I am hugely irritated..no make that down right pissed. It hasn't even been 100 days rec if you agre

[greenbriar]

and so many people are already talking about wanting to vote for someone else in 4 years.


PEOPLE

we got rid of the worst president EVER and it is going to take some time to clean up the shit pile of messes dipshit left.

Obama made a lot of promises but he has priorities

GIVE HIM A CHANCE to work

he needs us behind him, not criticizing EVERY little move he makes.

I am willing to give him some room to work. IF in 4 years I am not happy, I will decide

but hell let him work. It hasn't even been 100 days and he has already kept more promises in 60 days than dipshit ever did in 8 years

GET a GRIP

[greenbriar]

1. I would also like to say, I do not like his stance on education but I am willing to see

what happens and I am not ready to call for impeachment

people need to calm down

[democrat in Tallahassee]

2. nicely said; thank you. n/t

[SharonAnn]

7. Yes, it takes longer to build things or fix things than it did * to break things.

Just remember that we had * breaking things for 8 years and the GOP Congress breaking things for 14 years.

It's going to take a while, and I'm so glad we're on the right track at last.

I wake up each morning with hope instead of dread in my heart. Really!

Now, there's at least an opportunity for things to improve.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. We have our fair share of Veruca Salt types in our party.

We all would like things to be easy and done right this second, but it took a long time to get us to this point, expecting instant utopia is unrealistic.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

32. And don't forget...

Some of these chuckleheads ain't exactly "in the party", if you get my drift.

In the spring, you never have enough mole traps.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

39. Good one

I got a big fat chuckle out of that one.

Time for some Whack-A-Mole, hmmmm?

[Catamount]

212. Definitely something to remember at all times!

I've had my gripes too--have fallen into wishing we agreed on everything---but it takes a lot of time to undo even just a small percentage of all the shit that's going down in the world--thanks to the shrub and his crew and all the other crazies.

And we are not alone and must watch each others backs--just like you pointed out!

[Captain Hilts]

3. Ignore idiots empowered by the Internet. nt

[L0oniX]

74. Ok ..I'll put you on ignore.

:evilgrin:

[Deja Q]

4. That is an unmitigated truth.

It hasn't even been 100 days and he has already kept more promises in 60 days than dipshit ever did in 8 years

[lostnotforgotten]

5. Bush War Crimes - Fail -- Afghan Troops - Fail -- Appeasing Banksters - Fail

How much slack should any President be given?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

12. Do you take into consideration,

as you so simply condemn Obama, that he walked into a situation unprecedented in our country's history, and, for real, we probably don't know the half of it.

Bush war crimes are so far down on any realistic list of what needs to be done as to be a joke.

I'm not crazy about his plans for Afghanistan, but I am going to trust my President - this one, anyway - and see what happens. I'm not sanguine, but I'm also smart enough to wait and see.

As for the banking mess, I know that no one not intricately involved in it has any clue, so your pronouncement speaks more to your lack of knowledge than anything.

When you started a new job, were you prepared to be fired after two months? And, did you have the hardest job in the world?

[lostnotforgotten]

14. I Take Into Consideration What He Said During The Campaign - Change We Can Believe In

Still waiting for that change.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. And you've waited

two whole months.

Did you remember that it took W eight years to get us into this mess, or are you just being funny?

So, you were a blazing success after two months on a new job? By the time your first kid was two months old, you were a success as a parent, right?

When you started school, did you get your final grades after nine weeks, and if you didn't get all As, were you kicked out?

Get real.

[iamjoy]

28. Eight Years? Try Twenty-Eight

It did not take us eight years to get into this mess, it took us twenty-eight - and every US President from Reagan to Dubya shares the blame. So, yes, that includes Bill Clinton.

We have had almost thirty years of letting the foxes design the hen house while the guard dogs were bribed into ignorance. Dubya didn't help by spending a trillion dollars on an unnecessary war, but he certainly didn't start the fire - he just threw a lot of gasoline on it.

And now we want Obama to put out the fire in two months, but the winds are against him.

I'm not thrilled with everything he's done, but I would be pleasantly surprised if the economy is turned around within 18 months.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

37. I only cited the past eight years,

because I've seen the dearth of historical information and perspective here at DU, and going back to Raygun - I agree with you - is simply quoting something that won't matter.

You're absolutely correct, and I agree with you, but I am vastly entertained by these amateurs who think something as massive as what Obama's taken on is going to be turned around and corrected in sixty days. And, of course, he also should have managed to begin the prosecution of the W. Shrub administration for war crimes.

Obama's at Camp David this weekend, the lazy bastard. Why isn't he working? No wonder NOTHING is getting done ..........

(insert "sarcasm" emoticon here, if you need it ..............)

[alarimer]

44. Well that fails to take into account that the DOJ has supported every single Bush position

in all the trials that are going on. ALL OF THEM. They may close GITMO but they are expanding the prison at Bagram, in Afghanistan, where Taxi to the Dark Side takes (war crimes already committed and shoved under the rug). They're intent is to transfer the prisoners from Gitmo to Bagram, where they will be out of the reach of US law. Not to mention adding more troops to the quagmire in Afghanistan, where empires go to die.

So far the evidence is not in favor of much change.

And of course all the corporate whores in government right now. THAT is not any kind of change I wanted to see. Those fucking assholes are the ones who caused this. Geithner, et al belong in jail themselves. Tax cheats.

[Political Heretic]

222. No, not "every single." But even ONE is too many.

And they have supported several.

[populistdriven]

55. why dont you do something about the biggest failures in the democratic party and those blocking

Obama's change - Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi

[NoSheep]

82. Ding.

[katandmoon]

108. These fools are even bigger failures than Obama. But as long as their

constituents keep voting them into office and their colleagues keep voting them into powerful positions on the Hill, we're stuck with them. They aren't interested in what their non-constituents have to say because we can't vote for them. Just like Obama, who fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a change agent he clearly wasn't. Oh, sure, on some things -- but not enough things. Letting the Bush administration get away with their crimes is MASSIVE fail. Being in bed with the banking industry is another MASSIVE fail. Obama's positions on those issues are not subject to the need for more "time." He's a member of the power elite and when push comes to shove, he acts like it. Time to take the blinders off and realize that he is NOT one of us, he's one of THEM.

[populistdriven]

151. then help us progressives fight and support progressive primary candidates

you don't have to vote to help them

[butterfly77]

154. I see it's Troll city in here today...

NO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HATE OR DISLIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA IN TWO MONTHS!Keep on nitpicking TROLLS its not working!!!What's wrong the polls aren't low enough for you yet...

[Tangerine LaBamba]

173. Thank you .......

Good catch.

Don't these people have better things to do?

I guess not...........

[ckimmy57]

193. Trolling

trolling, trolling. Keep those trolls a movin.

[Jim Sagle]

138. How is Pelosi blocking anything?

[rockymountaindem]

75. Obama also said, repeatedly, that he would add troops to Afghanistan

You can't claim bait-and-switch on that issue.

[defendandprotect]

98. Right . . . it was a bad idea then and it's still an even worse idea now . . .

especially since he's had a closer look at the economy -- !!!

If anyone thinks that we can still afford "Superpower" status and two wars,

they should look at the bankrupting of the Treasury and the state of the economy!

[Brucie Kibbutz]

187. It is more important to them to support doing the wrong thing

than it is to encourage the President to do the right thing. No matter how important the issues are, winning the contest to be declared #1 FAN! is all that matters - even if it means agreeing with Bush cartel policies.

[defendandprotect]

225. Profits over people and the planet . ..

"Poppy" Bush . . .

[polmaven]

186. It has been 68 DAYS!

Did you really think changing the mess he walked into could be done OVERNIGHT?

He is a man...not a genie. He has no magic wand to wave. The change will come...but it has only been 68 days, to clean up a mess that took 2,922 days to create.

