Cleric in U.K.: 'All homosexuals should be stoned to death'

[ccharles000]

Nice to know that Anjem Choudary also believes that adulterers deserve the same fate. At least he's consistent.
All homosexuals should face stoning to death, a Muslim preacher of hate declared yesterday.
Anjem Choudary, the firebrand cleric who wants to see Britain ruled by Sharia law, said such a regime was the only way to fix the country's ills.

Under it, adulterers and homosexuals would be killed by stoning. Asked if that would include anybody - even a Cabinet minister such as Business Secretary Lord Mandelson - Choudary responded with an astonishing diatribe.

And lo and behold, here comes the bestiality remark.
He said: 'If a man likes another man, it can happen, but if you go on to fulfil your desire, if it is proved, then there is a punishment to follow. You don't stone to death unless there are four eyewitnesses. It is a very stringent procedure.
'There are some people who are attracted to donkeys but that does not mean it is right.'

What's hysterical is that The Daily Mail exposed the hypocritical cleric's boozing and toking past:
Yet a week ago, the Daily Mail exposed fundamentalist Choudary's student days when he was pictured swigging beer, cavorting with women and puffing on a cannabis joint - offences for which he would be lashed and stoned under his version of Sharia law. Yesterday he sheepishly confessed:
'Yes, I was not always practising Islam. Certainly in my student days I was not a practising Muslim.'

http://www.pamshouseblend.com

[MrModerate]

1. That four-eyewitness rule should protect anyone except the . . .

Orgiastic set.

Not that I think we should discriminate against orgiasts. Clearly Choudary is a sack of shit who'd look best under the wheels of a bus.

[Aristus]

17. The problem with Shari'a is that a man can lie about being a witness, and the Shari'a judge

will accept his word over the word of a woman. Boom!: instant stoning...

Same goes with the crime of rape under Shari'a. There must be at least two witnesses to the crime ( a tenet originally set up to protect women) but the rapist can lie about committing the rape, or claim that he was helpless against the victim's "evil seductive powers", in which case, the rapist is absolved and the victim is stoned to death.

Just another way in which evil men pervert the Qu'ran, which was meant to be an instrument of liberation of women from the tyranny of male domination.

[MrModerate]

28. As an atheist, my official position is that all religions . . .

Are equally fraudulent. Some religious *expressions,* however, are clearly more malignant than others.

[Toucano]

2. It has been so long since I've had a good donkey.

It's a daily struggle, of course. They're always coming on to me, the little sluts!

You're never really "cured", you're just in recovery for the rest of your life.

mmm...sweet, sweet donkey!

[ccharles000]

4. lol

[MattBaggins]

6. Leave Donkey alone Shrek

I knew there was an hidden meaning in that movie.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

3. "Youthful Indiscretion" in 3...2...1

Go stone yourself Anjem.

[ccharles000]

5. kick

[sufrommich]

7. Apparently you need to quote a southern christian preacher

to generate outrage at homophobia here on DU. As an atheist, these nuts all fall from the same tree as far as I'm concerned.

[ccharles000]

9. I agree

[BoneDaddy]

10. Absolutely

I find it very curious how easily some people on the left will condemn Obama preacher picks but will defend Islamic fundamentalist whack jobs.

[Bluebear]

15. Do cite how someone on DU condemned Obama's preachers then "defended Islamic whackjobs"

Or is this another full o' shit post?

[Bluebear]

20. .

[BoneDaddy]

38. Sorry, I actually have a life

and truthfully have no desire to waste my time finding proof for you, as it would most likely be ignored by you anyhow ... you do the search, as I am sure you will find plenty of examples.

The tone in DU is often much more focused upon the irrational beliefs of fundamentalist Christians and justifiable so I may add, while often ignoring, minimalizing or rationalizing fundamentalist Islamic behavior in an attempt to be multiculturally sensitive, oftentimes defending the reprehensible because of the history of Christian hegemony. Both are wrong in my book.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

31. "Defended" and "did not condemn" are not the same thing.

I haven't seen anyone on DU *defend* this guy, but there are far fewer people lining up to condemn him than there would be if he was a Christian; a lot of people are just keeping quiet.

