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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:24 PM
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Obama: U.S. prepared to pursue targets in Pakistan
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 01:26 PM by bigtree
from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/29/obama.pakistan/

President Obama said Sunday that his administration remains prepared to order strikes against "high-value" targets within Pakistan.

Obama reiterated a previous assertion that the U.S. military would pursue extremists within Pakistan's borders after consulting with the Pakistani government.

The U.S. policy doesn't change American recognition of Pakistan's "sovereign government," Obama said during an appearance on CBS's "Face the Nation.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:39 PM
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1. The CNN headline is such a bastardized version of what President Obama actually said,
until beyond this comment, I need not bother other than breaking down the lines that you cite....

Obama reiterated
a previous assertion
that the U.S. military would pursue extremists within Pakistan's borders
after
consulting
with the Pakistani government.

The U.S. policy doesn't change American recognition
of Pakistan's "sovereign government,"

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:50 PM
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2. There has been an obvious escalation of the rhetoric by the administration
. . . highlighted by Gates and Obama on teevee today.

It was a dangerous policy when he first proposed it, and it's even more pernicious as he's asserting it as president. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. He's president now. Plenty of campaign promises have been deferred or delayed by Pres. Obama. It's significant when he asserts these things, especially in light of the unveiling of his Afghan plan.

I don't know how folks can satisfy themselves by downplaying the advancement of a policy of military aggression across Pakistan's sovereign borders which has had such destabilizing and tragic collateral effects and consequences -- expecting, I suppose, for Pres. Obama to have some sort of immunity from criticism because he said or proposed the same boneheaded thing in his campaign.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:59 PM
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6. You can be unhappy as much as it will help you,
However, reasonable people will differ with you....


Obama Got Afghanistan/Pakistan Right
by Jon SoltzCo-Founder of VoteVets.org,
served as a Captain in Operation Iraqi Freedom

For those of us who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was extremely important that the new president get the situation in Afghanistan right. Not just for America's security, but for those troops still in Afghanistan, and those heading to Afghanistan to put their lives on the line in the war. With today's announcement, President Obama has shown that he "gets it." That's why we at VoteVets.org are supporting the plan with a petition, which you can sign on to, right here.

There's a lot to like about the plan. But, there are three key things I'm particularly focused on, that represent a stark departure from the previous administration. They show that this president not only has reasonable goals in the region, but a good idea of what it will take to get there.

Point One: The Military Can't Do It All

The president recognizes that the war against terrorists requires much more than just throwing troops at the problem. That alone will go a long way towards setting policies that make America safer, and taking the burden off our military.

The president said today, "To advance security, opportunity, and justice - not just in Kabul, but from the bottom up in the provinces - we need agricultural specialists and educators; engineers and lawyers.... These investments relieve the burden on our troops. They contribute directly to security. They make the American people safer. And they save us an enormous amount of money in the long run - because it is far cheaper to train a policeman to secure their village or to help a farmer seed a crop, than it is to send our troops to fight tour after tour of duty with no transition to Afghan responsibility."

This is key, and something that was lacking in the region for a long time. Those hardline radicals who want to take control thrive on poverty and misery of the people. The single best thing we can do to ensure that the Afghan people aren't so destitute and broken that they're tempted to join these radicals, is to send civilian training and humanitarian aid.

Point Two: Though it's the "War in Afghanistan," we need to treat it like a region

That the president made a point of including Pakistan in this strategy, offering greater aid to them if the Pakistani government makes more of an effort to work and coordinate with us, is as smart as it is practical.

Everyone - myself included - has not helped when we bind the efforts in the region under the name "The War in Afghanistan." This is a regional problem, that requires a regional solution.

President Obama understands to get the support of the Pakistani people, which will make it easier to get the help we need from the Pakistani government, it takes carrots. And his plan focuses squarely on that. His support for legislation sponsored by Senators John Kerry and Richard Lugar that authorizes $1.5 billion in direct support to the Pakistani people every year over the next five years, along with another bill that creates opportunity zones in the border region will go a long way towards getting the cooperation we need to really focus in on al Qaeda, and close in on them from the Pakistani and Afghan sides of the border region.

Point Three: There is a tighter focus, open to reaching out to some of the enemy

Maybe most importantly, this president has given up the pipe dream of setting up a European-style democracy in Afghanistan, and instead has refocused our goals on a more urgent mission - protecting America and the world from terrorism.

We've finally left fantasy-land, where America can simply go somewhere, topple a government, and western-style democracies will pop up and thrive. Afghanistan is a very different beast. And, while the president committed to helping build out infrastructure for the Afghan people, and improve the lives of the Pakistani people, he's not letting dreams of a grand new western democracy get in the way of more practical and tighter goals - namely, fighting al Qaeda and taking the region away as a home base for the terror network, forever.