First things first. The economy has to be his number one priority, or there will be no country to clean up. Give the guy a chance. Sheesh!

[demwing]

209. Keep waiting

that will help

[Mojorabbit]

29. I learned a long time ago

that politicians are people and I have never fully trusted one. I am not about to start now. To be elected president one ends up beholding to a lot of interests that are not the best interests of the people. I am hoping for the best but now IS the time to make noise if it looks as though we are getting shafted. He can't afford an open rebellion from the left. We can't wait another eight years for action on climate change or health care or energy independence .

[Tangerine LaBamba]

36. Well, then, if,

after sixty-plus days, the President hasn't fulfilled your expectations, I think you probably should start an uprising and do everything you can to remove him from office.

I wish you luck.

[Mojorabbit]

48. I am not expecting any big

accomplishments till the first two years have gone by. I am watching his actions right now and I had no expectations from him. He is one kabillion times better than what we might have had. Still, now is the time to make sure the important things are begun to be put in action instead of watered down to nothing or our future is toast.

[defendandprotect]

99. Remove him from office . . . ??

No -- Obama should change the direction he's moving in . . .

Single Payer is cheaper than any other insurance-involved health care --

Ending the wars and the MIC is what we need -- not more bankrupting of the Treasury.

Capitalism sucks -- bailing out criminals is simply more criminal activity!!!

Bail out the workers, take over the auto plants and start building electric cars.

Tax the oil industry based on windfall profits over the last years --

nationalize the oil industry.

but most of all -- STOP THE BAILOUTS --

and STOP DLC-corporate wing influence on the administration!

[demwing]

210. Capitalism does not suck

stop being such a reactionary.

Capitalism needs a healthy dose of socialism to give it a heart, but socialism needs capitalism to give it spirit. The real boogie man in the closet is corporatism.

[defendandprotect]

220. Capitalism is a ridiculous King-of-the-Hill System . . . .

intended to move a nation's wealth and natural resources from the many to the few . . .

in case you haven't noticed!!!

FDR regulated capitalism in order to save it ---

now it's time for it to go --

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --

We need economic democracy -- democratic socialism --

Capitalism is a few hundred years old -- and has failed repeated EXCEPT in redistributing

wealth to the few.

The bailouts are simply more of criminal capitalism walking away with the money.

Wake up!

[G_j]

167. "Bush war crimes are so far down on any realistic list of what needs to be done as to be a joke"

that's at the top of my list.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

174. You have a list?

That's good. Keeping track of things will keep you busy and you won't have to worry about actually doing anything with your talents. Fortunately, there are others who get out there and work hard to get things done.

In the meantime, you keep your list and keep glomming onto the words of others. I am flattered and vastly amused............

[G_j]

175. thank you for the insult

why would you think I sit around and do nothing because I want war criminals prosecuted?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

178. Insult?

I'm genuinely glad you have a list. It probably keeps you from doing other things, which may or may not be healthy. I applaud your list and hope you get everything that's on it crossed off so that you can then start another list.

Lists are good.

[G_j]

179. I borrowed the word "list" from your post

so let me just say, prosecuting war criminals is important to me. There, is that too complicated for you?


so sorry if that is offensive to you...

not

[Tangerine LaBamba]

191. Here's what you did that is offensive,

and that you should take umbrage at my response is absolutely laughable:

You quoted a line I wrote in another, completely different thread on a different post - that's a version of "calling out," and it's against DU rules. But I didn't alert because I think you're impotent and harmless. In another context, it's interpreted as stalking, especially since you directed it straight at me.

I could find that threatening, but I'll let it go because, as I said, you're harmless and insignificant.

But, if you're going to quote me, be a solid and upright human being and give the proper attribution. Use my screen name and say that I was the one who wrote it.

You didn't do that because it's possible you're ignorant of how things work, or you're just a weasel.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say it's both.

The bottom line, though, is that my opinion is different from yours. So how does that give you the right to pursue me with something I wrote and tell me that my line is on "the top of your list"? That's a threat, no matter how you might have "intended" it, and you're having it shoved right up your ass right now because you simply can't do that and get away wit it.

Next time, use your own opinion and build on that. Trying to piggyback on mine just shows you up for the inelegant weenie that you are.

Now, go. You're dismissed.

[G_j]

197. good drugs?

re: your post, #12, in this thread, above >EOM

Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-28-09 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Do you take into consideration,

as you so simply condemn Obama, that he walked into a situation unprecedented in our country's history, and, for real, we probably don't know the half of it.

Bush war crimes are so far down on any realistic list of what needs to be done as to be a joke.

I'm not crazy about his plans for Afghanistan, but I am going to trust my President - this one, anyway - and see what happens. I'm not sanguine, but I'm also smart enough to wait and see.

As for the banking mess, I know that no one not intricately involved in it has any clue, so your pronouncement speaks more to your lack of knowledge than anything.

When you started a new job, were you prepared to be fired after two months? And, did you have the hardest job in the world?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

198. Yeah - so?

What's your point?

And, you must know that I'm laughing a whole lot that the power of my words can keep you idiots dancing around even the following day.

So, my opinion is different from yours.

So what?

[Patchuli]

13. "Slack???" How about

giving him a chance to work? I've told you before, quit jumping the gun and give the guy an opportunity to do the job.

[lostnotforgotten]

15. He's Had Almost 100 Days - What's He Waiting For?

eom

[Tangerine LaBamba]

OK, now I get it .........

You're yanking chains.

Very good.

:toast:

[greenbriar]

21. not sure what you mean...I am pissed everytime I log on to read people bitching

and moaning

EVERY little thing they don't like or that he hasn't moved fast enough...they want a new president or say he isn't doing things right...

it is going to take time

A LOT OF TIME

[Tangerine LaBamba]

38. I wasn't responding to you ......

Relax.

Of course you don't understand what I meant. It wasn't addressed to you.

Cool it. I agreed with you early on, so back up and take some deep breaths..............

[greenbriar]

185. aw got it

I had thought we were in agreement which is why I was confused.

yes, some are truly ignorant!

[Name removed]

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[Tangerine LaBamba]

205. Yeah, I finally caught on ..........

I'm not that bright, so it takes me a while.

Thank you.........

:hi:

[Patchuli]

50. I've seen action from Day One

and while I may not agree with everything, I think he's accomplishing quite a bit for the WEEKS he has been my President.

I suspect you'd bitch regardless...

[lostnotforgotten]

59. Bush War Crimes - Health Care - Afghan - Banksters

How many failures does one need before they are allowed to criticize?

[Patchuli]

92. You are "allowed to criticize"

because this is America and you have a right to free speech. However, one key word in your response stuck out: "Bush" was the word. This mess was created over a long time, years by others, not Obama. I think you need to learn a bit of patience unless you just get off on "concern trolling." I cannot believe how quickly some of you have started pissing and moaning about Obama. Give the man a freaking chance already!

[lostnotforgotten]

93. Actions Speak Louder Than Words - While Patience Is A Virtue - Politics Waits For No One

eom

[kestrel91316]

125. He has four years to show us what he's about. He's doing pretty damned good so far.

You need to get a grip or go home to FR.

[lostnotforgotten]

171. Are You Calling Me A Freeper - That Is Against DU Rules - Should I Alert?

eom

[Patchuli]

204. OK whatever...

Enough homilies for me. Just try to keep in mind that it's not going to be on your timetable and neither of us would most likely be able to step into those shoes too easily. It's really easy to criticize what you will never have to figure out yourself.

[ProHeloPilot]

101. Exactly!

Bush War Crimes: No prosecutions ("Let's move forward").

Health Care: Talk. (Clinton-style universal proposal will likely be DOA on the Hill.)

Afghan: More war.

Banksters: Pay 'em.

