Is Obama Telling Us Everything?

[BeFree]

Or does he feel he has to hold back a lot of what he knows?

From all accounts, it is worse than most people fear.

If Obama told us everything he knows, would it make any difference? Wouldn't it just make more enemies?

[Skittles]

1. no president could tell us everything they know

that would be foolish

[JackRiddler]

9. Actually, that would be democracy.

[scheming daemons]

67. We don't live in a Democracy

We live in a Representative Republic


Direct Democracy is bad. It leads to things like ballot initiatives and tyranny of the majority.

[JackRiddler]

68. Thanks for the civics lesson, Dr. Cato of the Institute.

Obviously a tyranny by the Spooks, of the Military Contractors, for the Bankers is so much more preferable to the Jeffersonian bogeyman of a well-educated people deciding their own fate.

[elleng]

2. Everything about what?

If he or anyone were to do that, there'd be no time for anything else. I think he tells the public as much as he can to keep us generally informed; beyond that, we have to and he expects us to trust his judgment.

Which is why we elected him, wasn't it?

[BlooInBloo]

3. He fucking better not be.

[tavalon]

6. Even before he was inaugurated, he started learning about things you have no knowledge of

So he fucking well does and you'll just have to get over your bad self. Have you never wondered what ages our Presidents at such an accelerated pace? The secrets they carry are likely more awful than we can imagine and the choices they make based on that knowledge are probably even harder.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Um, durr.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. You mean about Area 51?

True story, Obama is actually an alien from the planet Kenyan Six.

[geek tragedy]

10. You decoded his nirth bertificate? nt

[tavalon]

5. If you mean is he hiding how bad the economy is and how bad it's going to get

Heck yeah, he's not an idiot. It's a bit like yelling fire in a crowded theater, you know? We all know at some gut level that it's much worse but would you feel a bit better if Obama let on that he also knows.

[Thrill]

8. I think the situation with the auto companies is worse than he wants to say

.

[BeFree]

60. That too

Below this is a post I made last night, that got 7 recs. This morn it was folded into this thread and taken off the greatest. Seems it touched a nerve somewhere? Seems I have a few powerful who don't like the ideas of BeFree?

I don't want to think we are being conned, but Lord knows there are some cons who would think nothing of it. It's reality, deal with it.

[BeFree]

11. What If We Are Getting Conned?

What will we do?

What if Obama is in the pocket of Wall Street and the big bankers and against the working man and woman? What will happen if this is all a big con. The election and everything is just a con game to continue the big steal.

Obama to me is the last hope we have to right this country.
And I don't think we are getting conned, but it just crossed my mind.

What would we do if this is all just another con?

[Old and In the Way]

12. We're ficked

:rofl:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Well, we would all be totally fucked

and we will have to just sit at home and wait to die.

Damn.

:eyes:

[leftofthedial]

14. If we aren't being conned,

where did the trillions of dollars go?

All that's missing is the Marvin Hamlisch soundtrack.

[BeFree]

20. So

What are ya gonna do about it 'cept rant and rave? I mean, you obviously believe we're being conned, so what are you doing about it besides posting here?

[leftofthedial]

23. I'm going to Wall Street and DC and wreaking terrible financial justice on the crooks.

I'm single-handedly getting back our trillions of dollars and redistributing it absolutely fairly to each American, all while creating full employment in sustainable, green jobs spread evenly throughout a diverse, vibrant economy.

I'm also personally restoring the healthy, pre-industrial-age atmosphere of our planet, cleaning up the oceans and in a completely moral fashion reducing the Earth's human population to a sustainable 500 million.

I also will single-handedly eliminate all intolerance, injustice, foul fucking language and poor table manners. Grammatical errors? A thing of the past.

Do you have any more stupid fucking questions or can I get back to work now?

[BeFree]

27. I never did like you

Well, you, I don't know, but your persona here, I don't like. leftofthedial is a nasty little bugger.

So we see here, that while you talk and believe we are being conned, you have nothing further. All you have is your nasty ranting. Go fly a kite.

[leftofthedial]

29. in the dark?

[BeFree]

33. Near a big cliff!

Not you, but your moniker.

[leftofthedial]

38. powerlines too?

[datasuspect]

52. leftofthedial is the shiznit yo!