To do so, the president recognized something that I wrote about last week - there are elements throughout the region that are fighting us now, but could become our partners. This might have been the most striking parts of the President's speech:

"There is an uncompromising core of the Taliban. They must be met with force, and they must be defeated. But there are also those who have taken up arms because of coercion, or simply for a price. These Afghans must have the option to choose a different course. That is why we will work with local leaders, the Afghan government, and international partners to have a reconciliation process in every province. As their ranks dwindle, an enemy that has nothing to offer the Afghan people but terror and repression must be further isolated. And we will continue to support the basic human rights of all Afghans - including women and girls."

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Now, will everything go exactly according to plan? Of course not. Nor is this going to be quick. But with the points above, and the rest that the President laid out, those of us who served finally have confidence that this President gets it, and will keep us on the right course - the reasonable and practical course. That's something we veterans have been waiting for.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/obama-got-afghanistanpaki_b_179982.html
Crossposted at VetVoice.com


Others who agree that the Afghanitan war is being approached correctly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8299548&mesg_id=8299548

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8299908&mesg_id=8299908

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8299912&mesg_id=8299912

Even Rachel Maddow is holding fire: Starts at 2:22 on the substance,
rather than the veneer of the rhetoric http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 03:41 PM
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13. This plan sounds doable - it was repeated this a.m. on the
Sunday shows by Obama and his spokespeople. The alternative is to just bail out and let the Afghans figure it out?!

I am keeping my powder dry until I hear something different. None of us want another Vietnam.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:02 PM
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14. so they disagree
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 10:22 PM by bigtree
fine.

Let me know when we've defeated all of the ghosts of al-Qaeda. I know we've killed the #2 al-Qaeda leader several times over in the last seven years. Time for some more of those reports.


Military killed ‘key al Qaeda leader’ twice.

“The U.S. command in Baghdad this week ballyhooed the killing of a key al Qaeda leader but later admitted that the military had declared him dead a year ago. A military spokesman acknowledged the mistake after it was called to his attention by The Examiner. He said public affairs officers will be more careful in announcing significant kills.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/military-killed-key-al-qaeda-leader-twice/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:06 PM
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9. It is bone headed. It erodes the authority of the Pakistani government
within their borders which is a consequence whose effects we don't even know at the moment.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:54 PM
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4. the media can't be bothered by 'truths' or 'nuance'....
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:04 PM
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8. BBC quoted CBS
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:10 PM
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11. Illustrates the difference between CNN and BBC.
Show the difference between reasonable posters discussing the truth of the matter,
and those who will do what they can as a conduit to expressing planned disappointment,
that Barack Obama has not yet ended the Afghanistan war....which they have decided,
is the exact same thing as the Iraq war, although it is clearly not.

Ironically, the Bush regime attempted to meld both those wars together,
and I see that is now being done by some who would
call themselves on our side.
Now see, that is quite disappointing indeed.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:52 PM
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3. Obama Rules Out US Troops In Pakistan
Same story, pretty different conclusions. Someone is slanted.


Obama Rules Out US Troops In Pakistan

March 29, 2009 11:16 AM EST | AP


WASHINGTON — As he carries out a retooled strategy in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama says he will consult with Pakistan's leaders before pursuing terrorist hideouts in that country.

Obama said U.S. ally Pakistan needs to be more accountable, but ruled out deploying U.S. troops there. "Our plan does not change the recognition of Pakistan as a sovereign government," the president told CBS' "Face the Nation" in an interview broadcast Sunday.

The president also bemoaned the tenuous security situation in Afghanistan, saying, "Unless we get a handle on it now, we're gonna be in trouble." He made clear that his new strategy for the long war is "not going to be an open-ended commitment of infinite resources" from the United States.

In a wide-ranging interview, Obama sought to counter the notion that Afghanistan has become his war. He emphasized that it started on George W. Bush's watch.

"I think it's America's war. And it's the same war that we initiated after 9/11 as a consequence of those attacks," Obama said. "The focus over the last seven years, I think, has been lost."

Obama taped the interview Friday, the same day he launched the fresh effort to defeat al-Qaida terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan, widening a war that began after terrorists struck the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001. He set new benchmarks and ordered 4,000 more troops to the war zone as well as hundreds of civilians and increased aid. The plan does not include an exit timeline.

more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/29/obama-rules-out-us-troops_n_180456.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:54 PM
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5. Gee - I wonder which "version" the ihateobama crowd prefers?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:02 PM
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7. Textbook example right here with this thread.
It's not even subtle, as there was a decision made,
by CNN with its headline,
and poster who decided what article and headline to copy and paste.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:08 PM
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10. People who have been watching this situation know this isn't the first time
he's said that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:26 PM
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15. the ihateobama crowd? That's the same argument Bushies used to deflect criticism.
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 10:27 PM by bigtree
'they just hate the president'

pathetic (false) defense.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:16 PM
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12. But, he'll do it with push-button killing to avoid bad PR.
At least for now.

Political expediency demands that he "do something" before the inevitable withdrawal so it won't be labeled "cut and run".
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