All this when his political capital at his highest. Imagine what's gonna happen shortly before the mid-terms. Tax cuts for the wealthy?

[Name removed]

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[spanone]

160. get the hose, bullshit spray

[lostnotforgotten]

172. Don't Mind The ObamaBots That Have Posted Above

Your mind is clear there minds are clouded.

[yellerpup]

110. Would you call for his impeachment now?

Would you drum him out of office for his "failures?" If so, who gets the job next? What is your plan?

[lostnotforgotten]

170. No - Unlike Bush He Has Done Nothing That We Know About That Is Impeachable

Give it time and this may no longer be the case.

[VPStoltz]

148. There is a lot of "he failed" stuff here but do we really know if those are failures?

Let's face it - PrezO is in Washington now and that's not Kansas anymore.
These failures so many are griping about might just be manipulations of systems so ingrained that there is no other way to make ANY changes yet let alone the massive ones we all want.
This guy is smart, smart, smart and I am holding judgment until he comes forward and says, "Oops! I fucked up!"
And he WILL is he DOES.

[lostnotforgotten]

169. Is He Or His Administration Moving In The Right Direction On These Issues?

The question answers itself.

[defendandprotect]

100. You mean 100 days from now DLC-corporate influence on Obama will be gone?

In 200 days maybe we'll have Single Payer Health Care?

Unfortunately, whether 10 days or 100 days, decision-making counts!!!

[DollyM]

215. we are seeing results in our area already . . .

My husband had a job interview Thursday that is coming directly from stimulus money. He has been out of work for 6 months and he is not getting unemployment anymore due to being screwed over by the state of Wisconsin (but that is another story . . ) The point I wanted to make is, if you are jobles and out of money and worrying about how to feed your family, prosecuting war criminals is far down the list of priorities. There are many, many of us who are in that first category. Stimulus money coming into our area and resulting in jobs is enough of a result for me!

[azmouse]

45. just like a broken record...

blah, blah, blah...

[lostnotforgotten]

58. Singing Obama's Tune I See - Change, Blah, Blah, Blah ...

Are your lips tired yet?

[Name removed]

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[sendero]

62. Apparently infinite..

.... meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Well, not quite the same but definitely disapointing. I consider myself among the more pragmatic Dems, and I accept that politics makes it impossible to get everything you want.

I'm happy that Obama is dropping what would have been a politically disastrous move (the "assault weapons ban") but I have major issues with "letting bygones be bygones" with respect to the last 8 years and I think funneling trillions of dollars to the banks (who are already gaming the next phase of the "bailout") is insane and will end badly.

One thing I do believe, if the economy is still sucking wind in 2012, Obama will be a one term president. I'll go further to say the Dems will lose the white house. It IS the economy, stupid - and I think Obama is not doing the right things.

[lostnotforgotten]

86. The Mid-Terms Will Be Telling Regarding The Economy - Little Obama Progress - Dems Lose Big Time

All indications from the economic blogs is that the worst is yet to befall us.

[defendandprotect]

102. See the Wm. Greider article about "if Wall Street gets its way" . . .

this could cement corporate power over the nation.

[Castleman]

155. Well, golly gee whiz!

He's not doing the right things? Well thank GOD you're here to tell him how to run the goddamn country. However, it brings to mind a rather pertinent question; If you're so fucking brilliant, why haven't YOU run for office, gotten elected due to being so incredibly brilliant, and solved all of our problems in 60 days?
It's because you're a nitwit with a keyboard, and instead of actually DOING, you sit back and criticize, which quite frankly, is a large part of the reason we're in this mess.
Nah, do something? Never. You had your iPhone & a XBOX and a nice car (is it USA made, btw?) and you didn't give a crap until it affected YOU. Then you want someone to bail you out NOW GODDAMIT!!!
It's fine to criticize, to predict doom and gloom for eternity if he doesn't bow to each and everyones wishes in the first 60 days?
Idiotic.
Unrealistic.
Waste of effort.
Shaddup and let the man do his job, or show us how smart you are, run for mayor, and fix your town in...say 14 days, because if a President only gets 60, a city or town should be fixable in two weeks, right?

Let me know how that works for you.

[kestrel91316]

122. I don't recall seeing you around these parts before. Where were you

hiding during the campaign and election? FR?????

You have SOOOOO outed yourself, Rush Jr.

[malaise]

6. I love Obama and promises him six months of peace

but both the financial sector and foreign policy developments are troubling.
I'm trying hard to give him a chance but I'm worried.

[marmar]

9. Agreed.....and there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

But if you look at the repetitive nature of some of the most virulent anti-Obama posters, it becomes quite clear that some people are still bitter about the primary.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. Is that it?

Well, that makes sense, then.

I have to learn to ignore these people. They're so out there as to be on another planet and, really, there's nothing to say to them with such rock-ribbed minds.

Some ostensibly on our side are lousy losers just like the GOPigs. How disheartening..................

[malaise]

56. Yep I can see that n/t

[scarletwoman]

105. That may be true in a very few cases, but certainly not across the board.

A great many of those of us dismayed by Obama's apparent DLCness were virulently against HRC for the very same reason. To see the Obama administration take on so many Clintonites is a severe disappointment.

I rooted for Obama in the primaries precisely because he WASN'T Clinton. The "change" I "hoped" for was NOT a return to the corporatist and neoliberal policies of the Bill Clinton administration.

I never got fooled, as apparently some people did, into thinking that Obama was a progressive. My support for him hinged on him being Not-Clinton.

My criticism of Obama has absolutely nothing to do with him "not cleaning things up fast enough" -- that's a false and ridiculous strawman. It has very specifically to do with the personnel and methods he has chosen to employ for those tasks.

I'm not interested in supporting politicians, my support hinges solely on their policies. I'm interested in seeing my country moved in a new direction -- away from corporatism and neoliberalism, and I will keep fighting for that.

sw

[dana_b]

133. you hit the nail...

as the saying goes. The methods he has chosen, so far, and his people are not "change". From Bush, yes - it's a change, but from policies and people who did not help the situation in the past, no.

[G_j]

188. please stop speaking with clarity and intelligence

it's distracting...

[Name removed]

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[Cant trust em]

136. Primary hangover for some DUers is pretty obvious at this point

I think that was the ultimate reasoning behind allowing the name changes a few months ago. Skinner and the mods probably wanted a clean slate for the new president. Some people still haven't let it go.

[Runcible Spoon]

85. Why the FUCK should HE get "peace" when he won't deliver us any?

I mean really. I might buy the whole "gotta pull out slowly" but now we're just shipping them off to die in another quagmire. Fantastic.

[defendandprotect]

104. Absolutely . . . we elected Democrats in '06 to END THE WARS . . .END THE WARS . . .!!!

As confirmed by Pelosi, herself, immediately after the election -- it's on video!

And, then the betrayal -- two more years of funding these obscene wars --

on a nation that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 -- and a nation which we've

been bombing now for 20 years --!!!!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. That's about as plain as language can be ........

and I applaud you for what you wrote.

Does anyone remember when W. Shrub took office, and where he was a bit more than two months in office? And things were good then, don't forget?

Can anyone cite (without the google - no cheating) what W. Shrub did in his first two months in office?

How about Bill Clinton? What did he do within his first sixty days?

Ronnie Raygun?

JFK?

Anyone? Got any basis for comparison? To whom would you compare Obama, who has inherited not just an impossible situation on every front, but a Congress that should be solidly on his side - Democrats are in the majority, I am told - but who are giving him a hard time, as hard a time as if they were GOPigs?

Consider what Obama has done since January 21, 2009. Consider that kids have health insurance that they didn't have on January 19, 2009. That's just one thing he's done. The rest I'll leave to the other clear-thinking folks out there.

