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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:47 PM
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The Next AIG Scandal? Michael Hersh of Newsweek
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 02:51 PM by PM Martin
"The firm's problems may extend to its 'healthy' insurance side."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/189917
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:49 PM
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1. That's Michael Hirsh, but an interesting piece nonetheless.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:57 PM
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2. You say you want a re vo lution, well you know...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 02:58 PM by Fovea
This story alone should make for an interesting Monday.
If the 'good' side of AIG goes down, the world economy will not stay afloat.

Two things here.

Years ago on this very board, I talked about globalism creating corporations that had become more powerful than states.
Not all that long ago I said that Obama would have to become F.D.R. and then some.

Welcome to our new command economy.
Brought to you by George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney.
By the time this is over, the Ruble will have been fully convertible for half a decade and the dollar may not be.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:58 PM
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3. you really need this in the OP
But I suspect that—with apologies to a famous American patriot—we have not yet begun to get outraged. At least if some of the insurance experts I've been talking to are correct.

Thomas Gober, a former Mississippi state insurance examiner who has tracked fraud in the industry for 23 years and served previously as a consultant to the FBI and the Department of Justice, says he believes AIG's supposedly solvent insurance business may be at least as troubled as its reckless financial-products unit. Far from being "healthy," as state insurance regulators, ratings agencies and other experts have repeatedly described the insurance side, Gober calls it "a house of cards." Citing numerous documents he has obtained from state insurance regulators and obscure data buried in AIG's own 300-page annual reports, Gober argues that AIG's 71 interlocking domestic U.S. insurance subsidiaries are in hock to each other to an astonishing degree.

Most of this as-yet-undiscovered problem, Gober says, lies in the area of reinsurance, whereby one insurance company insures the liabilities of another so that the latter doesn't have to carry all the risk on its books. Most major insurance companies use outside firms to reinsure, but the vast majority of AIG's reinsurance contracts are negotiated internally among its affiliates, Gober says, and these internal balance sheets don't add up. The annual report of one major AIG subsidiary, American Home Assurance, shows that it owes $25 billion to another AIG affiliate, National Union Fire, Gober maintains. But American has only $22 billion of total invested assets on its balance sheet, he says, and it has issued another $22 billion in guarantees to the other companies. "The American Home assets and liquidity raise serious questions about their ability to make good on their promise to National Union Fire," says Gober, who has a consulting business devoted to protecting policyholders. Gober says there are numerous other examples of "cooked books" between AIG subsidiaries. Based on the state insurance regulators' own reports detailing unanswered questions, the tally in losses could be hundreds of billions of dollars more than AIG is now acknowledging.

One early sign of trouble came when Christian Milton, AIG's vice president of reinsurance from 1982 to 2005, was convicted last year in federal district court of conspiracy, securities fraud, mail fraud and making false statements to the Securities and Exchange Commission. (Milton was sentenced in January; his lawyers have indicated plans to appeal.)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:16 PM
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6. Where do you think the money went, leftchickerina?


We could be talking millions er billions er trillions er quadrillions.

And who do you think could pull off that kind of job?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:04 PM
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8. Is This a rhetorical question Mr. Fish?
I believe we all know (at least some anyway) by now all roads of Taxpayer Rip Off and Monumental Destruction lead to the BFEE with Old Poopy still having his hands into everything. Our modern day Capo.

did I do good? :)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:00 PM
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4. Had fun with that one a few days ago...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 03:01 PM by BlooInBloo
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:06 PM
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5. Ok, does anyone in the Administration know this?
Have they been keeping stuff from us?

Argh.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:47 PM
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7. This all makes me wonder What do they know that they are keeping
from us, it seems to me there is a whole lot we are not being told.
LOTS I m sure...
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