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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:56 AM
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Poll question: The single most important thing to do to address our current economic problems is:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:04 AM
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1. Kill Capitalism
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:35 AM
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27. no thanks. I want it regulated. I want a mixed economy
I don't want to kill small "c" capitalism. And I sure as fuck don't want the government running everything.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:11 PM
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39. "I don't want the govt running everything" is a rightwing talking point
But then you know that
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:09 AM
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2. I don't know. Do you? nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:42 AM
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11. I go with demand-side stimulus
and the hope that the current corrupt banking system burns to the ground.

But do I *know*? :shrug:

I know throwing money at Wall Street is a waste of that money. I believe it will make our problems worse, not better, no matter how many of Geithner's buddies it makes happy.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:10 AM
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3. And give $$ to disabled & retirees on pensions
Not just tax breaks to working people. Because the disabled and retirees are the poorest people, who are always overlooked because they don't make enough (if any) money to file tax returns. These are the people who will spend it on basic necessities, injecting the money into the economy immediately.

And it also reflects well on our society, not forcing seniors to eat Alpo.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:28 AM
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18. Thanks for remembering the invisible.
This country's obsession with focusing only on the "middle class" and "working people" is leaving millions in poverty - without any realistic hope of change.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 AM
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34. Those already in poverty (including tens of millions of working poor)
are left out of the American dream altogether.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:18 AM
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4. Distribute the wealth of the top 1 percent to those at the bottom.
Just think of how many families could be lifted from poverty with the AIG bonuses alone.

This, coupled with job creation and defining growth with sustainable metrics and working toward that sustainable definition.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:37 AM
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28. yeah, fuck that pesky constitution. Just seize the assets of the top 1%
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:13 AM
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35. There are constitutional means to accomplish that goal
1. Increase progressivity of income taxes
2. Reduce taxes on income from work and increase them on passive income
3. Maintain the estate tax
4. Vigorously enforce antitrust laws
5. Reform the tax code to eliminate tax shelters and schemes to avoid taxes using off-shore accounts

Over time, these will make a significant dent in wealth inequality.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:20 AM
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38. We could eliminate the bloody loopholes that the top hedge fund operatiors used...
For example, to bring home BILLIONS each last year alone.

:patriot:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:19 AM
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5. I agree with Obama. It's a combination of all three things. Jobs,
the banks, & the building of infrastructure & education to build the future. Any one alone is at vest a temporary fix.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:24 AM
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6. How's about simply stabilizing the economy and trying to calm
everyone down? For now I'd appreciate it if the goal was a semblance of normalcy. Then we can start on the big ambitious stuff.

Also, these huge swings in the stock market don't help much. We need the uptick rule ASAP simply because it tamps down volatility.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:33 AM
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24. simply?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:27 AM
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7. stop offshoring jobs; bring offshore jobs back to America
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:50 AM
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33. jobs are key.
and the key to jobs is demand-side stimulus.

For thirty years, we've been funneling trillions upon trillions into supply-side stimulus. Now we see the result. We need to move those trillions back into the demand side.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:29 AM
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8. Let it die a natural death, and all the cancer will go with it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:39 AM
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29. and so will hundreds of thousands of the most vulnerable among u.
and the "cancer" is human nature, no just a specific politica./economic system.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:29 AM
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9. single-payer universal healthcare should at least be a part of it.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:34 AM
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19. I like this idea. We need to start getting rid of privatization in every form it takes. n/t
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:21 AM
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23. Would that include the private interests of the few hundred governments around the world?
For example, only a portion of the 300 million people in the US, out of the 6.7 billion people total on the planet, being able to elect the most powerful politician, could be considered a form of privatization.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:34 AM
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10. Stimulate demand, by redistributing wealth from the top 1% to the bottom 99%.
More money in the pocket = more money to spend on products/services.

More products/services demanded = increased production levels to meet demand.