Perhaps it's just a lack of understanding of the legislative process that makes these folks so unreasonable and impatient. Perhaps they just don't know how it works. If that's not it, then, well ............... never mind.

Thanks for a great OP............

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. You got that right, my dear greenbriar!

K&R

:patriot:

[Liberal Veteran]

11. It bothers me as well. It took almost 3 decades of bad policies to get to where we are.

And it will take longer than a couple of months to undo the damage, particularly when you have senate leader who has less of a backbone than jellyfish and DINO blue dogs watering down everything.

[defendandprotect]

106. O bama isn't re-inventing the wheel .. .!!! Restore New Deal Regulations on Capitalism . .!!!

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime ---

[Skink]

18. He could start by trashing Paulsons plan which they just put back into effect.

Krugman said it months ago. Cash for Trash. Now it's tax payer money to save a system that we know is not worth saving.

[defendandprotect]

107. "Cash for Trash" . . . !!! Capitalism is finished .. . we all understand that . . .

and the more of it we bail out the more we lose ---

Bail out the workers -- overturn the trade agreements --

and move to economic democracy -- democratic socialism.

If these new Wall Street 'reforms' go thru, we're cementing corporatism/fascism.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. I'll Be Blunt: Anyone Already Talking Bout Such Things Is Either A Mindless Zealot Or Total Moron.

No grey areas in between, really.

[Kansas Wyatt]

22. He says he works for the American People... That's fine.

If and when I see him working to make sure Corporate America still runs the policies in our government, then he has blown his chance with me. As long as his deeds match his words, then he has nothing to worry about.

Making sure Death Merchants get a seat at the Health Care table, doesn't look like a very good start, especially when those same Death Merchants are the biggest reason why health care in this country is so screwed up.

President Obama & the Democratic Party have been handed a golden opportunity to put an end to the last thirty years of destruction waged against the American People and to turn some long sought after Ideals into government policy. They have ONE chance to get it right, or they themselves, will hand the government back over to the Republican Party.

Democrats win elections and stay in power, when they stand up for and actually represent Working Americans. Not when they only represent chic special interest groups and defer to Corporate America. For the Party that is suppose to have more intelligence, Democrats really are stupid.

[defendandprotect]

109. "Dems win elections +stay in power, when they stand up for + actually represent Working Americans"

Nice post -- !!

[lonestarnot]

23. Get a fucking clue don't cha mean!

What in the fuck is wrong with people!

[elocs]

24. Why would Obama need Republicans to slice and dice him

when he can get Democrats to do it under the guise of of "constructive criticism". This must really give Republicans a good laugh as they say, "Look, they're trying to herd cats!"

I really think that too many Democrats have spent too many years being against a president and being constantly critical of a president that they cannot get themselves out of that mode. Obama is not the perfect president for them, but then he never promised to be that.

[barbtries]

25. ii'm hearing more than enough

to disappoint me, and plenty that has made me downright happy. either way i'm still behind him. and i will continue to let him know where i stand on the issues.

[lunatica]

26. That's not true. He has a 70% approval rating and you're already having him lose

in the next election. Let people talk. So what? Lots of people talk as if they've made up their mind when all they're doing is venting. It's a 70% approval level for crying out loud!

You should relax a little and save your anger for something that isn't a few people being overly reactive. Don't let it distract you from that 70% approval rating.

[greenbriar]

31. if you read this discussion board, every other thread is dissing him

and I am sick of it

[lunatica]

34. That's on DU and it's the same small group who are reacting in anger

Because of fear. There's plenty to be afraid of, and finding a target to blame is natural. Most people only feel that angry for a short time. The ones who need their anger and who just keep it blazing aren't very productive anyway. There's probably not much that will make them happy, or even calm enough to let go of the rage.

[defendandprotect]

112. Is Wm. Greider a DU'er . . .? Criticism of economic polices is widespread . . .

except among GOP/DLC and Wall Street -- !!!

******************************************

[Fire1]

194. Do these people LISTEN to ANYTHING the man conveys

to the general public or is this just plain stupidity??? The day President Obama decides not to do anything about Al Quada, I will join the millions already migrated to other countries, as I can pretty well predict what will happen, as a result.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

41. I live 'way inside the Beltway,

and have for more than three decades. I worked in DC and knew a lot of pols. What is really entertaining to me - now more than ever - is how utterly disconnected the elected officials and talking heads are from all the rest of the United States.

With this President, it's worse than I've ever seen it. Bill Clinton walked into a buzzsaw as soon as he took office, and I thought - and still do - that so much of that was jealousy, pure, simple, flat out jealousy. The guy had a sexual vibe on him, you just knew women loved him, and that drove these plastic pundits insane.

Obama drives them crazy on every goddamned front. I've never seen anything like it. The antagonism from Democrats on the Hill really confounds me, and pisses me off. He's everything they'll never be, so I think what I'm seeing is Clinton to the thousandth power.

But, outside the Beltway, people are smarter and want the best for their country. That's why he's got the approval ratings he has, the same way that Clinton had a 72% approval rating as he was being impeached.

Sometimes I think we'd do so much better if we just brought in a bunch of citizens every two years and let them work in Congress.

Of course, that would shut down K Street, NW, and put a zillion lobbyists out of work.

And we can never let that happen, can we?

[tosh]

130. Nice post, TL.

[PatSeg]

137. I think you nailed it

on the jealousy thing. I see that attitude towards Michelle Obama as well. These people are just too cool, so there must be something wrong.

I never expected to agree with Obama on everything and I know governance is far more complex than most of us can appreciate. I do believe he is the perfect person for this time and this mess. After he's been in office for a reasonable time, I will criticize his actions and policies, but I will probably still support him.

[girl gone mad]

27. I understand your irritation.

I know some of the criticisms are piling on by those with a grudge.

I supported President Obama in the primaries, worked for him, donated to his campaign.

Sadly, his current ecomomic team is leading us down the path to ruin. The policies they are enacting right now threaten to cause a decade of stagnation (at best) in a misguided effort to prop up a financial system that was already a drain on our economy anyhow.

As long as the administration continues to pursue policies that are not in the best interest of the middle class, I'll speak my mind.

When we're being asked to accept cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Education to pay for these bailouts, don't say you weren't warned.

[La Coliniere]

78. I second that.

I too spent many a Saturday and Sunday afternoon calling folks in swing states, urging them to vote for Obama. Gave money as well. I was under no illusions as to what we would be getting in President Obama, and so far we're getting exactly what I expected. Yes, he's better that what could have been, but that doesn't mean that he's beyond reproach and that we should stand behind him like blind sycophants, unwilling to challenge his decisions on matters that greatly effect all of us, and the world as well. I don't like most of his economic decisions or his ideas about "fixing" public education, and he's intimating that the way he'll tackle entitlements will be, like you suggest, a crushing blow to all of us. I hope we're wrong.

[butterfly77]

200. If only you were this aware and on the case for your former Pres..

[BlooInBloo]

30. Not pissed. Not even really irritated. One shouldn't expect any different from fools...

That's why they're called "fools", after all.

[yowzayowzayowza]

33. No accounting for fair weather friends. n/t

[HughMoran]

35. I'm watching D.L. Hughley

It's pretty funny.

[lilyreally]

40. All I know is how much better I'm sleeping

and how much more comfortable I feel. It's like an adult with firm hands and a calm voice finally took over the reins of this horse and buggy. Granted, the horse is still wild eyed and foaming and the buggy is mostly in splinters. But I feel better about this ride.

[lunatica]

42. Yeah, it's going in the opposite direction from the last runaway ride

And decisions being made today will open the way for more decisions down the line, including some that will change direction again. Obama didn't come in with a 30 year underground agenda to rule the world. Right now he's only making those few first critical decisions that change the course of history. He's allowed to feel his way through this unprecedented historic moment and even to make mistakes. But I trust that if he perceived them as mistakes he'll change his choices.