[BoneDaddy]

39. I think I was taken out of context

I think this person needs to be condemned but I was speaking more to the overall tone of DU when it comes to criticizing Islam in general. There is a HUGE imbalance in what amounts to legit criticism when discussing Fundamentalist Christianity and Islam.

Way to often, people rationalize Islam while keeping a razor sharp criticism of Christianity. I think both are highly irrational belief systems, but there seems to a pass given to Islam for some reason. Maybe it is an appeal to extreme multicultural sensitivity or that Islam has often been on the defense or at the receiving end of Christian persecution or some other reason, but many liberals will defend Islam while battering Christianity.

I was not speaking about this person specifically, but you are right. The silence speaks volumes.

[LeftinOH]

8. The Brits (and other Western Europeans) have the kind of immigration problems

that we can't imagine: Some well established, home-grown radicals with a **very** non-European outlook. I'd take our own fundy wingnuts over their wingnuts any day.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. Our fundies aren't established, though.

People like the guy in the OP are far, far nuttier than the likes of Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson, but they don't have anywhere near the level of support.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. Danger level = (nuttiness level) x (support level) -- makes sense. -nt

[HillWilliam]

32. Theeeeeeeee hell.

Our wingnuts are just as malignant, just as spiteful, and given the cover of darkness, just as violent as their wingnuts. Having grown up gay in the south, I can tell you just a bit about their "ministry". Let me tell you about the time they burnt a cross in my partner's yard. Let me tell you about the beer bottles thrown at my windshield, the bricks thrown at me, and how many times I've had to whup ass or have my ass whupped. Our fundies are just as violent and crazy as theirs, don't kid yourself. They are the very reason I keep a shotgun in the house.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. Though this whack-job was born in the UK:

At 39, Anjem Choudary should be a symbol of success for his peers. Born into the working-class family of a market trader in Welling on the outskirts of London, he has risen - thanks to the opportunities offered by the British education system - to become a qualified lawyer.
...
This week he stood outside Westminster Cathedral in central London to call for the execution of the Pope as punishment for 'insulting Islam'. He fulminated against Pope Benedict XVl, adding: "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

It's a long way from his days as a medical student at Southampton University, where, friends say, he drank, indulged in casual sex, smoked cannabis and even took LSD. He called himself 'Andy' and was famed for his ability to drink a pint of cider in a few seconds.
...
"He would say he was a Muslim and was proud of his Pakistani heritage, but he did-n't seem to attend any of the mosques in Southampton, and I only knew of him having white girlfriends. He certainly shared a bed with them."
...
In 1996, aged 29, he married Rubana Akhtar and started a family. The couple, who settled in East London, have a daughter aged eight, and sons aged six and one.

Then he met the cleric Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed at a mosque in Woolwich. Bakri, who is now banned from returning to Britain from Lebanon, had formed Al Muhajiroun, committed to the creation of a worldwide Islamic state, and Choudary quickly became a leading light in the group and its successor organisation, Al Ghurabaa.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367406-details/The+unholy+past+of+the+Muslim+cleric+demanding+the+Pope%27s+execution/article.do

He's showing the zeal of the 'born-again'. He's also an expert self-publicist, and knows he gets more publicity, the more outrageous the stuff he says. The Wikipedia article is fairly well foot-noted, and shows he spouts crap constantly, while claiming positions that make it sound as if he heads real organisations.

[Matariki]

12. throwing rocks. literally throwing rocks. like monkeys.

i don't get it. when do we, as a race, finally evolve?

[Orrex]

13. What's the big deal?

Just last week my town stoned a woman to death because she failed to sequester herself during menstruation.


You kneejerkers really need to get with the times.

[KamaAina]

16. Doesn't Britain have hate speech laws?

:grr: :banghead:

[mwooldri]

21. Good question for the House of Lords on this...

Is sharia hate speech or religion or what?

I know this: European Court for Human Rights has ruled sharia incompatible with democracy.

Mark.