Increased production levels = more and more people hired to ramp meet those production levels.

Everybody wins. People have more money and more jobs, and the rich are still rich.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:43 AM
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12. I agree.
the root, unsustainable problem is the criminal concentration of wealth.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:47 AM
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13. I agree, but I fear that's a war I will not live long enough to see won.
This country is deeply corrupt on many levels, and they are powerful. I'm frankly surprised Bush Jr. didn't signal the "crossing of the Rubicon" as far as this Republic goes. He was not far from imposing a permanent corporatist dictatorship in the name of "national security."
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:53 AM
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15. I'm pretty down on Capitalism these days but I don't know where
Socialism works. Switzerland? Lately, I've been really bummed about money and greed. I work my ass off every day to pay my bills and we all get so stressed out at work. Something just doesn't seem right. All I really want is peace of mind. I have very simple tastes.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:19 AM
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16. There's no pure socialist economy out there.
An economy with something like single-payer health insurance, public works programs, public ownership of roads, rail, and communication lines would be considered a mixed economy if it also came with private ownership of capital. What a lot of people are saying is maybe the US could use a bigger dose of socialism than what it currently has.

If the federal government established an SBA-like entity to promote and support the spread and development of labor co-ops throughout the land, I think workers would be better off in the long-run. At least they would have a real choice to either work for each other or work for an employer who may or may not care about their well-being. For too many workers, they have no choice. They should have a right to choose.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:51 AM
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14. I say create jobs but...
I do not see a private sector creating jobs. I see a private sector cutting jobs.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:49 AM
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32. Give stimulus to those who create demand (us).
We've been methodically starved for a generation, so it may take awhile.

But until we start participating in our own economy again, nothing else will succeed. My family is about $100K and a meaningful job away from buying a new car, for example.
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:26 AM
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17. Stop the wars and
Cut military spending.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:34 AM
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25. That would save loads o'dough
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:38 AM
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20. Aren't 3 and 5 the same -- Let the system sort itself out?
I see no alternative. What good is stimulation when that's what caused the problem. Just let it fail. Provide a safety net for the unemployed and medically uninsured with the money that is currently being used to bail out failed banks and insurance companies. There's no use propping up something that has failed. Doing that for the last decade is what caused the problem. It just puts off the inevitable.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:01 AM
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21. Let capitalism die ...
it's the brain-dead product of greed.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:10 AM
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22. put people (like me) back to work
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:46 AM
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31. Hear hear!
We need to rebuild our economy from the bottom up, and not allow the same old failed mindset to try to rebuild it from the top down.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:35 AM
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26. First you stop the bleeding
if AIG fails it translates into many hundreds of thousands of jobs being lost, and it pulls down many other institutions and businesses which could otherwise survive. That's what Obama says when he says that the first thing we need to do is stabilize the economy. So his idea is to stop the bleeding in one place while creating jobs in the other. Then he will go to step 2. That might be regulating the corporations and breaking them up. AIG can easily be broken up because there are parts of it that are viable right now, but which would go under if AIG fails.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:45 AM
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30. Really?
Do you have evidence for your claim beyond a regurgitated talking point?

Define "fail." If parts of AIG are viable, they will be spun off and will survive any bankruptcy process.

If regulation is step 2, we will NEVER accomplish step 1.

"Too big to fail" is rhetoric of fear every bit as reprehensible as "axis of evil."
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:26 AM
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36. back your own claims, if you even have any
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:52 AM
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37. bailout $$$ to aig alone would buy 2 million people a $50K/yr job.
so the "saving jobs" argument doesn't quite cut it.

saving banksters' profits.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 04:23 PM
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41. I'm talking about the jobs which would end because of the domino effect
Jobs which are only tangentially related to AIG. AIG wouldn't just take itself down if it fell. That was my point. Any business related to it would fall, and any businesses related to them would fall. The domino effect.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:17 PM
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40. Bottom line: JOBS. n/t
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