[Emit]

52. lol! Well put and I agree

My anxiety level, while still prone to increased highs on occasion with the general state of the nation, is much more on an even keel.

Welcome to DU, lilyreally! :hi:

[lilyreally]

87. Thanks Emit!

I was a long time DUer...welcomed a lot of people years ago. But I had to leave for health reasons. Over it now and raring to go.

[alarimer]

43. Well I did not expect that all of Goldman Sachs would end up running things.

THAT is a huge disappointment and it really pisses me off. They are crooks, Democratic crooks, but still crooks.

I did not vote for Wall Street.

[The_Casual_Observer]

46. You'd have to be brain dead to want to wish away Obama at this point.

He's getting shit done for the first time since FDR.

[defendandprotect]

113. How about simply Obama moving in the right direction . . .

You can't change the "shit" by ignoring FDR and the New Deal -- !!!

[azmouse]

47. Yes. I agree.

[donheld]

49. k & r

[Seen the light]

51. "He hasn't even been elected yet!" "It's not even January 20th yet!"

"He's not even done with his first month yet!" "He's not even done with his second month yet!" "He's not even done with his first 100 days yet!" "He's not even done with his first six months yet!" "He's not even done with his first year yet!" "He's not even done with his first 18 months yet!" "He's not even halfway through his term yet!" "He's not even done with his first three years yet!" "He's not even done with his first term yet!"

[AwakeAtLast]

57. I get your point

But you have to admit that 2 months is a very short amount of time. Our previous president had eight years to destroy our country. I think Obama should be given a little more time to fix it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

83. .

:evilgrin:

[DainBramaged]

53. Pissing up a rope......

The current crowd not only thinks President Obama READS DU (or his staff does) but that the ideologues here are going to dictate policy while he faces a crisis of monumental proportion. These ideologues could spell the end of anyone in the White House listening to anything the blogosphere has to say.

When he took over the house was on fire. People here want him to rebuild before the fires are out.

[NJmaverick]

67. Good analogy

[defendandprotect]

115. You can't rebuild on the Wall Street/Capitalist foundation and with the same people -- !!!!

These are the people who created the mess --

Paulson?

If you want the DLC-corporate wing and Paulson, then you're asking for more of the same.

See the Wm. Greider article I posted today --

[ima_sinnic]

60. our pockets were picked within the first month & used to buy yachts, jets, & "bonuses,"

& we have already heard that single payer health care is off the table because it would "raise taxes," and that legalization of marijuana is not even worth considering.

Appointments made within the first month told me everything I need to know about this president's priorities and who his real friends are. How is "more time" going to change that, except by proving that this was not the "change" we voted for?

[tbyg52]

63. He still beats Bush, of course, and I'm pleased with many things he has done, of course

But I'm not going to just shut up, of course, about things such as the ones you mention.

I'm especially angry about the bailout, because we don't really know where all that money is going (in detail, I mean - we certainly know it is going into bankster's pockets), unless I'm missing something. And once it's gone it'll never be gotten back. I feel the same way I'd feel if some hacker was draining my bank account and the bank wouldn't close the account. What's going on may in fact be the right thing, but I don't *know* and I don't feel that I'm getting enough information to know. Just sideshows like the bonus hearings.

Thanks for this post - it takes guts on one of these "shut up" threads, and so I'm piggybacking on *your* guts....! :hi:

Now we'll see if it attracts name-calling. That's what's bugging me about this - not just "shut up," but "shut up" followed by MORAN! FREEPER!, etc.

[ima_sinnic]

65. I'll admit I am guilty of not praising when praise is due. I am overjoyed that * is gone

Overall, the climate of fear generated by * and his cronies is gone, and that is a big plus. Obama seems sincere in wanting openness & accountability & I do praise that. He is genuine, highly intelligent, shrewd, soft spoken, and thoughtful--all qualities sorely missing for the past decade in our "government."

I just wish he weren't so tone deaf, to the point almost of betrayal, to seemingly "radical" proposals like single payer health care, legalized mj, and a few other issues where he seems very misguided.

on edit: meant to thank you for your support, and I have also "piggybacked" off of the posts of others who are also not so eager to idolize and not question anything.

[tbyg52]

66. I don't think he's so much tone deaf as pragmatic

And I think his judgments about what can and can't be done may be a little timid. But he knows more about the *real* powers that be than I do. And I'm hoping that he'll do more fighting of them.

[JVS]

80. Yeah. Everyone gets that that not everything can be fixed within a few weeks. We're made about...

things that have been fucked up already within the last few weeks.

[Threedifferentones]

88. Thank you, ima_sinnic

Why do people tell us to wait on our criticism when Obama has already said those things you mentioned are off the table for good? At what time should I point out that many of the decisions and appointments Obama has made in his first months are bad?

Lobbyists and rich privateers are appointed as economic advisers, Obama is taking their plans to prop up our old, corrupt status quo to heart, the wars continue, healthcare is as dead as it ever was.

Knowing this, there are only two reasons one would not criticize Obama:

1. You know he has plans in motion to change his position on the issues we mentioned. Alot of posters here seem to be under this impression, but for what reason?

2. You do not really care about these issues.

[ima_sinnic]

216. reason no. 3: you have a vested interest in those policies because they benefit "you"

i.e., wall st. trolls or rich greed-head pigs posing as "liberals" to condemn any criticism of Obama's policies as "Obama hatred" or "not giving him enough time." same old psy ops crap.

[scarletwoman]

132. Thank you. I don't need "more time" to know that appointing Giethner & Summers sucks.

I don't need "more time" to know that announcing single payer health care is "off the table" sucks.

I don't need "more time" to know that keeping the Bagram air base prison open sucks.

I don't need "more time" to know that Obama's DOJ preserving the Bush White House state secrets policies suck.

These are all real things that have ALREADY HAPPENED. Obama is a public servant, not an annointed king. I damn well WILL criticize him for doing these things.

sw

[MadHound]

61. That's the same sort of mistake we made with Clinton

After twelve years of Reagan/Bush, we let our guard down, we withheld criticism. In exchange we got things like the highest rate of financial deregulation of any president, the '96 Telecom Act, NAFTA, welfare "reform", on and on.

Obama isn't a god, he is our elected representative, and as such he is fair game for criticism. If we want to get our agenda into law, then we hold his feet to the fire, early and often.

And just because it is early in his term doesn't make him immune. He has hit the ground running and shaping policy, such as the Wall St. bailout and the war in Afghanistan, quickly. We can't afford to wait a year, much less four to pass our verdict on these policies. Doing so only insures that these policies get implemented and set in stone, and we can't afford to let that happen.

I'm irritated also, not at the people who are criticizing Obama, but at those such as yourself who want to quash dissent. Increasingly these strident calls for silence remind me of freepers trying to quash dissent of Bush. We have the right to criticize the president, and in fact he has welcomed such criticism. You don't like it, too bad, you're free to move to a country that has a dictatorship with iron clad laws against dissent, then you will never have your pretty ears befouled by criticism ever again.

[tbyg52]

64. Thank you. nt

[No.23]

69. NOW is the time to be critical; not later.

The reason why we're ratcheting up our involvement in Afg and Pak is because we've committed ourselves there.

It is much harder to disengage ourselves from an applied commitment than it is to disengage ourselves from a stated intention or purpose.

Current events are very illustrative of that.

The time to be critical is when a given intention is stated and before it is applied.

Not after we give a questionable intention a chance for implementation.

Why is this so hard to understand for so many?

[defendandprotect]

116. So true . . . and we need an administration willing to reverse the trade agreeements . . .

and restore the Welfare guarantees of 60 years!!!

