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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:21 AM Original message |
If my son walked out of a music store with 10 CDs and was caught, there would be legal consequences. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. If you buy pre-owned cds, do you think a part of the seller's proceeds should go to the |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. When people download music, it's |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. i think it might bolster sales. people will hear a song they like and |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. i had an ipod until my son, who after breaking his, asked me for mine as a holiday present. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. It will bolster sales... |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Janis Ian said her sales went way up when she started giving downloads away |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. If I buy a book and make a copy of it and sell /give the copy to a friend |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Fair use |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I'd be interested is seeing a case where making a copy of a book so you can sell/give it |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Not even CLOSE to fair use. |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Not quite right |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. hmm.... I didn't realize the book publishing industry is keeping a lot of the sales as well |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. Uhh...backup copy of a book? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Teachers are doing that now all the time because of budgetary |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Education is considered part of fair use |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Not exactly fair use. There is a specific statutory provision addressing copyring by educators |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Read the first sentence of that pdf. It's all under the broad category 'fair use' |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. my bad. should've been clearer |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. A Lot of Books Used By Teachers Explicitly |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Grossly misunderstood |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Ok. just back tracked on posts re fair use. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. i had teachers who would do that. they would make copies of whole sections of books |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. My sons had teachers who copied whole books. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Oh, SNAP* |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. The again if your son walked out of a music store... |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Kind of sophistry. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I am not saying it is fair.... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Are you claiming no theft was committed? |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. it's tricky. if i go buy a cd from the store and bring it home and put it on my computer |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Technically it IS copyright infringement however the 1992 agreement... |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. what about buying used CDs |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. In all those instances the work was not illegally copied. |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Does this mean that if you disable Uploading on a sharing site |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Correct, you would not be targeted |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I agree. It changes the way I think about it. NT |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Correct however 2 caveats |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. That is true, however, most people never reach a ratio of 1.0 on torrent sites |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. The RIAA Is Destroying The Music Industry |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. +1. nt |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. record companies do provide a service. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. A Limited Role Now... |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. People who buy music are suckers, IMO |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. i buy music if i find something i REALLY like. enough to want to listen to it a lot. |
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empyreanisles (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. Sorry, but music like Jazz or Classical is best experienced on a CD |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. flac - free LOSSLESS audio codec |
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empyreanisles (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. True. But with regards to "official" online music stores, they stick to MP3 |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. Yarr! |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
21. If you go to an art show you get to see all the pictures and you don't have to buy anything. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Cuts to the heart of it doesn't it? |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Once |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. I Very Seldom Download Songs from iTunes but |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. pirated music should be a felony. People would think twice then. |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Possession of marajuana can be a felony |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. And taping baseball games without written permission from the commish! |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yes. He would be in possession of something physical and of high quality. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
49. Ironically, if the penalty for downloading was more reasonable, |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. People aren't being prosecuted for downloading |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
57. In my day we had |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. and what was the quality of those tapes like. |
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