[mahina]

46. I always liked you,

so you're one for one.

[TBF]

58. Nah, he's one for two. I dig him too. He doesn't ask stupid questions

like some ops who shall remain nameless.

[mahina]

66. yep

so two for one.
Two balls, one strike.

[mahina]

49. Some of it went where money goes when it's lost, especially when

it was never real in the first place.

Some of it went into pockets it shouldn't have, that is for sure.

[MADem]

15. Oh boy.....a concern thread!

Well, in that case, we're fucked.

Let's all go off to the country and live in communes and wait for the world to end, then! And when it does, we'll all bend over and kiss our asses goodbye!!

:crazy:

[northofdenali]

17. Most of the neocon Repukes and whacked Libertarians,

Palin-lovers, Alaska Independence Party, NRA Lane (actual name of a street) residents, etc. up here are pretty much hunkered down in their bunkers, loading the ammunition that they're certain BHO is going to ban from the markets, stashing the Bibles they are positive are going to be confiscated........

anyone with a :tinfoilhat: want to join 'em? They're really a fun bunch - read the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner sometimes!

Actually, MADem, a commune sounds kinda good along about now. I could use some support with the garden and such! :P

[BlooInBloo]

16. Then we're screwn. Durr.

[cliffordu]

18. Screwn is what we are....

[angstlessk]

19. I know exactly what to do...I tell my husband at least twice a week how to do it..here it is...

follow my advise carefully and you will be just fine...




















go into your back yard...dig a hole..say...ten feet deep and 6 feet long and oh, about 3 feet wide...then climb in and cover yourself up...viola..no longer any reason to fear anything...see how easy that is?

[BeFree]

21. Fine what?

Fine sand in 10 years? That won't work, nope, not at all. I need you to come dig it for me. My shoulder, you see. And what about my pension? Can I take it with me? I've slaved for 30 years for that.

[anigbrowl]

22. What if he's an alien? We could get eaten!

:eyes:

There's no point in borrowing trouble.

[BeFree]

28. So

You got nothing? No idea on what you'd do..if. Ok. Scratch another one. Next!

[anigbrowl]

36. I consider the exercise a hopeless waste of time

After I've had some time to see how his policies are shaping up in practice, then I'll worry about it - and if I did think that was happening, I'd start by working through the existing democratic channels, because that's what they're there for and they work pretty well. some people on this board seem obsessed with finding something to panic about and spend waaaaay too much time looking for the political apocalypse.

[Fumesucker]

42. The existing democratic channels work pretty well?????

Perhaps you could point out the vast number of perpetrators of the huge number of outrages that have been foisted on the American public in the last thirty years who have suffered significant punishment?

[Richard Steele]

24. Worse: what if carnivorous monkeys fly out of my ass? What will we do?

Or, I should say, "What will YOU do?",
because I'll clearly be in no condition
to render assistance in such an emergency.

[BeFree]

31. Fire away

At those monkeys. Blow 'em to kingdom come!!

Then I'd try to help you get your sorry ass cleaned up.

[Richard Steele]

34. You'll have to help me FIND it before we can clean it up...

Seriously, have you seen the SIZE of the average
carnivorous flying monkey these days? They're TWICE
the size of the ones from my childhood- it's CRAZY!

Personally, I suspect that all the hormones & steriods
in the supermarket beef may be responsible.
Either that, or Mad Scientists.
I could go either way.

[BeFree]

35. In that case

You're on your own.

[Iggo]

25. What if we're NOT getting conned?

Whoa...

[Stinky The Clown]

26. From just about a year ago ........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2858399

[BeFree]

32. Ahaaa!

You see, people, it's all Stinky's fault for threads like this. Don't blame me, blame Stinky!!

[geek tragedy]

30. Then we post angry rants on DU with a loaded shotgun

by our side until the black helicopters come for us.

[BlooInBloo]

37. WHAT IF HE'S THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!!

[silverojo]

41. What if you people grow up and answer the OP's question?

He/she asked to be talked down, so instead of your infantile, smartass remarks, you should be telling this person WHY they shouldn't be worried.

[Fumesucker]

44. They can't tell him why he shouldn't be worried..

Because he damn well should.

If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention.

