Did anyone hear NPR's story on the "quiverful" movement?

[spinbaby]

I heard it on my way to work this morning and find the whole thing rather creepy. "The womb is such a powerful weapon; it's a weapon against the enemy."

Link's here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102005062

[Delphinus]

1. Oh, god.

I can't stand it.

Overpopulation is just one more elephant in the room that cannot be discussed.

[MichellesBFF]

2. Those pople with the 18 kids on the Discovery Channel

Aren't they adherents?

[GoCubsGo]

16. Yes, they are.

One more reason I cringe that they get so much attention. It's giving others that idea. Just what this planet needs--more people to add to the six-plus billion that is already here. Don't these people understand that their "quiversful" make life more miserable for people elsewhere in the world?

[Hannah Bell]

5. It's discussed pretty regularly at DU, & pretty regularly in public for my entire lifetime,

not to mention since Malthus.

[Buzz Clik]

3. A new generation ... that will rebel against their parents.

These people aren't thinking clearly. But give them credit for being fertile. :eyes:

[Warpy]

17. You bet your ass they will

Growing up with a gob of other kids only looks great from the outside. It's not much fun for the kids, who often lack time and attention from the parents and find themselves caring for younger brothers and sisters.

I know in my own family the next generation saw a massive drop in fertility and uncles who saw themselves as the patriarch at the head of a huge table were severely lacking in grandchildren.

Oh, I'm sure some of those kids will probably be robots who will go forth and produce litters, but most of them will be a bit more sensible and limit their fertility to give the kids they do have the best chance.

Their line will be "Gawd has just not blessed us," as they make sure the birth control pill that day is safely swallowed.

[cap]

4. I wish these folks would live by the conservative values that they are touting

aka.... be self sufficient and keep yourselves out of the food bank. Don't be a burden for society.

Oh yeah... no one is talking about what is going to happen to the quiverfulls when dad can't work or dad leaves the family. You've got a single woman with kids and zero job skills.... Welfare has a lifetime max of 5 years. So who's picking up the pieces. Sure Hope grandma pitches in.

[chemenger]

6. "Quiverful"???

I wonder how they came up with that name? Quiver? ... as in the container that holds a bunch of arrows? I don't get it. Do the adherents of this movement view their kids as ammunition to be popped out of a woman's womb; brainwashed to be good, mindless little Christian conservatives; and then shot into the ranks of the godless liberals like a volley of arrows?

Why not name this movement "litterful" or, my personal favorite ... "wombful express."

[Tesha]

11. There's a Bible verse that speaks of "a quiver full of sons".

It's the usual holy-war bullshit that the desert religions
spend so much time upon.

Tesha

[chemenger]

12. Thanks Tesha.

I had no idea where that "quiverful" came from. Weird expression.

[fasttense]

7. Didn't the Octuplet Mom believe the same thing?

"Kelly says that she and Jeff decided that God knew how many children they could handle."

God knew that Nadya Suleman, a single mom on welfare, could handle 14 children. Otherwise, God wouldn't have let those embryos be implanted in her.

Now a days any idiot can have lots of off spring. It's not something to be proud of.

[a la izquierda]

8. My womb isn't a weapon-unless the enemy is

intolerance, hatred, bigotry and greed.

But, go on with your hate, quiverful movement. After all, that's what Jesus would do.:sarcasm:

[HillbillyBob]

9. Im sick of hearing the selfish "I want a big family"

I say adopt there are too many kids that do not have any relatives or ones that care enough to take them in.
I am also tired of hearing "It is my 'right' to have kids" unless you can recycle enough water, grow enough food, it is Not your right to make others do without that are just trying to get by.
These religious nuts need treatment, and if they can't use contraceptives, then maybe (I ll hear about this im sure and Im not even sure that I agree with myself) forced sterilization. As we all know or should know the Eugenics movement sterilized a lot of 'undesirables' wrongly, I might add, because they deemed unfit, for being a different skin color, homosexual, or the wrong political bent.
Look back into the shameful history of some states, NC for one, I know it also happened in Al,WV and MD. I was acquainted with folks that worked in social services in those three states who told me of sterilizations that were done on men and women that were considered retarded. In one case I knew that to be the right thing, a family of learning disabled repeatd incest restulting in 5 more children that were going to be in state care all of their lives.
It is a slippery slope as the rpigs call it.
Really though we are over populated, unless these same flat earthers want to be real pioneers and go off planet..oh wait they don't even want us to explore the freakin Moon...

[juno jones]

15. Just read a fascinating book on the subject of eugenics.

"War Against the Weak" by Edwin Black.

I was surprised to find out that the state with most sterilizations performed in the US was not a southern state but CA.

The problem is that most of these quiverful types are not simply having children because they have no physical or economic choices (the way large families were spawned in the past, for more on this check out 'Poverty and the Indusrial Revolution' by Brian Inglis) but because of a preservation of patriarchal superstion and religion. The 'warrior god' others have mentioned above.


We need to draw the line somewhere. Not giving these freaks publicity and free shit would probably go a long way.

[Tesha]

10. I liked how their Religion Proponent (not "correspondent") balanced Quiverfull's position with...

concerns about overpopulation and how rapidly an average
of 8.5 kids per family brings that about.

Oh wait -- she didn't mention that at all. Just all Quiverful
and their positions for the whole time.

Tesha

[Blue_Tires]

14. +1... This was an ideal moment to have Paul Ehrlich give his thoughts...

It would have been nice if there was even some feminist activist countering the abusive fundie mindset of "My husband has complete control over me, my uterus and our kids because the bible says so -- My only purpose in life is to cook, clean and stay preggers until menopause"

[Blue_Tires]

13. fun quote:

Still, Quiverfull is a small group, probably 10,000 fast-growing families, mainly in the Midwest and South. But they have large ambitions, says Kathryn Joyce, who has written about the movement in her book Quiverfull: Inside The Christian Patriarchy Movement.

"They speak about, 'If everyone starts having eight children or 12 children, imagine in three generations what we'll be able to do,' " Joyce says. " 'We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress, we'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful, and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will.' "
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Joyce needs to die in a fire--That's one of the most laughably ignorant things i've EVER heard a fundie say (and you know she has stiff competition)...I also like the idiot family trying to raise 7 kids on $50,000 per year...Let them have a couple more and they'll lose everything...

[bullwinkle428]

18. I almost drove off the road when I heard that quote, I was

so pissed off! A fitting punishment for these parents, as suggested by others in this thread - most of these kids grow up to be atheist anarchists!! :evilgrin:

[spinbaby]

22. It's like they're connected to some alternate reality

They probably never communicate with anyone who doesn't share their views.

[MineralMan]

19. A la 1960s Reader's Digest: I am Jane's Uterus

I am not a clown car.

[NeedleCast]

20. Yeah...it's a total freak show with the fundies

Even the name creeps me...it's like part of the warriors for Gawd message.

I think the woman they were talking to this morning was at 10 kids and counting. Statistically, at least one of them is going to grow up to be an atheist...hehe.

[DS1]

21. It's "Jesus Camp" selfishness and paranoia

and they have a right to be paranoid, because I for one sure as fuck hate them all.