[ForrestGump]

33. Yep

Unevenly applied, according to many. It can be tough to separate old-fashioned British xenophobia and racism from legitimate grievance, but it sounds to me like the government is more sensitive to protecting the rights of gits like this one than they are in extending the same courtesy to others among their population. The impetus for this, if it is actually true, may well be the Brits in charge kowtowing to wealthy Saudis and others of similar origin and circumstance.

Boy, I'm glad that we never had a government that groveled to the Saudis at the expense of their own citizens!! Phew!

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. The offence of hatred about sexual orientation is a pending part of a law bill:

Let's take homophobia more seriously

For the last 33 years, if I opined publicly that black people should be murdered I would be prosecuted. Yet only last week former lawyer Anjem Choudary said at a London press conference that gay people should be "stoned to death". He remains unchallenged by the law.

This is why Jack Straw is right to add a clause to the coroners and justice bill that would make "hatred against persons on grounds of sexual orientation" an offence. The clause would remove the get-out-of-jail-free card currently available to protect those who try to incite violence against gay people.

But judging from the response you would think that Straw's clause was revoking every word of the Magna Carta and the European convention on human rights in one autocratic swoop. A report entitled What We've Lost, produced by the UCL student human rights programme, in collaboration with the Convention on Modern Liberty (whose partners include Liberty, Amnesty and the Guardian), cited the coroners and justice bill as one of many recent legal erosions of our civil liberties. But while they are right to argue that this law will "affect the freedom of expression", they are wrong to oppose it. For if this clause is blocked, then surely the laws against the incitement of racial hatred should be revoked.

Here we see the ugly underlying belief that gay people do not deserve the same protection as racial minorities. What we have, though, from the opponents of this bill is not an admission of this hateful sentiment, but a hysterical projection that the clause would mean no one would ever be allowed to make a gay joke ever again.

Rowan Atkinson spoke to the Lords last week about the "culture of censoriousness" that the bill would create, while admitting that it wouldn't impinge on his own liberties. "Do I think that I would risk prosecution because of jokes or drama about sexual orientation with which I might be involved if we don't have the free speech clause? Not really." Previously Atkinson spoke out against similar legislation for the incitement of religious hatred: "To criticise a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous but to criticise their religion, that is a right. That is a freedom." But in rightly making the distinction between race (a matter of genetics) and religion (a matter of choice), why lump sexual orientation in with the latter by opposing hatred legislation in these two cases? Are they both matters of choice to Atkinson?
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/24/hate-speech-rowan-atkinson

[marshall]

18. Had to check in to see if he was Christian or Muslim

Although I guess his hatred is pan-religious.

[slackmaster]

35. I didn't have to check - The fact that it happened in the UK was enough of a clue

Muslim fundamentalism is out of control in that country.

[Sultana]

19. deport the SOB

Europe must clamp down on these crazies, multiculturalism is good when immigrants integrate and it is bad when the refuse to.

[Critters2]

22. Choudary is a nutjob. nt

[ColbertWatcher]

23. This is disgraceful. n/t

[BreweryYardRat]

24. Muslim fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalists.

Two sides of the same bad penny.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

30. I would say this post is evidence that you're wrong.

There *are* Christian fundamentalists as nutty as most Muslim fundamentalists, but - especially in the west (African Christians are often nuttier) - not many of them.

Their nuttiness just looks bigger, because it's closer up.

[tkmorris]

25. Might be more useful to stone all the clerics to death

How 'bout them apples?

Note: No clerics were harmed in the making of this post. Post is intended as satire only, poster intends no actual harm to clerics or others resembling clerics. Offer not available in all states. Your mileage may vary.

[ForrestGump]

36. Sounds like he's already had experience with being stoned

I'm wondering when the donkey pictures will surface. It may well be that every man now and then craves a piece of ass, but few of us actually act on it.

[woo me with science]

26. Backward savage. nt

[buckshotdad1960]

27. Think about it!

What are you doing listning to muslims?

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!

Give me a rock! LOL

[leftynyc]

29. Is this clown a citizen of the UK?

If not, they should deport him.

[slackmaster]

34. Gotta love the "Religion of Peace"

:argh:

[ForrestGump]

37. It's not Mohammed's fault that this nutcase's

Peace Train got derailed.