[tavalon]

39. Well, then I guess we'd be living in Corporate Fascism just with a kinder face on it

Wait..........................

[JackRiddler]

40. Why don't the French ever ask this question?

The Venezuelans?

Not even the friggin' Germans...

Certainly not the Koreans!

Also not the Americans - in the 1890s, in the 1930s, in the 1960s.

They join up, take to the streets in millions, and get concessions, if not everything they want, then at least steps toward:

No more plunder for bankers.

No more war.

Single-payer health care.

Trials for criminals in high places.

And on DU people apparently fear that this will associate them with right wing survival types?!

[wroberts189]

45. another good question.... nt

[wroberts189]

43. Think your post strikes at the very heart of some of the fear here. What if indeed?

It's certainly been a theme ... who does Obama work for?

He said works for all of us. Does he?

But I have yet to lose faith ...its taken some hits but its too damn soon for anyone to say.

We have to wait until there is a consensus.

Nobody knows what kind of info he is getting from his advisers or why he is making certain decisions that go against his stated positions.

There are a lot of people here who will scream "Obama hater" when someone makes a reasonable point or criticizes him.... but many do not realize how fooled one can get from the MSM headlines.

But as a supporter I think he has made mistakes and I think he would say that himself if he could. I just cannot accept he is not an honest man or a paid off man.

He admitted smoking weed... look at how they are avoiding discussion on it. He may not be against it but cannot say that. He has been ducking the question... this is the first time ever I have seen him do this.

I think all the voices here are good 'cept for a few. But the answer to your question ... its the invisible elephant at DU.

We all have no choice but to wait and see. He has already done many many good things.


knr

[TexasObserver]

47. What if we're all really living in the Matrix?

Geez, Louise, do you stay up late thinking of new things to worry about?!

The power of the powerful is always there, always influencing things in many, many ways.

The right is pissing its pants because it is certain he's the most liberal president in history, will bring about socialized medicine, will take over banking, and will end free enterprise. Meanwhile, you and others on the left speculate he's a tool of Wall Street. Both extremes are at best silly, and at worst, dangerous to themselves and others.

[Jennicut]

59. Wow, best post I have ever read here about the left and right.

The right does view him as ultra liberal. I know, I have conservative parents who talk to me about this all the time. They think he is taking over/interfering in everything. They think I'm nuts and I would be considered a more moderate liberal here.
And yes, power has been around not just in the last 8 to 25 years but since big industries were built up in the United States in the early 1900's.

[TexasObserver]

61. Thanks! I believe the objective indicators show he's left of center.

But he hugs the center and occasionally crosses it. Not sure if he does that because he feels that 100%, or if he simply knows he has to cross over on some issues.

[Jennicut]

62. He is not very definable. He reminds me somewhat of Paul Rudd

in Australia who is left of center in his country and very, very popular (over 70% approval rating).

[BigBearJohn]

48. Bend over and pass the vaseline.

[harun]

50. Revolucion en los estados unidos (that's what)

[rucky]

51. The thought has crossed most of our minds, I think.

What choice do we have but to trust 'em?

[blindpig]

53. Of course it's a con.

It's always been a con. Why should we believe that it's any different this time?

[blondeatlast]

57. I still have stuff stored from a major league Costco run in 1999.

Maybe I'll check those expiry dates; thanks!

[Profprileasn]

54. I'm Sure

there is a lot we don't know.

[datasuspect]

55. about the secrets of 11th dimension chess?

probably not much.

[old mark]

56. There is no reason he should tell us "everything".

You probably don't really want to know anyway.


mark

[JackRiddler]

63. Thank you for defining the Feudal form of sovereignty.

Our betters know better! Don't think you know better than the Haig! (As the UK Great War slogan went, if memory serves.)

[old mark]

64. Any time - glad you enjoyed it and were moved to comment. nt

[No.23]

65. Most people I know don't want to hear the unvarnished truth in their personal lives.

They'd rather hear what they want to hear.

The President is just giving them what they want.

[JackRiddler]

69. Well, that settles it, but you need to seal the deal.

To prevent any late-night conversions and temptations to demand actual truths by the neurotic masses, I think they should just make it a secret who the president is, and then we'll be safe. Phew!

(This site used to be called Democratic Underground?!)