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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 06:37 PM
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I advocated single payer in my sermon Sunday,
and today I visited one of my crotchediest ol' Republican parishioners. Someone I enjoy one on one in social settings, but we just avoid politics. So, I was surprised when he said "You were right in your sermon Sunday. We have to take care of the poor, and the best way to make sure it's done is to get rid of the insurance companies. Not just AIG, all of 'em. They only care about themselves, while 45 million Americans go without." I mean, this guy used to be a local office holder, very active in the GOP.

Maybe the revolution is beginning?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 06:43 PM
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1. It would be nice to hear/read what you said to convince such an old fart. n/t
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 07:38 PM
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4. I don't preach from notes or a manuscript (or even a teleprompter :) )
but here's what I said, basically:

I was watching "Sicko" recently. I hadn't seen it before, but, having worked in health care consumer advocacy, I know all the arguments, so was just kind of half watching while puttering around the house. But I sat down and started listening when they were interviewing a Canadian citizen, an elderly or late-middle aged gentleman, because, as I listened, I realized that he was describing Reformed Covenant Theology perfectly--the things we've been saying we believe for like 500 years, but not always living out very well.

When asked why Canadians have, and like, universal health care. He said that, in Canada, any politician not supportive of universal health care would be voted out of office. That alone made my ears perk up, but then he said more...he said it's the responsibility of those who have enough to take care of those who don't. He pointed out that they're members of the community, and it's just the right thing to do to care for them. To this gentleman, it seemed as obvious as the nose on your face that we are called to care for the poor.

I found myself thinking about all the arguments against universal, especially single-payer universal health care, which I fully support. The argument given is that the bureaucrats will muck things up so that you'll have to wait too long to get care. You'll have to wait too long. You realize, I hope, that what they're doing is trying to scare you...with the threat of death. You'll have to wait too long. Too long for what? Well, when we're talking about healthcare, the implication is that you'll die if you don't get it "on time". The health care industry, the insurance companies, the hospitals, the drug companies, all the entities that are afraid of what might happen if the poor are provided with health care are trying to hold a big gun to your head. "Keep the poor out of the system, or else!!".

I thought about that all week, as I studied the text for this morning. It's one we all know: God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life". The healthcare industry and others want you to believe that, if we provide care for the poor, if we follow Jesus' admonition to care for the least of these, you'll die, tangled in the bureaucratic red tape that will surely ensue. We sit here in worship, believers, knowing a deeper truth.

The term "eternal life" isn't just about life after death. It's about being in touch with the eternal here and now. In the Gospel of John, the Greek term has an immediacy to it, a NOW feeling, that has nothing to do with waiting til after we die. It's about being so in touch with the deepest truths of the universe that we realize we have nothing to fear. Once we have this deep, mystical knowledge of the truth, we are freed to really tackle the hard work of building the kingdom Jesus calls us to, without worrying about the minor frets along the way: what "they" might think, whether we can afford to do this work, what might happen if we let everyone in. Once we take seriously the call to follow Jesus, those worries cease to be, and simply doing the right thing becomes central.

And doing the right thing means relieving the worries, the fears of everyone. We keep the poor out of our health care system, and subject them to the fear, even the threat, of death, due to our own fear of death. Surely, this is not the way to solve this problem. As Christians, we believe there is enough--enough grace, enough love, enough peace, enough food and shelter and healthcare for EVERYONE!! We must not let our fears cause us to hoard these things, and thereby increase the fear and need in others. There are whole systems in place telling us to do that, but we can stand up to them

We believe. We have life abundant and eternal. We have no reason to fear. So, we can be generous with everything else we have. We can look the forces of fear and death in the face, and know that they have no power. We can embrace life, and see that everyone--those different from ourselves, the poor, the 45 million Americans who'd like do see a doctor--everyone is able to do the same.






Some here will be offended by how Christian it is. But I'm a Christian. Whatcha gonna do?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:04 AM
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5. Excuse me, but ...
... if they're in a Christian church and they're offended by a Christian sermon, well, I don't know what to say.

My favorite part of SiCKO was also with the Canadian fella, except it wasn't anything he said.