[Mari333]

129. amen to that. clinton needed to be roundly criticized

and I didnt do enough of it back then. thats why I am going to keep it up now. I watched Clinton support DOMA, dump universal healthcare, do flyovers in Iraq, push for NAFTA, deregulate , and suck up to the republicans with the welfare to work crap..he was a corporatist and so was Hillary..and I see Obama starting off on that same path and I will jump in asap to say STOP this time.

[scarletwoman]

142. What you said. I learned my lesson from watching what happened when we all sat back during Clinton's

administration. I swore to myself, never again.

NO Democratic politician gets an automatic pass just because they have "D" after their name. If their policies are corporatist and anti-worker, I'm going to raise all the hell I can, period.

sw

[Nay]

163. Thanks, Madhound.

[Individualist]

183. Well said, MadHound

[acmavm]

68. I'll match your 'down right pissed' with outright amused.

[LWolf]

70. Interesting.

I may be one of his most vocal critics, and I haven't said that.

I haven't thought about it, other than to assume that there won't be a left-leaning choice on the ballot in 4 years, either.

I'm not concerned about him keeping his promises. I'm concerned that he will, since I never wanted his agenda to begin with.

He hasn't done anything to surprise me so far. A few good things, a lot of complete SHIT. Exactly what I expected.

I'm not interested in fighting primary or GE wars 4 years early. There are too many things happening right now to be concerned about.

[tomm2thumbs]

71. hence the term 'Persistence' - he's got 4 years to work, let 'em do it

Input is good however and keeping people focused on goals that aren't dictated by the 'voices in Washington is also good. Persistent pressure but not overboard.

[global_traveler]

72. Why is "100 days" the end of the president's honeymoon with the Electorate?

where did that phony milestone come from? I'm willing to go the distance with this President....and not back down...never surrender.

[rockymountaindem]

77. The 100 days bit originated from the legislation enacted by Roosevelt and Congress

in the 105 days before Congress took its summer recess in 1933 after Roosevelt became Pres. in March.

[defendandprotect]

119. But, FDR didn't put Wall Street in the driver's seat . . .

FDR controlled/regulated capitalism --

and that's the road we should be on now -- RE-REGULATION --

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime!

[L0oniX]

73. Stopping the wars and single payer health care ARE NOT LITTLE MOVES!

Money for war ...money for the rich Wall Street asscarrots and banksters ...no money for single payer health care ...I think I am entitled to make up my mind about it now, not 4 years from now. Go ahead and be pissed and ask me if I care. pffft (use the ignore function)

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. .

:thumbsup:

[defendandprotect]

96. Absolutely correct . . . all of these decisions will long be with us --- !!!

[rhett o rick]

76. I don't agree that the prosecution of war crimes should be "down the list".

Pres Obama is trying desperately to put out the fires started by Bush/Cheney and they are still running around loose with torches.

[freemarketer6]

81. As time goes on I'll be watching the number of responses to

such posts. If they drop below fifty, it will be something to worry about. Also, if Obama drops below fifty in general poll averages prior to 100 days in office that would be a major problem. Has that ever happen before. There must be a Presidential historian on this board. Myself, I kind of wonder, as I always do, what would have happened if Obama has fulfilled all his campaign promises. Would he, could he be in worse shape that he finds himself in right now. One thing he has going for him is the emergence of the Palin-Steele ticket in 2012. Hell, I would vote for a gopher and a porcupine before I'd vote for those two.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

79. K&R for rational longterm insight. t.i.a.

[rucky]

84. What happens on Day 101?

[gorfle]

90. I agree with you, but...

It hasn't even been 100 days and he has already kept more promises in 60 days than dipshit ever did in 8 years

I agree with you, but he's also breaking some promises that would have been pretty easy to keep.

What about the 5 days of public comment on bills before voting on them? If you can't keep that simple a promise what kind can you keep? It's disappointing.

I still support Obama though. I still feel that his heart is in the place of making America better and less totalitarian.

[geek tragedy]

91. They hope he fails. n/t

[defendandprotect]

121. What stupidity . . .

No progressive nor liberal hopes that Obama will fail ---

Capitalism is a failing proposition, no less so than it was in the days of FDR . .

FDR REGULATED CAPITALISM TO SAVE IT ---

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime ---

REREGULATE IT NOW OR JUNK IT !!!

NO BAILOUTS FOR CRIME!!

[SlingBlade]

94. THANK YOU ! K&R

[defendandprotect]

95. You can't clean up, by giving us more of the same . . .

if you think so, you're nuts -- !!!

Nor does it matter whether bad decisions are made in 10 days, 100 days,

or 1000 days . . . unless they're going to be overturned . . . ??????

[960]

97. Sounds like you've come unhinged. GET a GRIP

[Laurab]

103. A BIG K&R nt

[mike_c]

111. sorry, but I'm never going to support his wars, his current health plan...

...or his complicity with Wall Street in ripping off generations of Americans. Haplessness and wrong-headedness are not justified by inexperience-- not when the consequences are potentially so dire.

[noamnety]

114. I think you've misunderstood.

The problem isn't what he hasn't done yet in a short amount of time.

The problem is what he has done.

[dysfunctional press]

117. healthcare is my TOP issue...

if he forces us to settle for anything less than single-payer, he's OUT in my book.

[defendandprotect]

124. Single Payer should be the first emergency response to the economy . . .

Single Payer would be the cheapest way to go and would provide the best

health care -- which is all obvious.

Our problems are with influence of DLC-corporate wing and insurance/health care

industry lobbyists providing money to buy government and elected officials!!

[classof56]

118. Agreed, and thank you.

Are the Unhappy W/Obama folks thinking we'd be much better off with McCain/Palin? Do they countenance armed insurrection a la Michelle Bachmann? Do they hope Obama and by extension the country fails? Seems perhaps that's the case, and the rhetoric only serves to embolden the repubs who are dead-sent against supporting anything the president puts forth. I keep saying shame on them all. But given their mindset, I'm certain they do not have the ability to feel shame about anything. They want us to end up with an oligarchy and to destroy the middle class. At least Obama seems to care about those of us whose voices are lost in the hubub of corporate-owned and run media. Yep, Obama's not doing everything right, but considering the horrendous mess he inherited, I think he's doing pretty danged good.

As you said, hell--let him work. He may be our last shot at taking our country back, even if not in as good shape as we'd anticipated. It's a start, folks!

Once and Future Tired Old Cynic

[kestrel91316]

120. Anybody on DU who is already saying they want to vote for someone else

in 4 years is OBVIOUSLY a troll, IMHO. This place has a major infestation.

[defendandprotect]

126. No other Democrat should be considered . . . we couldn't vote for Howard Dean . ..???

Or any other Democrat who will immediately end these wars ---

and provide Single Payer?

That's not allowed?

[earth mom]

131. WTF? So you're telling us to shut up for 4 years? No, I don't think so.

Given what we've seen in 60 days and considering Obama's behavior so far, you'd better learn to deal with the criticism because it's obviously not going away and will probably only get worse.

Perhaps you need to quit making excuses for Obama.

[Overseas]

134. President Obama has asked us to communicate what we want

He gets lots of input from the Right, and the stupid Conservadems, to push him back toward the failed policies of the Bush Gang and other regressive tracks.

I think we need to have loud progressive voices urging the president to move in more sustainable progressive directions, because he's sure being shouted at by those destructive Republicans and foolish ConservaDems protecting their key corporate funding sources.

I liked the way "Time For Change" put it in a recent journal entry about those liberal economists who have been challenging our president:

I do not believe that criticizing President Obama from the left is at all likely to wound his administration or our country. To the contrary. He gets, and will continue to get, no matter what he does, plenty of criticism from the right. If we sit silently by and refuse to counteract that criticism with our own criticism, that will just mean that President Obama will feel all the more pressure to move towards the right. Furthermore, balancing out the criticisms from the right by criticizing from the left makes President Obama appear somewhat moderate, rather than as the Marxist that the right wingers would have us believe him to be. In that way our criticism not only helps to negate the right wing spin, but at the same time pressures the Obama administration to move in a direction that we believe will be much better for our country.

