man now and then, and stop accusing him of being just another GW Bush.

[LWolf]

34. Of course

he's not GWB. Why is it that so many people can't see beyond the 2-dimensional "either/or" fallacy that drives politics? A politician doesn't have to be GWB, or a republican, to be wrong.

I don't see him as very different from Clinton, though. I never have.

I've complimented him a few times, when he says something I can get behind. Wanting a bigger dog, lol, and something a little more substantive: his remarks about learning second languages in school, which he took some heat for from xenophobic America. I don't hate the man; I'm just not a supporter of his political agenda or policies, and I'm not going to pretend any differently.

[noamnety]

35. Agreed. We have an obligation to be vocal in our criticism

when he acts in ways that are deserving of criticism or when his team is considering legislation that is harmful.

[Enrique]

23. actually people are giving him a lot of slack

he isn't really anywhere near 100% perfect, but he still gets very good approval numbers and people cut him slack they don't cut for any other politician.

Which is good, imo. :toast:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. I think he's a great man.

Surprisingly, I do criticize him when need be, but he's awesome and never deserves to be compared to that asshole GW Bush.

:yourock:

[tonysam]

25. It is NOT Asking for Perfection. Any Politician Worth a Damn

is going to be criticized; Obama is a politician after all, not a messiah.

And there are serious problems concerning his economic team. They can't be ignored or wished away.

[scarletwoman]

32. "They should be kissing Obama's feet." Wow. That tells me all I need to know about your political

sophisticaton.

Pardon me while I totally ignore anything you have to say about "growing up".

:eyes:
sw

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. ....

:spray:

[Hansel]

37. Apparently.

To be fair, I think there are people on this blog who are being paid to create chaos here. Their objective is to damage Obama, prevent reasonable discussion that might increase support of his agenda, and demoralize his supporters. Especially while Obama is attempting to mobilize his supporters for that support. That's the Republican way.

It would be naive not to believe that at this point in time that there aren't a larger share than usual of trolls on here pretending to be progressives concerned about Obama not doing the right thing and explaining that it's our responsibility to hold his feet to the fire every time he breaths. I call BS. The GOP is in dire straits and it's all they have left.

Anyone on here calling people who support this president Kool-aid drinkers has got to make you go hummmm. Yah, it's fair to criticize the president. But there seems to be an obsession in doing so and too much name calling of anyone who supports him. There also seems to be a larger than usual number of people on this board that don't understand nuance. There is a whole big dichotomous mindset lately that makes this sight seems more like Freeperville, than DU.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

39. Oh I know. There are Republicans in here. And there are DLCers, and they're right wing nt

[TexasObserver]

40. While I generally agree with you, I also feel dissent is always appropriate.

I disagree with many who are finding fault with Obama, or who want him to do more, or less, or different. However such dissent is natural.

I see the president as a person who must paint with a broad brush, who cannot meet every need, and who must always maintain a level of popular support. Those restrictions automatically mean the president cannot agree with us all the time.

I am generally happy with his work, and believe there is no silver bullet, no magic potion or incantation which will suddenly make this all better. We're like a guy who wakes up from a bad accident in a body cast. Like him, we might as well accept this is a long, tedious, painful rehab before we recover fully.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. I'm with you. For ex., I've written the WH about Geithner - the letters get counted....

and he's provided with the # for, against, etc. Some letters are given to him. All are read by aides and some are summarized. Etc. One letter from one person with an opinion is counted as representative of 100 people holding that same opinion.

[Runcible Spoon]

41. I don't get how you can rail against Krugman RE: "free trade" but then...

berate people who are "whining " about the administration's neoliberal economic "solutions"? How does that work?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

46. The reason we're currently in a depression, is world trade, OUTSOURCING every

frikkin' job in the U.S. to other countries, the U.S.' money goes only out and out and out and out, and you're DOUBTING world trade has something to do with this? Oy vey

[Runcible Spoon]

50. Err, re-read.

I am trying to figure out how you can cheerlead Obama when he is clearly following the neoliberal trend of "free" trade and at the same time you have some problem with Krugman? :shrug:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

51. Because Obama is the most liberal we're going to get right now -

This isn't a country that can go socialized in one day, or one month, or one year, or even a decade. I'm pushing for it, and what we get is feeling like a gift to me after 8 years of Republican fascism. Kucinich hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell. This country is always too right wing, too ignorant, and too uneducated to go for someone more to the left of Obama. But I'm pushing for it. I live, however, in TERROR that we will destroy the most left guy we've gotten and help the FASCISTS get back in power. You have no idea how that terrifies me.

[Runcible Spoon]

54. How does pushing for leftist ideas include mindlessly protecting Obama?

It is the leftists who are pushing him right now, as it should be.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. I guess I expected to have Repukes for the rest of my life

So you BET I feel protective!

[kiva]

42. Kissing his feet? Really?

And NOBODY should be the least bit upset about anything in the administration? :wtf: No wonder the GD:P is having a massive case of civil unrest.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. Kissing. Well maybe not his feet.

You have the right to disagree and write him and demand a change. You do not have a right to be saying that he's like the previous president, an idiot and his puppeteer who ran a FASCIST government and ran us into the ground.

[earth mom]

43. I'm not perfect and I don't expect perfection. But I most certainly didn't sweat out the * & Cheney

nightmare, to see such little "hope" or "change" that I'm seeing from the Obama administration.

So don't you dare to tell me to stfu!

FYI-Obama was elected to office to work FOR the people. If he and his administration are doing a crappy job-WHICH THEY ARE-it's the people's duty to call them on it.

If you don't like that, too damn bad. I will continue to speak out and you can stfu if you don't like it! :grr:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. Ok ok I take back the stfu. I just don't want him compared to the * and the dick nt

[earth mom]

52. Objecting to what Obama is doing does not put him in the same boat with * & Cheney.

* & Cheney are both sociopaths! There's a helluva huge difference between them and Obama!


The thing about Obama is that he is a politician to the nth degree.

He only cares about what's on the surface, how he looks and who likes him.

His campaign and presidency has been nothing more than a popularity contest instead of being about doing the right thing by the people of this country.

Look how Obama has done nothing but kiss up to the corporate bastards who got us into this fix in the first place. While at the same time, he goes on the Tonight Show to win public opinion/approval and to prove he's some kind of cool cat, which only backfired on him because of a careless and hurtful comment he made.



If Obama really wanted to put that "hope and change" he hyped during his campaign into action, he would not have picked the cabinet he did and he would not continue to excuse Geithner.

Not only that but

Where the hell is Dean or RFK Jr in that cabinet of his?

What about health care and global warming?

Neither of those issues is being given the kind of attention that is needed by Obama to make good and lasting change.




I suggest you take your blinders off.

Criticism of Obama is NOT about some sort of political contest between the dems and the rethugs.

But rather it's about getting Obama to stop playing politics and start doing the right thing for the good of the people, this country and this planet.

[anigbrowl]

48. Definitely. Row Row Fight Da Powah!

C'mon, I gots to get my revolutionary kicks somehow.

[leftofthedial]

49. yeah! we should all just shut up.

if he wants to make the economic mess worse instead of better, who are we (and the odd Nobel laureate economist) to express our opinions?

I can see how it must piss you off.

(How about if things are only 5% perfect? Can we moan in pain then, or should we just STFU until he hits 0%?)

[lonestarnot]

53. I'm sick of that CNN bullshit.

[leftofthedial]

55. who said anything about "perfect"

I don't think anyone here has "perfection" (whatever that is) as a standard.