It was the look of absolute disbelief on his face when he was told about the American man who had to choose which of his fingers he'd get to keep.

(I can't seem to find a link)

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:07 PM
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14. Actually, I thought DUers might be offended.
And yeah, that look spoke a million words!
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:13 PM
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18. I'm not a Christian and I'm not in the least offended
I'm just non-religious. I think there is a lot of value to the lessons of Jesus Christ but I have some major hang-ups with the organized aspect of religion. To me, it promotes "group-think" and critical thought is shunned and frowned upon. But I digress -

You hit the nail on the head and should be commended for speaking up in the manner you did. In my area of the country, if a minister spoke up in that manner, he would have been run out of the pulpit immediately by the GOP Gestapo and the ignorant.

I'm proud and I fervently wish there were more like you in the world.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:17 PM
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19. Well, preaching a liberal sermon in a UCC pulpit
ain't the bravest thing one can do. Preaching this in a fundie pulpit, THAT would take courage!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:48 PM
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22. Well, I don't understand why people post in threads that would offend them.
I've never understood that.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:18 AM
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7. That is beautiful, and I am so glad it is reaching people's hearts.
You do good work. :hug:

Hekate


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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:12 PM
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16. Thank you very much, Hekate. I try. nt
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:27 AM
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12. I am not a Christian and I am not offended.
You have taken what Christians believe and made it clear to them that they're not necessarily living up to what Jesus has asked them to do. I actually find hope for the turning of the tide by reading what you have written. You can speak to those who believe in a way I cannot - I don't know your language. I thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for what you have said to them.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:12 PM
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15. Thank you, Delphinus. I'm humbled by your kind words. nt
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:16 AM
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13. That was brilliant. I can see fundies sputtering already!
They spout platitudes about love and grace, but show no evidence of it whatsoever.

Thanks Critters!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:13 PM
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17. Yeah. There've been some pretty bad things done in the name
of Christianity. Some of us are trying to take it back.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:54 PM
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21. Wow....this is good
You really put the issue into understandable terms. I can understand how this could sway some feelings. I wish I could be as persuasive in showing the truth.

I don't formally attend any church, but if I knew this type of sermon was being presented. I would be more likely to attend.

Excellent!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 06:53 PM
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2. I'm with CW. Tell us what you said and maybe send it to the White House.
I've been using the email contact on the WH website on a regular basis trying to talk up single payer health care, but the administration is still only listening to the corporate health care providers, mainly the insurers
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 06:54 PM
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3. Thank You For Advocating And Sharing Despite The Opposition
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:06 AM
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6. Good news. We just have to speak common sense to power.
Most Americans are good, gentle, loving and compassionate. We just need to set an example and speak out for what they want in the depth of their souls -- to be good, gentle, loving and compassionate.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 05:25 AM
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8. Heartwarming! n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:02 AM
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9. That must have been one heck of a sermon!
Any chance of filming it for youtube?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:16 AM
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10. Nice work, Critters2.
It's time to take back Christianity from the haters. Christ preached love and healing ALL of the sick, not just those with the gold plated health insurance cards.

Our current system locks out not only the poor but also some of the people who need health care the most, the sick. Unless you have good insurance provided by your employer, it is next to impossible to get one of those wonderful insurance companies to sell you insurance at all if you have a serious health problem. Imagine Jesus ignoring the poor leper pleading to be healed and moving on to the wealthy merchant because he has the money to buy a cure.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:22 AM
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11. Let us pray.
Seriously. I hope the tide is turning. The insurance companies are waking up, as evidenced by a Yahoo story yesterday (Insurers offer to stop charging sick people more):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090324/ap_on_he_me/insurers_sick_people

but it's not quite as cut and dried as it seems. There are people out there who uncover the bullshit and it won't be long before it happens. The M$M won't pick up on it, but once you learn it, you can continue to educate, in lots of ways, the truth of the matter.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:22 PM
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20. Well done, Critters2!
I read your post detailing what you said and I can't see how anyone, regardless of how they feel about religion, could take offense.

We ARE all of one community and need to help those who are less fortunate, universal health care helps us to help them.
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