[shireen]

135. backseat presidents

everyone has an opinion. let 'em talk and let off steam.

the DU posts you refer to can be educational, even entertaining. But if the whiners don't back up their criticism with actions that can change how government works, they're pretty much irrelevant.

:popcorn:

[NNN0LHI]

139. I hate repeating this but we are on an anonymous political chat site

Most of the goofball Obama haters posting here didn't vote for him last year. Lot of them never voted for any Dem in their lives.

Nader nuts, Ron Paul admirerers and other assorted nuts are all over this board. Its been that way since 2001 that I know of.

Don

[JerseygirlCT]

140. Yup!

There's a difference between being honest enough to hold this administration to account. That's fine and good, and hopefully, another difference between us and the GOP.

But for pete's sake: it's been barely 2 months! And this mess is so big and so deep and so wide, it will be nothing short of miraculous if we can crawl out of it at all.

Obama's been brilliant all through the campaign, and the energizer bunny so far in dealing with problem after problem after problem. I'm still with him. I'll be willing to give him many benefits of the doubt, considering the scale of what he's taken on.

[hiphopnation]

141. k&r

thanks

needed to be said

:thumbsup:

[ismnotwasm]

143. I agree

I never expected Obama to be anything by a centrist, he ran as a centrist. I'm in no way disappointed, even though my personal political ideology is quite a bit farther to the left.

This hysterical criticism, not so much here, even though here it's pretty bad, but in the general media is disgusting. First they expect him to save the world in a single bound, now it's All. His. Fault.

[kid a]

144. happily the 60th REC and a KICK

[graywarrior]

145. .

:thumbsup:

[trickyguy]

146. Ever tried to glue something that you use all the time back together? It takes time.

And it's never quite the same as it was when it got broke.

I trust Obama. He's a good man. I'll let him try to fix it.

[Beavker]

147. If MSM would stop reporting everything the GOP says

it wouldn't seem so bad. I listen to CNBC all day and feel like the world is coming to an end. You then flip over to Bloomberg, and it's like it's just a market and people are working on it, and we'll see what happens. No panic are screaming and crying.

Same with Fox, you turn on that channel and it's anarchy. Watch some MSNBC and it's sanity and calmer cooler heads prevailing.

CNN and others have just been parading the GOP chimps up and down their shows because it either provides good entertainment, like a Jerry Springer episode, or they are 'make up calls' since they supposedly were biased towards Obama during the elections. At this point, keeping the GOP on day after day, despite their failed and outdated ideas, is only making it worse for them. People are seeing the GOP Cult for what it is. Rich White folk trying to keep the status quo.

If they succeed, then this country and the human race deserve them I guess, and the decent people of this planet will continue to suffer.

[Richd506]

149. I agree with this thread 100 %

Obama is NOT Bush.. it doesn't matter how hard people try making him to be...

[Catshrink]

150. Where's the dog?

What's the delay? I am gravely disappointed that it's been 100 days and the Obamas still don't have a dog. Sheesh. What is wrong with these people?

:snark:

BTW, ITA with your post.

[butterfly77]

152. Kick &Recommended!

[byronius]

153. I'm just happy to still be alive. If it had gone the other way --

Thank Whomever.

[jorgebob28]

156. Calm Down!

Yes, we all need to hold President Obama's feet to the fire but but everybody calm down! I knew long before I decided to vote for Barack Obama that there were many things we would disagree on. Unlike under the rule of Prezzy McChimp, I'd rather be disappointed some of the time than be disgusted all of the time. Just like any endeavor in life, it's the batting average not each discrete performance. Sometimes it takes smaller steps to attain the goal. There are going to be successes and failures but the idea is to try to keep trying. Sorry for the cliched crap I've said, but maybe getting old, fat and slower makes one sit back and see the overall picture and stop nitpicking each and every detail. I know we are all interested in the common good, let's all see what transpires first.

[cbayer]

165. Nicely said. Welcome to DU, jorgebob28

:hi:

[cherish44]

157. We're heading in the right directions

It was a long dark 8 years of colossal fuck ups, some of which might take decades to fix. Sure there are specific issues where I have a difference in opinion with Obama but I wasn't expecting him to be perfect. He is NOT a liberal, he never campaigned as a liberal so I don't get the outrage. A true progressive was not on the menu in this election but honestly would you rather McCain had won? Don't give me that "there's no difference between Obama and McCain" bullshit either. You KNOW that's not true.

[liberal N proud]

158. Everyone playing right into the republicans game

That includes a lot of people right here on DU who have already written the Obama administration off making Limbaugh cheer with glee.

[NJmaverick]

159. No doubt about it, the Freepers are laughing their asses off

over what is going on at places like DU. They don't even have to attack Obama, they can sit back and let the people, who should be happy he is in office, do it.

[greenbriar]

162. I agree with this

and posts

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[G_j]

168. you sure give them a lot of credit

and I should care what those morans are thinking....why?

[BelgianMadCow]

161. The advantage is - it isn't EITHER deferring judgment OR being critical :-)

As your OP makes clear, claiming to pass final judgment NOW on a contest that runs 4 years is illogical at best.

But not judging his presidency with finality does not mean witholding judgment altogether. On the contrary, I think Obama stated clearly he wants to feel "the weight of the people's opinion".
Dissent is patriotic in other words.

:hi:

[greenbriar]

166. dissent is fine. It is the "meet the old boss same as the new boss shit

that is making me sick


and I have even seen several impeachment threads and also I am not voting for him in 4 years threads

[spanone]

176. this place is turning into a sad zoo.

[scarletwoman]

190. Really? Where have you seen those threads? Post the links to them.

You make an accusation like that, you'd better back it up with evidence.

[greenbriar]

196. do your own research

heck there was even a poll asking people who they would vote for in the next presidential primary

[scarletwoman]

201. I most certainly will NOT do my own research. YOU made the accusation, YOU prove it.

Oh, there was a POLL about the 2012 primary? Horrors! How DARE they?

Geeeesh.

[G_j]

202. the one thread I saw about impeachment, was a poll

posted by somebody who was upset about some of the criticism of Obama, and who wanted to somehow make a point.

:shrug:

[BelgianMadCow]

208. well...new boss = old boss as in Obama = Bush*, that's ridiculous (but)

I don't think american presidential history will see many batshit insane crazy egotistical religious terrorist psychopath giggling nitwit murderers besides Bush*.

Obama is nowhere near that, so equaling the two is far-fetched.

However, in the sense that both old and new boss are the corporatocracy, that may well be the case to an extent. The current two-party system with elections based on commercials...sponsored by companies...well what do you expect.

I have not seen many of the threads you refer to - but have been focussed on the economy lately. Looking at Obama from that side: in the original bailout, it seemed as if he was using the opportunity (bad word I know) to slide in major progressive funding focus - but the trillions flying by much more under the radar...He's not anti-establishment - I never really thought so.

Playing with the hand he has been dealt SUCKS, and the building he has to play in is a smoldering ruin. I keep hoping he uses the circumstances to change the rules of the game...

[TBF]

211. "Dissent is fine but...." are you sure you are for free speech? n/t

[InvisibleTouch]

164. I totally agree with you.

I suspect the rabid Obama bashers are the same people who got their jollies bashing Clinton at every turn, also. And this on a Democratic web site. It disgusts me, but I guess they'll always be with us. I've learned not to pay them much heed.

