Help me see my failed logic here

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I like to use the following statement.
Is it accurate, somewhat accurate, or not at all?

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How about those "double-dip" retirement guys who retire from the military and are working for a school district or municipality and then have they audacity to bitch about "socialism".
Do they know where they get their retirement and paychecks from?


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[jody]

1. Aren't you equating people working in and retiring from government jobs with socialism? n/t

[cliffordu]

2. Yes. Specious argument, bogus posit., Fail.

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3. well...

...since government controls the means of production for their paycheck money (taxes), I would say yes.

[jody]

6. Have a good evening. n/t

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7. and you also

[Laelth]

4. I wouldn't say your logic is flawed.

I would say that you've chosen bad targets for your anger. I have tremendous respect for both teachers and people who serve in the armed forces. You might be able to find better examples to make your point.

And I do understand your frustration. My father-in-law is a Republican who's retired from FAA. He often referred to "the government" as some kind of evil, external force, never seeming to realize that, in fact, he was the government. He's also a Republican whose entire life and retirement have been funded by "we the people," yet he is afraid of socialism. I think this is called "cognitive dissonance." No matter what you call it, I too find it irritating. By the same token, I have never been able to successfully combat it, either. So, good luck with the argument you're crafting. It might make you feel better, but it's unlikely to ever be persuasive.

:dem:

-Laelth

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5. exactly

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I work for a municipality and guys here bitch about "socialism".
Some of them have never had a private sector job in their life.

[Why Syzygy]

9. Are they bitching about

"socialism" or "welfare"? Having some experience with military retirees, and a son who is career AF, I can speculate that most of them are somewhat over achievers. It may be that their 'failure' is in not holding any respect for alternate life values. IOW, someone without their ambition is 'soft'. The military pours mounds of cash into specialized skills training. My brief stint at AAFES provided more on the job training than any other employer, ever. (with the exception of a technical job)
Advancement is key.

[elleng]

8. Its ok as far as it goes.

What's their definism of socialism? Clearly, the fact that people work for the government, in different jobs, does NOT mean that the U.S. is a socialist country.

'Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. It's Flawed Logic Based On False Premise.

You're equating both forms of compensation with socialism. Neither of the examples are socialism. So on its face, your statement is tragically flawed logically.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. When you consider

the redistribution of wealth for the common good, isn't that what taxes are?

And I'm for anyone who works a long time, earns a pension, and still has more to give. Double-dippers don't trouble me at all, and they are entitled to their political opinions, no matter how inane, but condemning them for legitimately collecting a pension they actually earned, whether in service to the nation or working in the private sector, well, it's their entitlement, and that's where it ends for me.

Even double-dippers from a military background are entitled to be idiots, but you don't really find a whole lot of liberal Democrats concluding twenty or thirty years in the military...............

[izquierdista]

12. Spot on

Socialism is the only reason that some of them join the police, military, or other government agency. They want the benefits, retirement plan, and other perks that come with being able to work for a legal monopoly.