[greenbriar]

177. I even got a PM saying I was wrong and that we have been sold out

jebus,

In perfect times, I am sure Obama's priorities would be different, but we have massive issues and he is doing what he thinks best for the situation we are in

[InvisibleTouch]

182. No one will ever agree with another person 100%...

...be that a friend or an elected official. But if they only agree 98%, or 95%, or even 90%, is that a reason to tear the person down, write them off, and call them a sell-out? That's just absurd. The bashers are having unrealistic expectations, I think. They want perfection, and we will never have perfection, in any element of life. So really, I've learned just to blow those people off, as irritating as they may be. It's disappointing that there are so many of them here, but so it goes.

I do think we could do with a little more consolidated support for our Dem leaders. It's not "lockstep" so much as loyalty, and say what you want, the rethugs tend to show it for their elected officials. We would do well to show a little more of it to ours.

[SlingBlade]

180. Constructive Criticism My Ass !

There are serial posters here who have yet to post a positive note on Obama

[sce56]

181. I disagree

I feel we should hold everyones feet to the fire and never let them forget why they are there! I'm not saying I wont vote for Obama but remember the best candidates were marginalized by the mainstream media like Kucinch and Dean in 04 who I believe would have been the Peoples best choice. The other thing that really gets me is that he has hired on the crooks that FIXED our economy to be so great right now to look over it The Goldman Saks people should not be holding positions of oversight on there former and probably future bosses! I know that they will not let former lobbyist to hold positions in the government then why let former CEOS hold positions also? We need to get those crooks on wall street behind bars and confiscate all of their property to return to the treasury for all of this BAILOUT MONEY they have stole from US!

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[greenbriar]

203. part of the problem

so if you want to see the threads I am referring to, look em up


I have other things to do

[Uzybone]

189. Kick

I might abandon this site for the next 4 years at this rate.

[sandyj999]

192. I couldn't agree more. It appears some people have very little patience.

But these may have been the same people that put him on a pedestal in the first place and now they are realizing he is a man. It isn't as if he can just go and make the rules and changes or we would have a dictatorship. For the past eight years we came as close to that as I ever want to be. I don't come here as often because there is so much negativity and so much bitching and whining, I thought I had made a mistake and gone to the "Dark Side". Come on people lighten up!

[sandyj999]

195. DELETE DUP

[bobbolink]

206. "criticizing EVERY little move he makes." Ah, yes, mea culpa. I should just quietly die.

He does NOTHING for poor and homeless people---leaves us out of the goddamned stimulus!!!, but that's just a small thing, isn't it?

We should certainly recognize how insignificant we are, and just do our patriotic duty and die so we won't be a thorn in his side, or, heavens-to-Mergatroid, an EMBARRASSMENT!

Our deaths haven't mattered to "progressives" before, so why should this possibly be an issue now??

Yes, I've got a grip.

A deathgrip.

[Bette Noir]

207. It's so much easier to throw stones than to make suggestions.

Where Obama falls short of perfection (and, don't we all?), he is open to suggestions. Reminding him that we're still here, and still want such things as universal health care, and end to both wars, and prosecution for the Bush crime family, will likely have more effect than calling him a corporate sell-out among ourselves.

Myself, I think the job he's doing is 80-90% terrific. My own orientation is sorta environmetalist-outdoorsy, so I'm just pleased as punch that he cancelled the oil leases near Arches National Park that Bushie tried to sneak in at the last minute.

[Catamount]

213. Absolutely with you!

K&R

[valerief]

214. So nice of you to bring this up. Thanks for your concern.

:sarcasm:

[Mike 03]

217. Thank you. Thank Christ somebody around here wrote a post like this. NT

[MadMaddie]

218. Greenbriar I totally agree with you.

I honestly believe that Americans in general have a problem with the need for instant gratification. When it doesn't happen then "Oh No's"!

And you are right, President Obama has kept more promises then he's broken in 60 days.

[inna]

219. straw man.

[Political Heretic]

221. So many people?????? Try like FIVE.

Virtually no one is seriously talking about having made up their mind to vote for someone else in four years.

We just had a poll on this on DU - overwhelmingly the results were "its too soon to talk about this" or "I'm voting for Obama" -- 1% where in other categories.

That means 99% weren't.

You're thread is just trying to stir up bullshit.

[Ken Burch]

223. Look it IS silly for anyone to talk about a "Dump Obama" candidate

But it is legitimate to organize on the issues that haven't been addressed yet and to try to push Our President to deal with them.

It is legitimate to organize against staying in Afghanistan. The voters were never demanding a hawkish stance on that, that was just something Obama's advisors told him he had to say to sound "tough". The election is over now, President Obama doesn't NEED to get in touch with his inner Scoop Jackson. An Afghan war is unwinnable.

Pushing harder for an economic restructuring that reaches the majority of us who AREN'T CEO's is also important. We might consider, for example, a proposal that, in exchange for bailouts of financial institutions, each taxpayer can buy a share in the institution(and attend and vote at shareholder meetings)for say, 5$. It's not asking to much that, in exchange for the bailouts, our financial sector be democratized.

And we need to make sure that whatever healthcare proposal goes through(and one of them is bound to pass this time, the pressure for change on that is too deep this year to ignore and, unlike '92, our guy won a majority so the GOP can't use the "your win didn't count" meme).

So, no, we shouldn't be dumping the guy, but we have every right to bring leftward pressure for better programs. And for the nine millionth time, let me remind everyone that President Obama has said, over and over and over, that he WANTS us to push from below.

So doing that isn't anything for any real Dem to get torqued about.

[SeeHopeWin]

224. I am voting Obama in 2012! I am also giving him until the end of this year to show

measurable results, things like will unemployment be under 10%? Will we have closed Guatanamo? will we have healthcare done? will we be on schedule to leave Iraq...etc.

Overall, I am EXTREMELY happy with everything :)

:bounce:

[liberalsince1968]

226. As long as Obama keeps enabling the cover up of Bush war crimes, I will criticize him. I

consider Obama an accessory to war crimes. He has made it clear that he will NEVER oppose Bush's policies on this, so it's not like giving him a "CHANCE to work" is going to make the slightest bit of difference.

The things Obama has done that I like - don't compensate for his epic failure on this front.

And I will speak up and speak out about it as long as I have breath.

Tough shit if you don't like it!

Some of you Obama supporters are soooo insecure, it's hilarious...it's like you just can't survive unless everyone else feels the same way YOU do about Obama. Too bad - ain't gonna happen!

[deacon]

227. 100% agree. Before he delivers a plan the media hit pieces are out in droves and the GOP

don't give a damn about the crisis. They only care about themselves.

Bush left a disaster and they want Obama to fail.

The mess can't be fixed in 2 months AND

noone is going to get exactly want they want.

He's already done more positive things than bush and the rest of the GOP did in 8 painfully long years.

Let's see the GOP "stimulus" package and with detailed numbers and let's see how the press scrutinizes that! Not likely.

The MSM has brought chaos into the crisis. The are disgraceful.

[Gman]

228. Why are you surprised?

Hell, it wasn't 48 hours after the election that one angry and prolific DU journal writer from a far southeastern state started her complaining about Obama. It's pretty much been a constant battle ever since.

[greenbriar]

234. I don't know

I guess I thought we would rally behind a president who has great vision and plans, but had to put his agenda on hold to clean up the horrid mess dipshit left before he could do the things he wants to do

[Gman]

235. Far left liberals are notorious for their view that the glass is half empty

They allow for no compromise or opposing or even varying points of view. That's why they're not often associated with any political party. They often have problems with shades of gray similar to their counterparts on the other side of the political spectrum.

[ThoughtCriminal]

229. Well, there's the 25-percenters

who don't know any better, plus the two-percenters who should.

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[Skittles]

231. fuck off

[greenbriar]

233. buh bye

troll

[Marrah_G]

232. All dissenters should be TS'd ASAP.

That is all.

[newview88]

236. Kick

:thumbsup: